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[Wolfen09]

it was a leak from 4chan, ive gone back through some places in the forum where i thought it might be posted and i cant find it

[Augustei]

Corypheus, he wants to finish what he started and get the power locked within the Golden City like Dumat promised him, what happened last time was merely a setback.

 

[Wolfen09]

http://forum.bioware...ilers/?hl= leak

 

found it, search tool is always a plus

 

like i said the stuff we do know is seemingly correct...

 

i just take it with a grain of salt though so im not disappointed if its not

[wcholcombe]

Corypheus, he wants to finish what he started and get the power locked within the Golden City like Dumat promised him, what happened last time was merely a setback.

cory has been imprisoned too long to be the person behind everything.

[wcholcombe]

so far the leak has been mostly correct, but the red templars to me would only be a group being manipulated by the puppet master whom we wont meet till 2nd to last game i bet

From dev comments about the overall plot being resolved and you defeating the big bad in DAI, we will beat the big bad in DAI.

[Cobra's_back]

If they plan on a DA4 and I hope they do, I don't want the Big Bad to be Flemeth. I don't mind her knowing about the Big Bad. She seems to know what is going to happen even when no one else does. I personally like her in the background.

 

It would work nicely if the Big Bad was the Black Divine. Flemeth knows about him and lets him play while Morrigan may actually step in to help our hero. Morrigan likes fine things and I'm sure she doesn't want the world torn Asunder.

[EmperorSahlertz]

From dev comments about the overall plot being resolved and you defeating the big bad in DAI, we will beat the big bad in DAI.

Not THE big bad of the setting, but the big bad of the game. There is a significant difference.

[Hellion Rex]

Not THE big bad of the setting, but the big bad of the game. There is a significant difference.

Indeed. That's a very important distinction.

[Wolfen09]

Not THE big bad of the setting, but the big bad of the game. There is a significant difference.

or we beat him but he manages to escape

[wcholcombe]

or we beat him but he manages to escape

They have stated that the plot line about the veal tear will be completed and we will both discover and defeat the being/entity behind the tear and all the chaos that has been enveloping thedas.

That doesn't really allow for us just defeating an underling to the big bad.

[EmperorSahlertz]

There aren't a big bad in Dragon Age. That is the whole point. The only approximation to a "big bad" we got are the Darkspawn. Of course there will be a big bad in the game, there always are an antagonist, but he won't be THE big bad. Just like Meredith or the Archdemon weren't THE big bad either.

[Yomond]

someone put the Mentos in the Urn of Sacared Ashes.

[MrMrPendragon]

Well if the veil was not always there then that may account for the legends of the elves.   They may have truly been immortal but when the veil was created that is when they lost their immortality. It would also have marked the time when their gods became remote.     A lot depends on whether you believe Andraste's take on events or not.

 

The veil is weak in the Brecilian Forest, on Sundermount, in the Dales, and all these are sites of major battles, so I suppose it follows that there may be other areas that we do not yet know about.   There were also tears in the Blackmarsh until we repaired them and these seem to have been caused by the blood magic of the Baroness.

 

However, I think the implication is that the latest breach in the veil is more than just the usual weakening, so not an accident, although the monumental death toll that follows may have contributed to the extent of the breach.  

 

As for who might be responsible, there could be any number of candidates but I'm assuming that is something for us to find out.   May be one of the last two old gods woke up before the darkspawn got to them and decided to restore things to the way they were before they were imprisoned.   After all, apart from all the demons, one of the main results of the tear is an increase in the number of dragons.

 

 

I don't think the veil is directly related to the loss of the elves' immortality.

 

The creation of the veil happened long ago, maybe even before elven civilization. Something or someone ended the rule of the Dragons, and I'm assuming this was when the Old Gods were imprisoned. That was when the Veil was created. The only thing we know about the Veil is that it separates the Fade and the mortal world. But maybe it has some other function we don't know about.

 

When the elves prospered, the veil was already there. There was already a "Fade" and "the physical realm", since they needed to enter Uthenera to enter the Fade. Plus, their gods were silent only when the Tevinter started waging war against them.

[BlazingSpeed]

Spoiler

He didn't imply squat didly poo.  He let Ishmael read his mind.  I am fairly certain Felassan's boss is involved if not ultimately behind all this.  I don't think he is Fenharel either, unless they wish to reveal that Fenharel is just a fade spirit or something like that.

 

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I don't think Felessan even has a clan.  Seeing as how it was revealed to Briala that he isn't even Dalish

 

Gaider and Laidlaw have already stated that there is someone pulling the strings to insure that people are able to respond. It has been all but stated that the last blight was part of the plot to keep people from being able to respond by weakening ferelden.  Which would imply that the architect is one of the puppets on a string.  They have stated the mage templar conflict was done to prevent the chantry from being able to respond.  When Nevarra was involved in the game they said the succession issue was part of the plan.  The Orlesian civil war is part of the plan.  It hasn't been stated, but I wouldn't be surprised if the closing events in Asunder were highly orchestrated, but we shall see.  Whomever is playing is pulling a lot of strings.  Cassandra was sent to Kirkwall by Justinia and was interegating Varric because they thought Hawke might have been involved in the plot to destablilize things, so they new someone was pulling strings, they just couldn't figure out who.

Someone as in one person (lol @ 4chan for leaking everything...)? I wonder where they are hanging out at while the blight and civil wars were/are occuring.

[wcholcombe]

I don't think the veil is directly related to the loss of the elves' immortality.

The creation of the veil happened long ago, maybe even before elven civilization. Something or someone ended the rule of the Dragons, and I'm assuming this was when the Old Gods were imprisoned. That was when the Veil was created. The only thing we know about the Veil is that it separates the Fade and the mortal world. But maybe it has some other function we don't know about.

When the elves prospered, the veil was already there. There was already a "Fade" and "the physical realm", since they needed to enter Uthenera to enter the Fade. Plus, their gods were silent only when the Tevinter started waging war against them.

The immortal elves

Spoiler

were just the dreamers who could live off fade energies. Who seemed to have an annoying talent for getting murdered by their slaves.

[Dean_the_Young]

Not THE big bad of the setting, but the big bad of the game. There is a significant difference.

 

The DA setting doesn't have a THE Big Bad. It's not a single narrative with a unifying antagonist behind everything bad and wrong in the world.

 

 

Edit for Elaboration:

 

Most of the conflicts of the DA setting are organic, not artificial in nature. While the mastermind behind DAI is behind the tear and is exploiting the divisions and weaknesses of the time, those divisions (of Mage-Templar, of Orlais Civil War, the Blight) are largely the result of independent and self-motivated actors. The problems already existed- they're just being exploited and the pre-existing flames fanned for maximum confusion and distraction.

 

 We know the Blight was started accidentally by the Architect in his attempt to prevent it. We know that the Mage-Templar conflict of DA2 was a cycle of intolerance and extremism in part kicked off by Hawke and Co... but that Hawke's actions were of their own accord, and their consequences accidental. We know that Orlesian civil war was kicked off by Gaspard because of general policy differences and faith in Celene, not because someone told or pushed him to.

 

The influence of any conspirator in these events should not be over-stated. The Blight, for example, is far more likely to be the initiator of the conspirator's plan than a product of a conspiracy. We could assign some unsubstantiated responsibility by saying the conspirator is the cause behind the Architect's awakening, but the Architect was trying to prevent a Blight, not cause it. Maybe the conspirator didn't intend that- maybe the conspirator was hoping to lay claim to the Old God's soul, similar to how Flemeth and Morrigan conspired for the Old God Baby. But the Blight, and the weakening of Ferelden, is very unlikely to have been a deliberate gambit. It just provided a good context to make its plan.

 

The Orlais Civil War is also a product of independent actors. Gaspard and Celene's conflict was of their own creation. The most likely cats-paw in that was what's-his-face and the reactivation of the Eluvian network. Seeking control of that seems to have been the goal of what's-his-face's boss: the Civil War itself could have been ended at various points by independent individuals acting in different ways. The Orlais Civil War is also likely to be an opportunity, rather than a plan.

 

The Mage-Templar conflict is the one where a long-term conspiracy is actually credible, not least because we do have conspirators at work (the rise of the Libertarians) and we have multiple indications that the rise in Mage-Templar tensions was recent. Many of those could have been engineered, especially if a conspiracy was subtly supporting more radical leaders for the Templars and Mages both. Gradually increasing tensions, and then using agent provacateurs to further inflame tensions when the time was right (such as the aftermath of a Blight). Even that required independent actors to do their thing, but a conspiracy could help set the conditions for a spark to create a blaze.

 

 

The only part that seems to be deliberatly timed and initiated, though, is the Veil tear: a decapitation strike timed at a concurance of international division and tensions, natural and otherwise.

[Rorschachinstein]

I'm willing to bet, the big bad in this game is Cory.  And it will set up Flemeth to be the big bad in another game

[Shadow Fox]

This guy:

 

[Altima Darkspells]

Don't forget the Profane. They couldn't be happy with all the Templars running around, stealing their Red Lyrium, melting their artifacts, not letting them...Profane?

On an unrelated note, if the Veil used to not exist...what if demons are dreamer elves who've been trapped in the Fade for thousands of years? Maybe enough time for themselves to deteriorate into their most basic selves...and for their one overwhelming desire to be "come home".

[Cobra's_back]

http://forum.bioware...ilers/?hl= leak

 

found it, search tool is always a plus

 

like i said the stuff we do know is seemingly correct...

 

i just take it with a grain of salt though so im not disappointed if its not

 

Nice post. Could the Red Templars have caused the explosion at the Temple?

[Iakus]

What about the Dalish elves? They could finally be striking back for loosing their homeland. 

 

Flipping through WoT, I came across an interesting detail.

 

It seems the Dalish believe that the prison Fen'Harel trapped the Creators in is actually the Black City.  Could be reason enough for one of them to want to find a way to break in: to free their gods.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Well, the recent facebook update for DA:I certainly does hint at some Elven aggression.

[AresKeith]

Well, the recent facebook update for DA:I certainly does hint at some Elven aggression.

 

Oh?

[azarhal]

Well, the recent facebook update for DA:I certainly does hint at some Elven aggression.

 

Are you talking about the reprint of the DAO Dalish Elves codex?

[EmperorSahlertz]

"Do the wild elves attack out of anger or necessity?"