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actually the games dot come dev diary they said that there was one person behind all these events. Would link, but my work pc won't let me.  Mike Laidlaw said it.

I remember the post youo're thinking of, and I am fairly certain you are misremembering his exact words. His emphasis was that it was no coincidence all these things were happening so close to eachother- not that one person was behind all of them.

 

We already know, via DA2 and Asunder and Masked Empire, that many of the key actors are acting independently and of their own volition.



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I remember the post youo're thinking of, and I am fairly certain you are misremembering his exact words. His emphasis was that it was no coincidence all these things were happening so close to eachother- not that one person was behind all of them.

 

We already know, via DA2 and Asunder and Masked Empire, that many of the key actors are acting independently and of their own volition.

But see that is an assumption Dean.  We don't actually see the behind the scenes events that lead up to a lot of this.

 

Asunder-It is entirely possible that Fiona or Lambert or Adrian are being manipulated into their positions without knowing it.  I have long had a theory that Lambert's extreme behavior at times is the result of the Black Divine rewiring his brain before he sent him off to the Chantry(Cole sensing a dark power emanating from him also contributes to this theory).  I also wish we knew more about how Lambert was appointed Lord Seeker, it really doesn't fit with someone like Justinia as Divine, and she was divine at least 5 years by the time of Asunder based on how long the research into the cure for tranquility had occurred.  It would have been fairly easy to play on Adrian's temper to manipulate her into killing Pharamond and Rhys himself says he thinks Adrian could have been behind the assassination attempt on the Divine.  As for Fiona, we see very little of her and she acts in a decidedly belligerent manner when that obviously was not the time or place for it.  And again, we still have no clue at all who sent the mage to kill the Divine.  That alone could have been the act of the BIg bad and the other pieces played into their hand.  Also, why is it that an order/situation that has existed for more then 900 years all of a sudden happened to go to hell at the same time lots of other problems were conveniently popping up?

 

MTE- Oh they all have their own ambitions, but who's to say that Montsimard wasn't acting on orders and fanned Gaspard into open rebellion against Celene?  It is certainly surprising that Celene is seen as one of the most popular and well like impresses in recent memory and all of a sudden Gaspard is conspiring against her. I know the Great Game and all, but I don't think that means that someone didn't manipulate Gaspard into acting. 

 

DA2-Why did the Seeker's not reign in Meredith on her abuses, especially when they were sent there before everything went to hell specifically to stop it?  Why did the hardliners of Kirkwall get into such a position of power?  Orsino just happened to be friends with a blood mage and learned blood magic?  The circle in Kirkwall just happened to be crawling with secret blood mages?  The Grand Cleric of Kirkwall continued to do nothing when by all accounts she was an intelligent woman who should have seen the writting on the wall?  Anders is able to get all the supplies he needs and even knows the magic/alchemy to blow the chantry to basically nothing?  Justinia also sent the seekers because they had learned that external forces had manipulated events in Kirkwall.

 

DAO-The Architect causes the 5th blight by chance or was he manipulated into trying to free the old god?  Howe chooses this moment to make his move? Cailain thinks its a good idea as king to stand in the front lines? It just happens to be the shortest blight in histoy-bad enough to destabilize and weaken Ferelden to the point that it has enough on its plate to not have time to worry about the Veal Tears, but not enough to truly cause long term damage anywhere?

 

Look I am not saying someone caused all this, but from the Devs comments I get the impression that someone has been manipulating a lot of events for a long time and they have done more to set the stage then simply bide their time and let things play out.

 

 His emphasis was that it was no coincidence all these things were happening so close to eachother- not that one person was behind all of them.

If it isn't a coincidence, doesn't that imply that there was an active plan behind the events that caused them to all happen in such close succession?



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But see that is an assumption Dean.  We don't actually see the behind the scenes events that lead up to a lot of this.

 

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Look I am not saying someone caused all this, but from the Devs comments I get the impression that someone has been manipulating a lot of events for a long time and they have done more to set the stage then simply bide their time and let things play out.

 

If it isn't a coincidence, doesn't that imply that there was an active plan behind the events that caused them to all happen in such close succession?

 

Indeed, many of the events encountered in the previous games and novels could be easily jump started by someone manipulating events.

 

Meredith/Loghain: You need someone to feed their paranoia.

Howe/Gaspard/others: You need someone to feed their greed.

Cailan: You need someone to feed his heroism and stupidity.

 

The only thing needed here is a master manipulator that is good at reading people and got a few agents here and there to give the proper whispers into the proper ears. The rest will just fall into places. In fact, Leliana's Song shows how bards manipulate people and events and what Marjolaine does isn't that much different than what could have happened...



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The only real manipulation of events I'm seeing is Flemeth.  She "happened" to rescue the Warden and Alistair from Ostagar, and the treaties beforehand.  And later rescued Hawke & family and sent them on that little job in Kirkwall.

 

Though if anything, she seems to be working to prevent utter disaster from befalling Thedas. 


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But see that is an assumption Dean.  We don't actually see the behind the scenes events that lead up to a lot of this.

 

Asunder-It is entirely possible that Fiona or Lambert or Adrian are being manipulated into their positions without knowing it.  I have long had a theory that Lambert's extreme behavior at times is the result of the Black Divine rewiring his brain before he sent him off to the Chantry(Cole sensing a dark power emanating from him also contributes to this theory).  I also wish we knew more about how Lambert was appointed Lord Seeker, it really doesn't fit with someone like Justinia as Divine, and she was divine at least 5 years by the time of Asunder based on how long the research into the cure for tranquility had occurred.  It would have been fairly easy to play on Adrian's temper to manipulate her into killing Pharamond and Rhys himself says he thinks Adrian could have been behind the assassination attempt on the Divine.  As for Fiona, we see very little of her and she acts in a decidedly belligerent manner when that obviously was not the time or place for it.  And again, we still have no clue at all who sent the mage to kill the Divine.  That alone could have been the act of the BIg bad and the other pieces played into their hand.  Also, why is it that an order/situation that has existed for more then 900 years all of a sudden happened to go to hell at the same time lots of other problems were conveniently popping up?

 

MTE- Oh they all have their own ambitions, but who's to say that Montsimard wasn't acting on orders and fanned Gaspard into open rebellion against Celene?  It is certainly surprising that Celene is seen as one of the most popular and well like impresses in recent memory and all of a sudden Gaspard is conspiring against her. I know the Great Game and all, but I don't think that means that someone didn't manipulate Gaspard into acting. 

 

DA2-Why did the Seeker's not reign in Meredith on her abuses, especially when they were sent there before everything went to hell specifically to stop it?  Why did the hardliners of Kirkwall get into such a position of power?  Orsino just happened to be friends with a blood mage and learned blood magic?  The circle in Kirkwall just happened to be crawling with secret blood mages?  The Grand Cleric of Kirkwall continued to do nothing when by all accounts she was an intelligent woman who should have seen the writting on the wall?  Anders is able to get all the supplies he needs and even knows the magic/alchemy to blow the chantry to basically nothing?  Justinia also sent the seekers because they had learned that external forces had manipulated events in Kirkwall.

 

DAO-The Architect causes the 5th blight by chance or was he manipulated into trying to free the old god?  Howe chooses this moment to make his move? Cailain thinks its a good idea as king to stand in the front lines? It just happens to be the shortest blight in histoy-bad enough to destabilize and weaken Ferelden to the point that it has enough on its plate to not have time to worry about the Veal Tears, but not enough to truly cause long term damage anywhere?

 

Look I am not saying someone caused all this, but from the Devs comments I get the impression that someone has been manipulating a lot of events for a long time and they have done more to set the stage then simply bide their time and let things play out.

 

 

The problem with most of what you are writing here is that it assigns a virtually omnipotent, omniscient conspiracy behind everything when such a conspiracy would begin to fall if a single actor, in a cast filled with numerous highly failable people, faltered or failed to act as predicted. It quickly becomes an unfalsifiable conspiracy when every turn of event becomes evidence of a conspiracy because, hey, how could so many of these things happen naturally?

 

Quite easily, actually.

 

People want to assign to a masterful conspiracy what others assign to God or the Devil: mundane and unrelated answers to critical events (such as, for example, Meredith not being reigned in because there was no perceived reason to until she was too powerful to reign easily) just don't satisfy the idea of a clear answer and allocated blame. Which, after all is more plausible: that the Champion had a plan behind all the events they were involved in at the right place and time, or that they really were an apostate refugee who stumbled into things?

 

A narrative is required to be plausible. History just has to happen- that fact that it is random and chaotic and frequently implausible is more of a consequence of people trying to establish order and assigning direction where there is none. No one conspired the Blight so that the red lyrium could be recovered to be given to the paranoid Knight Commander of Kirkwall over the edge so that a rogue apostate's terrorism would initiate a crackdown to launch a mage rebellion to help destabilize the regional super power and spark a peace summit at a specific location for a decapitation strike to throw the world into choas.

 

 

 

No, the conspiracy was probably a lot more simpler, resiliant, and benefited from chance. Step one: wait for a Blight to weaken some part of Thedas. Step two: use agent provacateurs to try and heighten mage-templar tensions and wait for something to go exceptionally right or wrong. Step three: kill the Chantry leadership at the most opportune moment available.

 

Resiliant conspiracies are also vague and adaptive conspiracies. They don't need to be behind everything that happens- they just set conditions so easily predictable things can happen, and then they take advantage of it. In DA2, for example, the foreign interference the Divine is investigating are a pro-independence mage fraternity. They may or may not have foreign backing: Fenris claims Tevinter. But, ultimately, they are at best a minor factor for the Annullment. Meredith's draconian policies, red lyrium insanity, and Anders-abomination were the primary causes. The instigators could only affect the first of the three, and even then it's unclear if the mages in Kirkwall needed any help for that.

 

 

 

 

If it isn't a coincidence, doesn't that imply that there was an active plan behind the events that caused them to all happen in such close succession?

 

Not at all- some events could be independent and convenient, while others are independent initiators. A lack of coincidence doesn't imply shared causation.

 

Take the Blight. The Conspirator doesn't actually need to initiate the blight: the Conspirator simply needs to be prepared to exploit the predictable consequences of a Blight when one eventually does occur. The timing isn't a coincidence, but neither is it instigated. Once it does occur, the Conspirator activates agitator networks, and over the next several years... badum. Tensions suddenly start to skyrocket, and conditions are set that an incident, deliberate or independent, starts a mage revolt. The fact that the Blight occurred in Ferelden as it did, especially being wrapped up more quietly and easier than any before it, was probably an unfortunate accident for the Conspiracy. The fact that the Blight involved the Old God Ritual... well, that had far more to do with a conspiracy than anything else, though how the Morrigan conspiracy relates to the Flemmeth conspiracy is connected to the DAI mastermind conspiracy is a big ?.

 

 

The Orlais civil war is a better example of how a conspirator can be limited but fortunate. In this case, we actually do have a prime suspect for the conspirator's proxy: Falassan. Falassan integrates himself to Celene's support network, passes on and withholds convenient information, and appears to have been directly tasked with gaining the Eluvian network passcode. The results of this are... not much. Falassan isn't necessary for the Civil War to break out. Falassan isn't the reason the Civil War will continue for some time, for maximum distractive effect. And ultimately, Falassan refuses to receive the Eluvian network passode, which was the implicit reason for his role for the mysterious Fade being.



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The only real manipulation of events I'm seeing is Flemeth.  She "happened" to rescue the Warden and Alistair from Ostagar, and the treaties beforehand.  And later rescued Hawke & family and sent them on that little job in Kirkwall.

 

Though if anything, she seems to be working to prevent utter disaster from befalling Thedas. 

Technically the first one was to prevent disaster, the second one was to cause disaster (and potentially save her own skin).



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Technically the first one was to prevent disaster, the second one was to cause disaster (and potentially save her own skin).

 

Maybe.  But the mage/templar war would have kicked off anyway.  But Hawke being in Kirkwall did bring the knowledge of red lyrium to the world.  we'll have to see how that impacts DAI to decide if that was good or bad.  Hawke discovering the Primeval Thaig might have ended up being a good thing if the Big Bad is getting red lyrium from a different source.



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Technically the first one was to prevent disaster, the second one was to cause disaster (and potentially save her own skin).

 

How is the second one to cause disaster? The Hawkes decided to go to Kirkwall before they meet her. Flemeth didn't manipulated them to go there, she only helped them to reach Gwaren and asked for the amulet delivery in exchange of her help. That is all Flemeth did, her action might have had unforeseen consequences, but her goal was to save herself, not cause chaos.

 

Also, it seems that people forget how Bertrand was looking for the Primeval Thaig. He knew it was there because someone told him (and I believe sold him a map too).



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It could be the obvious suspect. Who stands to benefit from an Orlais having to deal with a civil war, demonic invasion, Circle crisis and decimation of the Chantry leadership? Tevinter; maybe Nevarra.

The Witcher 2 did it. The mastermind behind the whole thing really was "just" the Emperor looking to soften his neighbors for an invasion.

 

Of course, one could argue that with the Qunari in the North, Tevinter stands to benefit from a strong Orlais.



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How is the second one to cause disaster? The Hawkes decided to go to Kirkwall before they meet her. Flemeth didn't manipulated them to go there, she only helped them to reach Gwaren and asked for the amulet delivery in exchange of her help. That is all Flemeth did, her action might have had unforeseen consequences, but her goal was to save herself, not cause chaos.

 

Also, it seems that people forget how Bertrand was looking for the Primeval Thaig. He knew it was there because someone told him (and I believe sold him a map too).

 

Indeed, I have considered it. And it could be that the Conspirator was behind the map... but the actual success of the expedition, the betrayal and theft of the lyrium idol by Bartrand, the selling it to Meredith and forging into a sword and subsequent crazy town trip?

 

 

One of the goals of analyzing conspiracies is to consider the goals, and not the series of events. What is the desired outcome from the action to the result?

 

If the conspirator's goals was the events of Act 3, the lyrium idol was not a particularly intelligent or sensible conspiracy gambit. It depended on a lot of variables that were beyond the control and could easily have been foiled. It could have failed if Hawke had simply not tossed the idol to Bartrand, or if Bartrand sold to someone else- like the First Warden, who was interested in the Thaig. Heck, the grand unified conspiracy would have failed had it taken Bartrand too long to gather money for the expedition.

 

On the other hand, if the goal was simply the recovery of Red Lyrium... well, a conspiracy at that level would have made sense. First, wait for a Blight- it will come eventually. Then quickly sell maps to red lyrium locations to opportunists: even if failure is high, by selling multiple maps to multiple forgotten thaigs to multiple people, if just one succeeds in bringing red lyrium to the surface then conspiracy accomplished. Buyer returns, sells goods, track down Red Lyrium as possible.

 

Of course, this makes the Meredith crazy situation an accident. Which is fine- a convenient and helpful coincidence. But an accident all the same.



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How is the second one to cause disaster? The Hawkes decided to go to Kirkwall before they meet her. Flemeth didn't manipulated them to go there, she only helped them to reach Gwaren and asked for the amulet delivery in exchange of her help. That is all Flemeth did, her action might have had unforeseen consequences, but her goal was to save herself, not cause chaos.

 

Also, it seems that people forget how Bertrand was looking for the Primeval Thaig. He knew it was there because someone told him (and I believe sold him a map too).

The Hawkes would not have made it without Flemeth, and Flemeth clearly knows what is going to happen (or at least have an inkling to future events). And in some playthroughs Flemeth is never killed by the Warden, so that whole "it was purely to save herself" doesn't quite float. ADmitedly it was a part of her plan, but not the sum of it.

 

Bertrand's expedition would have been a failure without Hawke, which Varric makes perfectly clear. They wouldn't even had had the funding to even set off on their trip in the first place without Hawke.



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The Hawkes would not have made it without Flemeth, and Flemeth clearly knows what is going to happen (or at least have an inkling to future events). And in some playthroughs Flemeth is never killed by the Warden, so that whole "it was purely to save herself" doesn't quite float. ADmitedly it was a part of her plan, but not the sum of it.

 

Bertrand's expedition would have been a failure without Hawke, which Varric makes perfectly clear. They wouldn't even had had the funding to even set off on their trip in the first place without Hawke.

 

We don't know that the Hawke's would not have made it without Flemeth, any more than Flemeth knew Hawke wouldn't sell her trinket to a merchant.

 

That Flemeth may not be killed by the Warden doesn't make it any less of a survival gambit: her actions are an insurance policy in case Morrigan does turn on her, not out of certainty that she will.



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We don't know that the Hawke's would not have made it without Flemeth, any more than Flemeth knew Hawke wouldn't sell her trinket to a merchant.

 

That Flemeth may not be killed by the Warden doesn't make it any less of a survival gambit: her actions are an insurance policy in case Morrigan does turn on her, not out of certainty that she will.

Yes. Yes we do. We see the survivng Hawkes and Aveline surrounded by numberless Darkspawn, whoi would OBVIOSULY have overwhelemed them, had Flemeth not intervened. So yes, we know for a fact that the Hawkes would ahve met with a grisly end, had it not been for Flemeth.

 

And yes, Flemeth asked Hawke to take the amulet with her as an insurance policy for her own life. But she chose Hawke SPECIFICALLY because she could rpedict what it would lead to.



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We should also consider how Meredith discovered Bartrand was in possession of such special lyrium. Therein could be how our conspirator helps increase tensions between mages and Templars.



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But she chose Hawke SPECIFICALLY because she could rpedict what it would lead to.

 

There is nothing in the game that even suggest this.

 

She choose to help them after Bethany/Carver said they were going to Kirkwall. Without that comment from the sibling, she was going to leave them to their faith because she didn't care one bit what was going to happen to them. They were of no interest to her...



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There is nothing in the game that even suggest this.

 

She choose to help them after Bethany/Carver said they were going to Kirkwall. Without that comment from the sibling, she was going to leave them to their faith because she didn't care one bit what was going to happen to them. They were of no interest to her...

"Hurdeled into the chaos you fight, and the world will shake before you". Yeah NOPE Flemeth certainly didn't see ANY potential in Hawke.



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Yes. Yes we do. We see the survivng Hawkes and Aveline surrounded by numberless Darkspawn, whoi would OBVIOSULY have overwhelemed them, had Flemeth not intervened. So yes, we know for a fact that the Hawkes would ahve met with a grisly end, had it not been for Flemeth.

 

Apologies- I assumed we were talking about Flemeth guiding the party to the port, not  Flemeth's initial intervention.

 

 

And yes, Flemeth asked Hawke to take the amulet with her as an insurance policy for her own life. But she chose Hawke SPECIFICALLY because she could rpedict what it would lead to.

 

A pity she doesn't claim that. In fact, she has a pretty relevant line about distinguishing between chance and fate.



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Yeah... That line about SHAKING THE WORLD... Not relevant at all.. Nope.. Nuh-uh...



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"Hurdeled into the chaos you fight, and the world will shake before you". Yeah NOPE Flemeth certainly didn't see ANY potential in Hawke.

 

Doesn't change the fact that she didn't give a damn about them until the sibling mentioned they were going to Kirkwall.

 

Also, I guess I'm the only person who realized that quote doesn't match the events of DA2. The world did not shake before Hawke. And technically the real chaos started post-9:37 too. I always took that quote (and another one later) to be about someone else personally (and that since my first playthrough).



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Doesn't change the fact that she didn't give a damn about them until the sibling mentioned they were going to Kirkwall.

That must be why she chose to save them in the first place. Flemeth gave enough of a damn about them to save them, and after the mention of Kirkwall, she knew what would happen. Shake the world, fate or chance, all that.

 

And yes, the line fits Hawke fine, since the world is STILL feeling the repercussions of his actions.



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Bingo. He mentions that the First Warden is highly interested in the Primeval Thaig...could explain the Warden involvement in DAI, as well as where the Red Temps might have found red lyrium underground.

 

So the Warden-Commander is corrupted, and that's why we see that other Warden breaking from the order.  Also, Wardens do have powers that other factions don't, due to their blood (and Avernus' experiments).



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That must be why she chose to save them in the first place. Flemeth gave enough of a damn about them to save them, and after the mention of Kirkwall, she knew what would happen. Shake the world, fate or chance, all that.

 

And yes, the line fits Hawke fine, since the world is STILL feeling the repercussions of his actions.

 

I really think you should fire up DA2 and play the beginning again (something I just did a few minutes ago). Flemeth only care about her backup plan with the amulet. All the rest, she didn't care.

 

Also, I'm not sure if we read the same books and played the same game(s), but I have yet to see Hawke's hand on the Orlesian civil war, the Templars breaking the Nevarran accord and the mages voting to split from the Chantry...



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I really think you should fire up DA2 and play the beginning again (something I just did a few minutes ago). Flemeth only care about her backup plan with the amulet. All the rest, she didn't care.

 

Also, I'm not sure if we read the same books and played the same game(s), but I have yet to see Hawke's hand on the Orlesian civil war, the Templars breaking the Nevarran accord and the mages voting to split from the Chantry...

Your first statement is not entirely accurate. We can agree on the fact that it is open to interpretation. I am of the conviction that after Flemeth saved them the first time, she wasn't gonna leave them there. Since she never says anything to indicate that she was. All she does is ask, "why not?" when they say she can't leave them there. I don't think a simple "why not?", outweighs the "Hurtled into the chaos you fight, and the world will shake before you" and the chance/fate lines.

 

And Hawke's action indirectly lead to the mages and Templars splitting from the the Chantry. Had Hawke never come to Kirkwall, the Gallows situation would enver have spun so far out of control, and the tension between Templars and mages would not have risen to the heights it did as a result. ergo, the world is still feeling the repercussion of Hawke's actions.



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The problem with most of what you are writing here is that it assigns a virtually omnipotent, omniscient conspiracy behind everything when such a conspiracy would begin to fall if a single actor, in a cast filled with numerous highly failable people, faltered or failed to act as predicted. It quickly becomes an unfalsifiable conspiracy when every turn of event becomes evidence of a conspiracy because, hey, how could so many of these things happen naturally?

Quite easily, actually.

People want to assign to a masterful conspiracy what others assign to God or the Devil: mundane and unrelated answers to critical events (such as, for example, Meredith not being reigned in because there was no perceived reason to until she was too powerful to reign easily) just don't satisfy the idea of a clear answer and allocated blame. Which, after all is more plausible: that the Champion had a plan behind all the events they were involved in at the right place and time, or that they really were an apostate refugee who stumbled into things?

A narrative is required to be plausible. History just has to happen- that fact that it is random and chaotic and frequently implausible is more of a consequence of people trying to establish order and assigning direction where there is none. No one conspired the Blight so that the red lyrium could be recovered to be given to the paranoid Knight Commander of Kirkwall over the edge so that a rogue apostate's terrorism would initiate a crackdown to launch a mage rebellion to help destabilize the regional super power and spark a peace summit at a specific location for a decapitation strike to throw the world into choas.



No, the conspiracy was probably a lot more simpler, resiliant, and benefited from chance. Step one: wait for a Blight to weaken some part of Thedas. Step two: use agent provacateurs to try and heighten mage-templar tensions and wait for something to go exceptionally right or wrong. Step three: kill the Chantry leadership at the most opportune moment available.

Resiliant conspiracies are also vague and adaptive conspiracies. They don't need to be behind everything that happens- they just set conditions so easily predictable things can happen, and then they take advantage of it. In DA2, for example, the foreign interference the Divine is investigating are a pro-independence mage fraternity. They may or may not have foreign backing: Fenris claims Tevinter. But, ultimately, they are at best a minor factor for the Annullment. Meredith's draconian policies, red lyrium insanity, and Anders-abomination were the primary causes. The instigators could only affect the first of the three, and even then it's unclear if the mages in Kirkwall needed any help for that.


Not at all- some events could be independent and convenient, while others are independent initiators. A lack of coincidence doesn't imply shared causation.

Take the Blight. The Conspirator doesn't actually need to initiate the blight: the Conspirator simply needs to be prepared to exploit the predictable consequences of a Blight when one eventually does occur. The timing isn't a coincidence, but neither is it instigated. Once it does occur, the Conspirator activates agitator networks, and over the next several years... badum. Tensions suddenly start to skyrocket, and conditions are set that an incident, deliberate or independent, starts a mage revolt. The fact that the Blight occurred in Ferelden as it did, especially being wrapped up more quietly and easier than any before it, was probably an unfortunate accident for the Conspiracy. The fact that the Blight involved the Old God Ritual... well, that had far more to do with a conspiracy than anything else, though how the Morrigan conspiracy relates to the Flemmeth conspiracy is connected to the DAI mastermind conspiracy is a big ?.


The Orlais civil war is a better example of how a conspirator can be limited but fortunate. In this case, we actually do have a prime suspect for the conspirator's proxy: Falassan. Falassan integrates himself to Celene's support network, passes on and withholds convenient information, and appears to have been directly tasked with gaining the Eluvian network passcode. The results of this are... not much. Falassan isn't necessary for the Civil War to break out. Falassan isn't the reason the Civil War will continue for some time, for maximum distractive effect. And ultimately, Falassan refuses to receive the Eluvian network passode, which was the implicit reason for his role for the mysterious Fade being.


I could buy all that Dean if I was a conspiracy person and prone to these ideas. However, I am about as far removed from conspiracy thinking as you can get. I take the world as I see it. The articleI for some reason cannot find currently is theonly rreason I suspect a mastermind behind the events.

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azarhal
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And Hawke's action indirectly lead to the mages and Templars splitting from the the Chantry. Had Hawke never come to Kirkwall, the Gallows situation would enver have spun so far out of control, and the tension between Templars and mages would not have risen to the heights it did as a result. ergo, the world is still feeling the repercussion of Hawke's actions.

 

I suggest you go read Asunder...