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[FlyingSquirrel]

I just recently, for the first time, finished Rannoch with the "Geth VI" taking Legion's place. (This particular Shepard just left Legion deactivated in the AI Core.) It was interesting to see the story play out with a more ambiguous geth representative working with Shepard, but there was one thing I found odd: Shepard never seems to make the connection between the VI and Legion. The VI says that it's a "reconstruction," but nobody ever asks "of what?", nor does Shepard seem to notice that it's wearing N7 armor or that it generally looks exactly like the platform they encountered on the derelict Reaper.

 

Did I just miss a dialogue choice somewhere? Even if Shepard never activated Legion, he certainly *saw* Legion on the derelict Reaper and (I think) noticed the armor right way, so it seems strange that it never comes up if you have the VI instead.

[cap and gown]

You didn't miss anything. Those things are just skipped over.

[themikefest]

The other thing is if Legion is killed during the suicide mission in ME2, Shepard at times will refer the Geth VI as Legion.

[SwobyJ]

Geth VI is a reconstruction of a 'Legion' that was pursuing Shepard, but never actually got to the Derelict Reaper to meet him.

 

So one that will want to communicate with Shepard, but not one that will 'like' or 'respect' him or organics, given the more recent circumstances with the geth.

 

A 'CloneLegion', or 'FailLegion'. There is only 'one' Legion, and he's gone

[DeinonSlayer]

When encountering the VI if Legion died in ME2, Tali reminds us on the dreadnought that Quarians practiced ancestor worship, pre-war (though most are now secular per the ME1 codex). They created VI representations of their dead; an ancestor VI archive. It's their religion.

The Geth destroyed this archive during the war (which, really, would serve no purpose but to drive the Quarians to despair), but it seems the Geth themselves carried on the practice.

"We are immortal. Our memories are archived after death." Or words to that effect.

Long story short, the VI is to Legion as an ancestor VI would have been to a pre-war Quarian. A reconstruction (though an imperfect one) of the dead.

The VI (lacking Legion's experiences on the Normandy) is a better representative of the Geth mindset over the last three centuries than Legion himself is.

[Mrs_Stick]

I did a playthrough like this not long ago. But I gave him to Cerberus (was going for evil). My Shepard mentioned that he looked like the geth I handed over. 

[cap and gown]

I did a playthrough like this not long ago. But I gave him to Cerberus (was going for evil). My Shepard mentioned that he looked like the geth I handed over. 

 

Interesting. I guess the writers figured you would either wake up him up or hand him over to Cerberus.

[themikefest]

If you don't give the Geth to Cerberus and don't wake it up, it will not appear on Chronos. I wonder what the Alliance did with the thing?

[cap and gown]

If you don't give the Geth to Cerberus and don't wake it up, it will not appear on Chronos. I wonder what the Alliance did with the thing?

 

Maybe Shepard took Jacob's advise and threw it out an airlock?

[themikefest]

Maybe Shepard took Jacob's advise and threw it out an airlock?

Who knows? I wonder what happened to Grunt if you don't open the tank?

[Mordokai]

Who knows? I wonder what happened to Grunt if you don't open the tank?

 

Self replicating, never ending noodles?

[cap and gown]

Who knows? I wonder what happened to Grunt if you don't open the tank?

 

I'll bet he's stored in the same warehouse as the ark of the covenant.

[shodiswe]

If you don't give the Geth to Cerberus and don't wake it up, it will not appear on Chronos. I wonder what the Alliance did with the thing?

Maybe a powered down Legion or Geth would survive the red pulse.... Maybe there can be a world with a Legion in it after all...

Also, in that case the Real Legion might be somewhere in all endings, and the dead one would be the VI.

However, I don't think the writers would want that to happen, or even care to bother with such details. They would throw in a twitter sayign the roof fell down during the Reaper invasion rendering the unit damaged beyond repair.

[BigglesFlysAgain]

Maybe a powered down Legion or Geth would survive the red pulse.... Maybe there can be a world with a Legion in it after all...

Also, in that case the Real Legion might be somewhere in all endings, and the dead one would be the VI.

However, I don't think the writers would want that to happen, or even care to bother with such details. They would throw in a twitter sayign the roof fell down during the Reaper invasion rendering the unit damaged beyond repair.

 

 

 

If going into sleep mode was a way of AI surviving destroy its really not a foolproof way of killing the reapers. Maybe the shells of the Geth mobile platforms, survive but any hardware or software is fried beyond repair. If you just want legions body to mount on the wall you already have it when he dies on Rannoch.

[grey_wind]

When encountering the VI if Legion died in ME2, Tali reminds us on the dreadnought that Quarians practiced ancestor worship, pre-war (though most are now secular per the ME1 codex). They created VI representations of their dead; an ancestor VI archive. It's their religion.

The Geth destroyed this archive during the war (which, really, would serve no purpose but to drive the Quarians to despair), but it seems the Geth themselves carried on the practice.

"We are immortal. Our memories are archived after death." Or words to that effect.

Long story short, the VI is to Legion as an ancestor VI would have been to a pre-war Quarian. A reconstruction (though an imperfect one) of the dead.

The VI (lacking Legion's experiences on the Normandy) is a better representative of the Geth mindset over the last three centuries than Legion himself is.

I prefer doing the Rannoch arc with the VI. Even the consensus mission actually feels like manipulation and propaganda when he's the one you're stuck with.

[DeinonSlayer]

I prefer doing the Rannoch arc with the VI. Even the consensus mission actually feels like manipulation and propaganda when he's the one you're stuck with.

It invariably feels like that to me (not that we're allowed to voice that opinion), only with more sprinkles on top.

"The minds of both forms of life can be shaped. Organics require time and effort. For synthetics, the replacement of a data file is the only requirement."

...incidentally, the above confirms Legion's stance that the Geth are already alive, versus ME3 where he says they would be alive if only they got the Reaper code.

[SwobyJ]

Legion is generally honest in his intentions imo. But he still tries to 'guide' you into seeing things from a more geth POV.

 

GethVI is primarily manipulative, and not patiently so. However, in dealing with him, it is made more clear the reality of how the geth (not just Legion and some of the consensus programs, but the geth overall) view organics and the quarians.

 

This sort of thing is later shown in the comparison between LowEMS Catalyst and HighEMS Catalyst. One is disdainful and even annoyed that it has to speak with you. It will speak in more direct language and really just get it over with. The other is diplomatic and sees potential in you. It will speak in more flowery language but also try to reach positive accord. What do you personally prefer?

 

This is even true in the Genophage Arc, when you compare Wrex+Eve+Mordin with Wreav+DyingEve+Padok. You don't need hope to get the job done, but if you try, you can have more than you know.

 

IMO one of ME3's biggest themes is 'dreams'. Do you create the nightmare closer to reality and wake up, or make beautiful dreams full of hope for the future?

 

 

"The minds of both forms of life can be shaped. Organics require time and effort. For synthetics, the replacement of a data file is the only requirement."

...incidentally, the above confirms Legion's stance that the Geth are already alive, versus ME3 where he says they would be alive if only they got the Reaper code.

 

Legion is 'tainted' by exposure to the upgrade. Everything else (geth code, organic 'code') pales in comparison by itself.