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[Hellion Rex]

Well, the recent facebook update for DA:I certainly does hint at some Elven aggression.

Well, given what we see in TME...some of those Dalish are getting very desperate for what they have "lost".

[Wolfen09]

especially since briala is using those things they lost

[Mistic]

Well, the recent facebook update for DA:I certainly does hint at some Elven aggression.

 

Which facebook update?

[EmperorSahlertz]

Which facebook update?

The one I quoted earlier.

[Mistic]

"Do the wild elves attack out of anger or necessity?"

 

Were you talking about this? Do you have a link? I'm looking through facebook in case I come across something juicier, but I can't even find that quote

[EmperorSahlertz]

Were you talking about this? Do you have a link? I'm looking through facebook in case I come across something juicier, but I can't even find that quote

It was basically just this question "Do the wild elves attack out of anger or necessity?" posted along with a few pictures of Elven ruins.

[wcholcombe]

The DA setting doesn't have a THE Big Bad. It's not a single narrative with a unifying antagonist behind everything bad and wrong in the world.


Edit for Elaboration:

Most of the conflicts of the DA setting are organic, not artificial in nature. While the mastermind behind DAI is behind the tear and is exploiting the divisions and weaknesses of the time, those divisions (of Mage-Templar, of Orlais Civil War, the Blight) are largely the result of independent and self-motivated actors. The problems already existed- they're just being exploited and the pre-existing flames fanned for maximum confusion and distraction.

We know the Blight was started accidentally by the Architect in his attempt to prevent it. We know that the Mage-Templar conflict of DA2 was a cycle of intolerance and extremism in part kicked off by Hawke and Co... but that Hawke's actions were of their own accord, and their consequences accidental. We know that Orlesian civil war was kicked off by Gaspard because of general policy differences and faith in Celene, not because someone told or pushed him to.

The influence of any conspirator in these events should not be over-stated. The Blight, for example, is far more likely to be the initiator of the conspirator's plan than a product of a conspiracy. We could assign some unsubstantiated responsibility by saying the conspirator is the cause behind the Architect's awakening, but the Architect was trying to prevent a Blight, not cause it. Maybe the conspirator didn't intend that- maybe the conspirator was hoping to lay claim to the Old God's soul, similar to how Flemeth and Morrigan conspired for the Old God Baby. But the Blight, and the weakening of Ferelden, is very unlikely to have been a deliberate gambit. It just provided a good context to make its plan.

The Orlais Civil War is also a product of independent actors. Gaspard and Celene's conflict was of their own creation. The most likely cats-paw in that was what's-his-face and the reactivation of the Eluvian network. Seeking control of that seems to have been the goal of what's-his-face's boss: the Civil War itself could have been ended at various points by independent individuals acting in different ways. The Orlais Civil War is also likely to be an opportunity, rather than a plan.

The Mage-Templar conflict is the one where a long-term conspiracy is actually credible, not least because we do have conspirators at work (the rise of the Libertarians) and we have multiple indications that the rise in Mage-Templar tensions was recent. Many of those could have been engineered, especially if a conspiracy was subtly supporting more radical leaders for the Templars and Mages both. Gradually increasing tensions, and then using agent provacateurs to further inflame tensions when the time was right (such as the aftermath of a Blight). Even that required independent actors to do their thing, but a conspiracy could help set the conditions for a spark to create a blaze.


The only part that seems to be deliberatly timed and initiated, though, is the Veil tear: a decapitation strike timed at a concurance of international division and tensions, natural and otherwise.

DAI does have a big bad though. Dev comments over a year ago stated specifically that the villain in DAI was responsible for why none of the groups that typically would handle the veil tears. The mage templar issue(which Celene was already aware some external force was manipulating events in Kirkwall), the orlesian civil war, and the blight. This isn't conjecture, the devas said it.

[AresKeith]

I don't think the Blight has any connection to the big bad

[Iakus]

I don't think the Blight has any connection to the big bad

 

Depends on whether the Architect has/had any connection to who's opening these Fade rifts, I guess.

[Hellion Rex]

I don't think the Blight has any connection to the big bad

Depends. Could be an Old God at the helm, or perhaps the Architect's premature awakening of the Blight was a mere precursor to this event.

[Iakus]

Now that I think about it, doesn't Nathaniel Howe lead a Grey Warden expedition to the Primeval Thaig in DA2, if he's alive?

[Hellion Rex]

Now that I think about it, doesn't Nathaniel Howe lead a Grey Warden expedition to the Primeval Thaig in DA2, if he's alive?

Bingo. He mentions that the First Warden is highly interested in the Primeval Thaig...could explain the Warden involvement in DAI, as well as where the Red Temps might have found red lyrium underground.

[Dean_the_Young]

DAI does have a big bad though. Dev comments over a year ago stated specifically that the villain in DAI was responsible for why none of the groups that typically would handle the veil tears. The mage templar issue(which Celene was already aware some external force was manipulating events in Kirkwall), the orlesian civil war, and the blight. This isn't conjecture, the devas said it.

 

The developers said there was a big bad behind Veil Tear, not that the big bad was behind everything. They have never claimed it was behind the Blight, or the Orlesian Civil War, and we know from DA2 and Asunder that any external manipulation was at best indirect compared to the independent actors involved.

[Dean_the_Young]

Depends. Could be an Old God at the helm, or perhaps the Architect's premature awakening of the Blight was a mere precursor to this event.

 

Or it could be that the Blight created the context to make this event possible. The conspirator could easily make a plan to exploit the chaos of a blight (more of which are expected to come), without needing to be responsible for initiating the Blight.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Bingo. He mentions that the First Warden is highly interested in the Primeval Thaig...could explain the Warden involvement in DAI, as well as where the Red Temps might have found red lyrium underground.

It is not like Red Lyrium is going to be an issue to find though, considering it is bursting through to the surface.

[Dean_the_Young]

It is not like Red Lyrium is going to be an issue to find though, considering it is bursting through to the surface.

Now it is, but when did that start and what caused it?

[Hellion Rex]

Or it could be that the Blight created the context to make this event possible. The conspirator could easily make a plan to exploit the chaos of a blight (more of which are expected to come), without needing to be responsible for initiating the Blight.

Good point. It's interesting to see how different events could be connected to one another.

[Hellion Rex]

It is not like Red Lyrium is going to be an issue to find though, considering it is bursting through to the surface.

True.

 

"The Stone lives beneath Orlais".

[Iakus]

It is not like Red Lyrium is going to be an issue to find though, considering it is bursting through to the surface.

 

now, it seems, sure.

 

But before it was just the one idol.  No one seemed to have even heard of the stuff.

[Hellion Rex]

now, it seems, sure.

 

But before it was just the one idol.  No one seemed to have even heard of the stuff.

So who found more down there and brought it to the surface? We already know the Wardens were messing around down there. Were they the cause of the sprouting of lyrium on the surface, or was something else the cause.

[EmperorSahlertz]

now, it seems, sure.

 

But before it was just the one idol.  No one seemed to have even heard of the stuff.

There was a whole bunch more than just that idol. The enitre Primeval Thaig was overgrown with the stuff. I am of the belief that whatever Hawke did down there, he released the Red Lyrium from whatever was inhibiting it previously.

[Hellion Rex]

There was a whole bunch more than just that idol. The enitre Primeval Thaig was overgrown with the stuff. I am of the belief that whatever Hawke did down there, he released the Red Lyrium from whatever was inhibiting it previously.

Almost like he...broke some kind of seal when he removed the idol?

[Iakus]

There was a whole bunch more than just that idol. The enitre Primeval Thaig was overgrown with the stuff. I am of the belief that whatever Hawke did down there, he released the Red Lyrium from whatever was inhibiting it previously.

 

But the idol's the only one that reached the surface.

 

Why did it release red lyrium spores? 

[EmperorSahlertz]

Almost like he...broke some kind of seal when he removed the idol?

Maybe. The Thaig was abbandoned for a reason.

[wcholcombe]

The developers said there was a big bad behind Veil Tear, not that the big bad was behind everything. They have never claimed it was behind the Blight, or the Orlesian Civil War, and we know from DA2 and Asunder that any external manipulation was at best indirect compared to the independent actors involved.

actually the games dot come dev diary they said that there was one person behind all these events. Would link, but my work pc won't let me.  Mike Laidlaw said it.