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Which groups may want the Breach or is it an accident because so many died? Spoilers allowed


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The veil was not always there.
 
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From Wiki Tears:
 
“It is theorized that the Veil tends to be weaker in places that feature, or have experienced, extensive death or use of magic.[1] What is known for sure is the use of blood magic can allow the Veil to be torn so that demons may physically pass through it into the physical world.[2] Areas that can be seen or felt where the Veil is thin are usually referred to as "tears" in the Veil, in keeping with the fabric metaphor. In fact, when the Veil itself tears it makes a sound like ripping cloth.[3]”
“The Brecilian Forest was the site of many battles, for example between the elves and humans in the ancient times, and Alamarri battling the Magisters of the Tevinter Imperium. According to the Grand Oak the bloodshed weakened the Veil beyond repair and that caused many spirits and demons to cross over. This event gave rise to sylvans among other creatures as the spirits possessed the trees in the forest.”
 
 
Take a guess who and why or was it an accident?
 


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Well if the veil was not always there then that may account for the legends of the elves.   They may have truly been immortal but when the veil was created that is when they lost their immortality. It would also have marked the time when their gods became remote.     A lot depends on whether you believe Andraste's take on events or not.

 

The veil is weak in the Brecilian Forest, on Sundermount, in the Dales, and all these are sites of major battles, so I suppose it follows that there may be other areas that we do not yet know about.   There were also tears in the Blackmarsh until we repaired them and these seem to have been caused by the blood magic of the Baroness.

 

However, I think the implication is that the latest breach in the veil is more than just the usual weakening, so not an accident, although the monumental death toll that follows may have contributed to the extent of the breach.  

 

As for who might be responsible, there could be any number of candidates but I'm assuming that is something for us to find out.   May be one of the last two old gods woke up before the darkspawn got to them and decided to restore things to the way they were before they were imprisoned.   After all, apart from all the demons, one of the main results of the tear is an increase in the number of dragons.


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I'm pretty sure it was just some random asshat like Decimus. Or group of Decimuses.. err.. Decimi? Whatever you want to call it.


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Mages will want it open they got an upgrade of power because of it.



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you mean the breach talked about as the start of the game? it supposedly happens at the temple of sacred ashes, right? where the veil may or may not be weak, we don't know.  it doesn't seem like an accident in how it's presented so far. and the latest trailer states that you, as the inquisitor, emerged from the Fade.  a veil-tear big enough to encompass an area like the temple, to the degree that you're standing in the Fade itself. . .that's big magic, i'd think. somniari? corypheus? old gods? old god baby?


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Could be just another crazy Tevinter Mage,nothing new lol,or Corypheus/Flemeth/Morrigan/Felassan.
The Breach could also be simply a distraction.
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Some theories..

 

Flemeth/Morrigan - They both talked a lot about chaos and that's what we've got in Inquisition. Yavana talked about a time before the veil in a positive light, implying the witches of the wilds may be happy to have the veil gone again. 

 

Corypheus - The timeline on the site makes a point to mention his awakening. His influence could at least explain why the wardens are an enemy faction in the trailer. He tried to get through the veil as a human, maybe he thinks there's still something to gain for the goals he had back then?

 

Fen'Harel - Influence was implied in The Masked Empire. He's always seen as a chaotic force, playing sides against each other. 

 

Forbidden Ones - I don't know what their end game is, but they keep popping up and they seem like one of the only objectively bad forces in Thedas.

 

The other guess is that it's just someone we've never heard of before, or maybe something to do with the Venatori, since we have no idea what's going on with them.


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My stakes are on Fen'Harel, possibly being the Maker in the end.



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Pretty sure the breach in the veal was part of the whole explosion that killed everyone and was in no way an accidental by product.  The chantry was moving too fast to fix the chaos that had been caused.

 

And no I don't think Fenharel or the maker had squat didly to do with it.

 

 

 

Now if you are meaning the breach that is connected to giant robots and monstrous dinosaurs look alikes, I believe the precursors are to blame for that.


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Pretty sure the breach in the veal was part of the whole explosion that killed everyone and was in no way an accidental by product.  The chantry was moving too fast to fix the chaos that had been caused.

 

 

 

 

 
I know the Templars didn't care for the Chantry anymore. You are correct the Chantry was trying to keep the peace and it makes sense they would try again.

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Well if the veil was not always there then that may account for the legends of the elves.   They may have truly been immortal but when the veil was created that is when they lost their immortality. It would also have marked the time when their gods became remote.     A lot depends on whether you believe Andraste's take on events or not.

 

 

 

I forgot about that. It makes sense. They were immortal.



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Don't forget the mountain where the sacred ashes were is jam packed with high quality lyrium, as stated by Oghren.

The breach may be an unintented consequence by the person(s) who caused explosion, but it certainly is part of the plan of whoever is pulling the strings.
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Don't forget the mountain where the sacred ashes were is jam packed with high quality lyrium, as stated by Oghren.

The breach may be an unintented consequence by the person(s) who caused explosion, but it certainly is part of the plan of whoever is pulling the strings.

 

I forgot about that good point.



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What about the Dalish elves? They could finally be striking back for loosing their homeland. 



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The Inquisitor is responsible, you were physically trapped in the fade back in ancient by a tevinter lord. The experiment was a early experiment in the lead up to the magisters assault on the black city.

Long forgotten and with time being different in the fade the PC survived looking for a way out.

But your body is too decrepit to survive in thedas. And so when you cross through you possess another being.

Unfortunately YOU made some....miss calculation on returning and instead of a small tear you could pass through the breach happened.

To further mess things up, passing into the physical realm and possessing a living body caused a whole mind meld to happen where by you have the memories of the being you possessed.

Through out the game, you will have "dreams" that are actually memories of who you once were. Until finally remembering who you were and that you did this.

And it all ties into the greater plot, which leads to an ultimate 3 pronged choice.
Siding with the mages to Repair the veil stopping countless hordes of dragons and demons from crossing, but at the cost of templars being declared illegal and Mages gaining control over major political factions. (the beings that have already crossed still remain)

A great blood spell, that banishes all magical beings outside of the room where it's triggered to be sent back into the fade (including mages) this places templars in control of major factions.

And the "neutral" route where by time and space are messed with, so that the veil breach never occurs but requires the willing sacrifice of the 9 (yeap your companions) this also banishes you back to fade as you would never have escaped. But the sacrifice makes the waring factions come together and make peace and new golden age is ushered in to thedas.

Epilogue scenes happen, credits role, morigan is giving a nice speech how great everything is. Fade to black.... Speech ends with "but peace doesn't last forever"

And we see Sten sitting on a throne in par vollen, a scroll is handed to him. He reads it, and utters something unknown in qunari......And the camera pulls out revealing more and more troops, it keeps going first 100's then 1000's then tens of thousands as we reach the docks we see them all boarding ships. It keeps going panning out revealing countless qunari ships filling the sea.
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@Tevinter Soldier

 

Awesome  :D 


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The Inquisitor is responsible, you were physically trapped in the fade back in ancient by a tevinter lord. The experiment was a early experiment in the lead up to the magisters assault on the black city.

Long forgotten and with time being different in the fade the PC survived looking for a way out.

But your body is too decrepit to survive in thedas. And so when you cross through you possess another being.

Unfortunately YOU made some....miss calculation on returning and instead of a small tear you could pass through the breach happened.

To further mess things up, passing into the physical realm and possessing a living body caused a whole mind meld to happen where by you have the memories of the being you possessed.

Through out the game, you will have "dreams" that are actually memories of who you once were. Until finally remembering who you were and that you did this.

And it all ties into the greater plot, which leads to an ultimate 3 pronged choice.
Siding with the mages to Repair the veil stopping countless hordes of dragons and demons from crossing, but at the cost of templars being declared illegal and Mages gaining control over major political factions. (the beings that have already crossed still remain)

A great blood spell, that banishes all magical beings outside of the room where it's triggered to be sent back into the fade (including mages) this places templars in control of major factions.

And the "neutral" route where by time and space are messed with, so that the veil breach never occurs but requires the willing sacrifice of the 9 (yeap your companions) this also banishes you back to fade as you would never have escaped. But the sacrifice makes the waring factions come together and make peace and new golden age is ushered in to thedas.

Epilogue scenes happen, credits role, morigan is giving a nice speech how great everything is. Fade to black.... Speech ends with "but peace doesn't last forever"

And we see Sten sitting on a throne in par vollen, a scroll is handed to him. He reads it, and utters something unknown in qunari......And the camera pulls out revealing more and more troops, it keeps going first 100's then 1000's then tens of thousands as we reach the docks we see them all boarding ships. It keeps going panning out revealing countless qunari ships filling the sea.


Latest game informer article disagrees.

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I'm guessing that Justina V and the Fiona will be killed. The Templar/Seekers pulled away from the Chantry when the Lord Seeker wrote his letter saying the Nevarran Accord was null and void. I don't know if they were there. 

 

Red Templar might be interested in having Justina V dead. I wonder if the Black Divine gains anything if Justina V is dead.



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Latest game informer article disagrees.

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What would game informer know? I spent all of 2 minutes comings with hair brained scenario. Who are you going to believe an anonymous Web poster who plucks things out of thin air or a game magazine that's had access to Bioware and DA:I
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What would game informer know? I spent all of 2 minutes comings with hair brained scenario. Who are you going to believe an anonymous Web poster who plucks things out of thin air or a game magazine that's had access to Bioware and DA:I

You're crazy.  I like it.  8P


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The only "group" I can imagine actually wanting the fade breach are the demons themselves, unless it truly is an unintended consequence of whatever the big-bad's plan was.


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The "Venatori" Tevinter cult seems like as good a suspect as any. Corypheus as well, since he survives the events of Legacy no matter what Hawke does, and still appears obsessed with the Black City.

 

However... in The Masked Empire

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The "Venatori" Tevinter cult seems like as good a suspect as any. Corypheus as well, since he survives the events of Legacy no matter what Hawke does, and still appears obsessed with the Black City.

 

However... in The Masked Empire

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Good point and on that note I could see the Big Bad as a powerful Tevinter Magister Dreamer or a Dragon Cult Dreamer. I'm leaning more towards Tevinter because of what Felassan said to Mihris.

 

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Good point and on that note I could see the Big Bad as a powerful Tevinter Magister Dreamer or a Dragon Cult Dreamer. I'm leaning more towards Tevinter because of what Felassan said to Mihris.

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An important thing to note is that the individual responsible for the timing of this event may not be the same individual responsible for the Breach itself.
So... a powerful magister could ultimately be the one who caused the Breach, but someone far more powerful and sinister has been pulling strings from beyond the Veil to insure not only that the Breach happens, but that nobody is in a position to stop it.
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An important thing to note is that the individual responsible for the timing of this event may not be the same individual responsible for the Breach itself.
So... a powerful magister could ultimately be the one who caused the Breach, but someone far more powerful and sinister has been pulling strings from beyond the Veil to insure not only that the Breach happens, but that nobody is in a position to stop it.

 

Good point. It certainly explains motive.