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[fhs33721]

The one group that wants the veil to tear is of course the demons. I don't see what any humans, elves, dwarfs, qunari or even darkspawn would gain from having hordes of demons that pose a threat to everyone invade thedas. So I assume that demons are somehow involved in the string-pulling. On the other hand this seems like an too easy answer. I guess we'll see eventually.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I think it might be a mistake to assume that no one has anything to benefit from the veil coming down. We don't understand what the veil is, why it's there, or how long it's been there. It's very likely that there could be other effects from the veil collapsing than just demons pouring into the world and it also likely wont be anything like the end of the world. 

[Former_Fiend]

I have considered the possibility that the demons pouring through is just an unfortunate side effect of whatever it is the big bad is planning. 

 

One theory my mind keeps going to is another attempt at entering the fade to gain access to the Black City, but that's pure speculation.

[Milan92]

I have considered the possibility that the demons pouring through is just an unfortunate side effect of whatever it is the big bad is planning. 

 

One theory my mind keeps going to is another attempt at entering the fade to gain access to the Black City, but that's pure speculation.

 

The big bad wants to reach the Black City in order to paint it white.

 

waht a twist.

[wcholcombe]

The "Venatori" Tevinter cult seems like as good a suspect as any. Corypheus as well, since he survives the events of Legacy no matter what Hawke does, and still appears obsessed with the Black City.

 

However... in The Masked Empire

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I thought it was pretty clear that Felassan was working for whomever causes the Breach. He's able to convince Imshael to let the party live by implying some catastrophic upcoming event.

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He didn't imply squat didly poo.  He let Ishmael read his mind.  I am fairly certain Felassan's boss is involved if not ultimately behind all this.  I don't think he is Fenharel either, unless they wish to reveal that Fenharel is just a fade spirit or something like that.

 

Good point and on that note I could see the Big Bad as a powerful Tevinter Magister Dreamer or a Dragon Cult Dreamer. I'm leaning more towards Tevinter because of what Felassan said to Mihris.

 

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Mihris-Will you take me to your clan? I don't think you want to meet my clan. Could it be because his clan had been captured and now serve as blood bank.

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I don't think Felessan even has a clan.  Seeing as how it was revealed to Briala that he isn't even Dalish

 

An important thing to note is that the individual responsible for the timing of this event may not be the same individual responsible for the Breach itself.
So... a powerful magister could ultimately be the one who caused the Breach, but someone far more powerful and sinister has been pulling strings from beyond the Veil to insure not only that the Breach happens, but that nobody is in a position to stop it.

Gaider and Laidlaw have already stated that there is someone pulling the strings to insure that people are able to respond. It has been all but stated that the last blight was part of the plot to keep people from being able to respond by weakening ferelden.  Which would imply that the architect is one of the puppets on a string.  They have stated the mage templar conflict was done to prevent the chantry from being able to respond.  When Nevarra was involved in the game they said the succession issue was part of the plan.  The Orlesian civil war is part of the plan.  It hasn't been stated, but I wouldn't be surprised if the closing events in Asunder were highly orchestrated, but we shall see.  Whomever is playing is pulling a lot of strings.  Cassandra was sent to Kirkwall by Justinia and was interegating Varric because they thought Hawke might have been involved in the plot to destablilize things, so they new someone was pulling strings, they just couldn't figure out who.

[GDog89]

my theories....

Blood mages

Dragon Cultists

The Carta/Warden Thralls/Corpheous

Old God/Darkspawn

[azarhal]

The big bad wants to reach the Black City in order to paint it white.

 

waht a twist.

 

Paint it golden, not white...

[wcholcombe]

Well if the veil was not always there then that may account for the legends of the elves.   They may have truly been immortal but when the veil was created that is when they lost their immortality. It would also have marked the time when their gods became remote.     A lot depends on whether you believe Andraste's take on events or not.

 

As for who might be responsible, there could be any number of candidates but I'm assuming that is something for us to find out.   May be one of the last two old gods woke up before the darkspawn got to them and decided to restore things to the way they were before they were imprisoned.   After all, apart from all the demons, one of the main results of the tear is an increase in the number of dragons.

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In Mask of the empire it was revealed more or less that the only elves that were immortal were the ones who could go to sleep and live off the energy of the veal.  At least from my interpretation of that section that was the impression I got.  As for more dragons, it was revealed in one of the comics that Flemeth and her daughters were the reason the dragons were coming back, I don't think the tear has anything to do with it.

[wcholcombe]

my theories....

Blood mages

Dragon Cultists

The Carta/Warden Thralls/Corpheous

Old God/Darkspawn

Corypheus can't be behind it all, he was imprisoned when a lot of the background manipulation of events took place. He may be a pawn in the scheme of everything, but there isn't anyway he could have manipulated everything.

[Cobra's_back]

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He didn't imply squat didly poo.  He let Ishmael read his mind.  I am fairly certain Felassan's boss is involved if not ultimately behind all this.  I don't think he is Fenharel either, unless they wish to reveal that Fenharel is just a fade spirit or something like that.

 

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I don't think Felessan even has a clan.  Seeing as how it was revealed to Briala that he isn't even Dalish

 

Gaider and Laidlaw have already stated that there is someone pulling the strings to insure that people are able to respond. It has been all but stated that the last blight was part of the plot to keep people from being able to respond by weakening ferelden.  Which would imply that the architect is one of the puppets on a string.  They have stated the mage templar conflict was done to prevent the chantry from being able to respond.  When Nevarra was involved in the game they said the succession issue was part of the plan.  The Orlesian civil war is part of the plan.  It hasn't been stated, but I wouldn't be surprised if the closing events in Asunder were highly orchestrated, but we shall see.  Whomever is playing is pulling a lot of strings.  Cassandra was sent to Kirkwall by Justinia and was interegating Varric because they thought Hawke might have been involved in the plot to destablilize things, so they new someone was pulling strings, they just couldn't figure out who.

 

Sounds like we have a master planner as our villain. Thanks so much.

[Thumb Fu]

I think the Tevinter have some hand in whats happened. Concidering it basically targets the Chantry, the Imperial Chantry is left unharmed, not to say the Imp Chantry has had a role in the events, but it certainly smells of Tevinter trying to unsettle things for Orlais and the rest of the South concidering the conflicts of the past there is no reason they won't flair up again and a civil war in Orlais is the perfect time for Tevinter to strike, so theres one option.

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These Coypheus theories are decent, however i would still class him as being in the Tevinter camp as he didn't realise when or where he was when first encountered. I think he if did possess one of the Wardens, his first port of call would be Tevinter not the Wardens, however with us seeing The Inquisition fighting the Wardens it certainly possible he is involved in that.

Other than Tevinter i really don't have enough information to base aother solid theory on.

Time will tell.

[Cobra's_back]

Corypheus can't be behind it all, he was imprisoned when a lot of the background manipulation of events took place. He may be a pawn in the scheme of everything, but there isn't anyway he could have manipulated everything.

 

 

What are your thought on this being someone in Tevinter? 

[KainD]

Mages will want it open they got an upgrade of power because of it.

Which is why a mage protagonist is by default going to be an idiot, sadly.

[wcholcombe]

What are your thought on this being someone in Tevinter? 

In a discussion on something or other that got onto Asunder I posted that I wouldn't be surprised if the black divine was involved. Especially with some of the irrationality that Lambert displays at times for someone who is at times extremely rational.  Lambert used to work with the black divine as a Templar in Tevinter and even assisted him in becoming black divine until he saw that he had been used and lied to.  I think it is possible that the black divine used blood magic to rewire Lamberts brain and has been using him as a plant to destabilize the chantry and such.

 

Just conjecture on my party, but we shall see.

[azarhal]

Gaider and Laidlaw have already stated that there is someone pulling the strings to insure that people are able to respond. It has been all but stated that the last blight was part of the plot to keep people from being able to respond by weakening ferelden.  Which would imply that the architect is one of the puppets on a string.  They have stated the mage templar conflict was done to prevent the chantry from being able to respond.  When Nevarra was involved in the game they said the succession issue was part of the plan.  The Orlesian civil war is part of the plan.  It hasn't been stated, but I wouldn't be surprised if the closing events in Asunder were highly orchestrated, but we shall see.  Whomever is playing is pulling a lot of strings.  Cassandra was sent to Kirkwall by Justinia and was interegating Varric because they thought Hawke might have been involved in the plot to destablilize things, so they new someone was pulling strings, they just couldn't figure out who.

 

Bolded part: The dev didn't actually say that. Nevarra succession crisis is mentioned only in World of Thedas, the dev never referenced it anywhere.

 

Also, I would add Dawn of the Seeker to the list (except that it it failed). Blood mages conspiring with a Templar makes no sense, yet it is similar to the attempt on Justinia's life in Asunder (well the kind of people involved, not how it happened).

[kukumburr]

I have considered the possibility that the demons pouring through is just an unfortunate side effect of whatever it is the big bad is planning. 

 

One theory my mind keeps going to is another attempt at entering the fade to gain access to the Black City, but that's pure speculation.

 

I don't know if this was WHY the big bad caused the breach but there are interesting parallels to the Black City thing. We know the magisters physically entered the fade by using lots of lyrium and sacrificing hundreds of people. Well, when the breach occurs we're at a location that's near a lot of lyrium and there's a sacrifice of thousands of people. It could explain why the Inquisitor is physically sent into the fade but why specifically him/her and whether or not it was intended I have no idea.

 

I'm not sure what the goal is but it seems like the villain is either a "just wants to watch the world burn" type or believes they will be able to get the demons under control at some point (unless they already can control them). I do think Dreamers might be involved, either Tevinter or elves. I think they'd be best at the "master manipulator" thing since they could influence people in their dreams.

[Cobra's_back]

In a discussion on something or other that got onto Asunder I posted that I wouldn't be surprised if the black divine was involved. Especially with some of the irrationality that Lambert displays at times for someone who is at times extremely rational.  Lambert used to work with the black divine as a Templar in Tevinter and even assisted him in becoming black divine until he saw that he had been used and lied to.  I think it is possible that the black divine used blood magic to rewire Lamberts brain and has been using him as a plant to destabilize the chantry and such.

 

Just conjecture on my party, but we shall see.

 

I could see this happening. They were friends at one time. I remember Cole said he saw something in Lambert he didn't like. We shall see. I would love too see if he is the master mind. I just can't wait to get my hands on this game to finally solve the mystery. 

[Cobra's_back]

Bolded part: The dev didn't actually say that. Nevarra succession crisis is mentioned only in World of Thedas, the dev never referenced it anywhere.

 

Also, I would add Dawn of the Seeker to the list (except that it it failed). Blood mages conspiring with a Templar makes no sense, yet it is similar to the attempt on Justinia's life in Asunder (well the kind of people involved, not how it happened).

 

Remember Justina and Wynne thought the Templar/Lord Seeker could have been behind the blood mage attack on Justina V. Also The Lord Seeker never tried to find out how the blood mage got out. You would think the seeker would want to know. Could it be they already knew because they let him out?

[myahele]

Correct me if I am wrong. But in a leak a long time ago it was said that Red Templars goal was to enter the black city.

[Cobra's_back]

Correct me if I am wrong. But in a leak a long time ago it was said that Red Templars goal was to enter the black city.

 

That is really interesting.

[KC_Prototype]

Venotari, Tevinter Magisters, Cory, Malifcarum and Demons.

[Wolfen09]

Correct me if I am wrong. But in a leak a long time ago it was said that Red Templars goal was to enter the black city.

 

so far the leak has been mostly correct, but the red templars to me would only be a group being manipulated by the puppet master whom we wont meet till 2nd to last game i bet

[Ieldra]

@Tevinter Soldier:

LOL. Awesome satire.

 

@all:

As for the matter at hand, I have a theory about the origin and the nature of the Veil (see the thread linked in my sig). There are some entities, I believe, who would profit from its destruction. As for who might be responsible, I firmly believe we haven't met them before, if only because the only known entity who might have the ability (and the stature, tbh) to manipulate things on such a grand scale is Flemeth, and I don't believe she's responsible.

 

Corypheus? Doesn't have the stature to be an antagonist of that kind.  Fen'Harel? An entity of whom only stories exist. I don't assume the existence of gods all that easily.

 

As I said elsewhere, I believe the entity responsible is the one Flemeth indirectly referred to when she said she didn't want to attract attention, when we meet her on Sundermount in DA2.

[The Ascendant]

I get the feeling our for will be a Darth Sidious type bad guy, manipulating all the sides to attain his/her goal.
"Everything that has transpired has done so according to my design!"

[Former_Fiend]

Correct me if I am wrong. But in a leak a long time ago it was said that Red Templars goal was to enter the black city.

 

That's the first I've heard about that.