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[Jacksper]

So I have been scouring the internet for info on the Old Gods and how they are different from dragons.  Apparently High Dragons are all female while male dragonlings grow up to be Drakes (I think they are smaller...?).  I am not claiming to know a lot about Dragons or Dragon Age for that matter, but I do wonder why the Darkspawn have to look for "Old Gods" and not just Dragons?

 

From what I've heard, the Old Gods use to reside in the Fade.  If that is true, then, doesn't that mean that they are Spirits of some kind?  My current theory is that long ago there was the Maker and he created the Fade and later the earth.  The Old Gods are either his Rivals or his Creations but unlike the other creatures of the Fade, the Demons, Spirits and whatever else.   The Old Gods had imaginations of their own, they sought worship just as the Maker did.  The Maker felt nothing but disdain for his rival/creations and cast them down into the mortal plane where they either took the form of or possessed High Dragons.  If they somehow crafted or became as High Dragons they may be male (biologically and spiritually) but if they possessed a High Dragon they are physically "female".

 

Or perhaps the Old Gods weren't ever cast out by the Maker and the Maker himself doesn't exist.  The elves had many gods of their own that don't seem to be the Old Gods themselves, and maybe this is some Elder Scrolls lore in play, the Old Gods gave up some of their strength to create the mortal world...  I just really created this topic to get other's opinions of either their own make or what they think of my theory.  Even if Bioware doesn't "Officially" put any canon on the difference between dragons and Old Gods (Or perhaps they have, if so please direct me to where I can find this info) doesn't mean that players can't come up with a generally accepted Non-official canon of their own. 

 

Please try not to be TOO critical of my idea, I don't have a proper theory just a hypothesis, made from extremely limited information that I haven't really made an effort to acquire.  And remember this is an Opinion board "We should not simply sit around and talk about why every idea won't work, 'les the Darkspawn overtake us." 

[Blazomancer]

I think the Darkspawn do so because of the neverending call of the Old Gods. The Old Gods apparently keep humming in their heads all the time which is impossible for them to resist, while a normal dragon don't appear to do anything like that. A normal high dragon would most likely roast the living daylight out of the darkspawn if they approach it, just like it would do to a human, rather than leading them to the surface to begin a blight which the Old Gods do after getting corrupted.

Whether the Old Gods call the darkspawn intentionally or the darkspawn merely happen to be on the same frequency as the signal is unclear. It wouldn't make much sense if it's unintentional though, because then why would the darkspawn feel any compulsion to seek it out at all. Then we had Corypheus in DA2 who was apparently 'an acolyte of Dumat', which gives the chantry's version of the Maker and the Golden city an ounce bit more of credibility. Even then, it might be possible that there never has been any interaction between the maker and the old gods. The old god high dragons are good at seeking out responders for their transmission though, that much is certain, first the Tevinter magisters (if we were to believe Corypheus), then the darkspawn. Why they do it is anybody's guess.

I wonder though, what happens to normal dragonlings, drakes, dragons, high dragons, wyverns if/when the darkspawn somehow manage to corrupt them. Do they become like the dragons the Warden fought in the Silverite Mines (Awakening), able to use Reaver-like abilities? Would make sense, no?, since the powers of a reaver has their source in the blood of the dragonkind.

[Jacksper]

The darkspawn get enticed by the "song" of the Old Gods. Other dragons don't do this.

 

As for all the rest.. about the Maker and Creators.. your guess as good as anyone's what an old god actually is or how they relate. Or even if the Maker and Creators exist. Until it's spelled out, you can speculate away.

Thanks for the input.  I never thought of it that way.

 

 

I think the Darkspawn do so because of the neverending call of the Old Gods. The Old Gods apparently keep humming in their heads all the time which is impossible for them to resist, while a normal dragon don't appear to do anything like that. A normal high dragon would most likely roast the living daylight out of the darkspawn if they approach it, just like it would do to a human, rather than leading them to the surface to begin a blight which the Old Gods do after getting corrupted.

Whether the Old Gods call the darkspawn intentionally or the darkspawn merely happen to be on the same frequency as the signal is unclear. It wouldn't make much sense if it's unintentional though, because then why would the darkspawn feel any compulsion to seek it out at all. Then we had Corypheus in DA2 who was apparently 'an acolyte of Dumat', which gives the chantry's version of the Maker and the Golden city an ounce bit more of credibility. Even then, it might be possible that there never has been any interaction between the maker and the old gods. The old god high dragons are good at seeking out responders for their transmission though, that much is certain, first the Tevinter magisters (if we were to believe Corypheus), then the darkspawn. Why they do it is anybody's guess.

 

I wonder though, what happens to normal dragonlings, drakes, dragons, high dragons, wyverns if/when the darkspawn somehow manage to corrupt them. Do they become like the dragons the Warden fought in the Silverite Mines (Awakening), able to use Reaver-like abilities? Would make sense, no?, since the powers of a reaver has their source in the blood of the dragonkind.

 

Another question I would ask is, if the Grey Wardens and Darkspawn already know where the Old Gods are.. Why don't they simply kill/taint them all at the same time.  The "Too many Darkspawn" thing seems a bit simplistic, as Hordes of them attack the surface during a Blight.  And the Grey Wardens could always just "turn" more humans, elves and dwarves into Grey Wardens for a grand conquest of the Deep Roads.  Sure, there are plenty of Darkspawn, but Grey Wardens seem to be superior in most cases to them, as the Darkspawn nearly defeated the surface during the First Blight but after 90 years of conquest, a small band of Grey Wardens managed to beat them and their Arch Demon nemisis, and that was without having all the knowledge that Grey Wardens would have of the Darkspawn during the Fifth Blight.

 

I guess another question I would raise is, why not finish them off while the Nations are united?  An "Exalted March" upon the deep roads, I don't see the Dwarves objecting to that sort of thing as it would most likely liberate some of their own Thaigs and eliminate the Taint that affects their reproduction.  It seems a bit illogical to leave things as they are when you could turn your gathered resources against the weakened Darkspawn after a Blight, especially since they haven't awakened their "Master General" Archdemon yet.

[Blazomancer]

^Excerpts from the book "The Calling": "I know where the Old Gods are. The Grey Wardens have always known. The problem is that they have always lain well beyond our reach, in lands we are unfamiliar with and which are full of darkspawn."

This might be the reason why the wardens don't try to find them. As for the darkspawn, it takes them centuries of digging and searching to find just one.

I'm not quite sure about the 'exalted march' thing you've mentioned. After all, it is not exactly a trivial task to sweep the entire underground areas of Thedas. A large part of them are most likely uncharted and hidden.

[Mike3207]

It shouldn't be impossible for the Wardens to help reclaim some of the lost thaigs, I think some of the Bhelen slides indicate that was done, as well as Kal-Hirok. The problem there might be that the dwarves simply don't have the manpower to reclaim all the lost thaigs.

 

Also-and I hadn't really thought of this before-it could be that close proximity to the darkspawn might have contributed to the fertility problems the dwarves seem to have. Proximity to the Taint maybe impacting their ability to have children, or something like that.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 I've been thinking a lot of this topic as well, and I've also considered them being High Dragons with some sort of magical power, being possessed by Fade spirits, or perhaps being spirits in and of themselves. Corypheus calls on Dumat for elemental magic, and Hawke can offer it a sacrifice in return for some goodies, so they clearly have some kind of supernatural power to offer (drawn from the Fade, I imagine, but who knows).

[Jacksper]

That High Dragon from DA 3: Inquisition, it came out of the Fade too I believe.  I wonder if that was an Old God of some kind too, if the Old Gods as we know them actually came out of the Fade at one point or another.

[Chronoreaper]

That High Dragon from DA 3: Inquisition, it came out of the Fade too I believe.  I wonder if that was an Old God of some kind too, if the Old Gods as we know them actually came out of the Fade at one point or another.

 

That dragon i believe is actually Flemeth if it isnt and indeed is the dream form of a old gods mind teleported from his prison underground where they sleep this might cause alot more then a Mages vs Red Templar war cause if a old god is highly active it will cause alot more harm then a corrupted one as it will tempted people into killing eachother more as they had tricked the tevinters mages about the golden city and then of course it would cause next to if not all darkspawn to rush to the surface to the released old god

[wpshearn82]

That dragon i believe is actually Flemeth if it isnt and indeed is the dream form of a old gods mind teleported from his prison underground where they sleep this might cause alot more then a Mages vs Red Templar war cause if a old god is highly active it will cause alot more harm then a corrupted one as it will tempted people into killing eachother more as they had tricked the tevinters mages about the golden city and then of course it would cause next to if not all darkspawn to rush to the surface to the released old god

 

I believe, that's the longest sentence I've ever read. Joking.. just messin' with you.