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[The dead fish]

In ideal conditions, probably. After both TME and the events of Inquisition, no.

 

Of course, I do believe Gaspard would be smart enough to abandon his plan to invade Fereldan after this rather unfortunate series of events.

 

I totally agree on both points. After TME and inquisition, I doubt that anyone on the throne will attack another country. Gaspard had his plans for Ferelden, but that was before the civil war and the chaos that will follow in inquisition. Many things will happen, many things won't be what they were.

[ladyofpayne]

I totally agree on both points. After TME and inquisition, I doubt that anyone on the throne will attack another country. Gaspard had his plans for Ferelden, but that was before the civil war and the chaos that will follow in inquisition. Many things will happen, many things won't be what they were.

And he is clever enough not do it.

[Former_Fiend]

I don't think either Ferelden or Nevarra are in a position to capitalize on Orlais weakness, at any rate. Ferelden's still crippled from the blight and Nevarra's on the brink of it's own civil war; I doubt they'd risk invading their strongest rival.

[azarhal]

Nevarra's on the brink of it's own civil war;

 

All we have is World of Thedas information about a possible succession crisis (which might turn into a civil war, but that's not a given).  That succession crisis won't happen until Markus dies and for all we know the guy still have 10+ years to live.

[Former_Fiend]

All we have is World of Thedas information about a possible succession crisis (which might turn into a civil war, but that's not a given).  That succession crisis won't happen until Markus dies and for all we know the guy still have 10+ years to live.

 

It'll happen when it's most convenient(or least convenient, depending on where you stand) for the plot.

[Mistic]

It'll happen when it's most convenient(or least convenient, depending on where you stand) for the plot.

 

True. Incredibly convenient if there's a future game set in Nevarra, don't you think so?

[metalfenix]

If I can avoid taking sides, I'll stay neutral, I have little interest on Orlais politics.

 

But If I'm forced to take sides, I'll choose the most benefical for mages

[Former_Fiend]

If I can avoid taking sides, I'll stay neutral, I have little interest on Orlais politics.

 

But If I'm forced to take sides, I'll choose the most benefical for mages

 

Neither side seems particularly interested in mage rights; conversely, neither side is particularly oppressive towards mages, either.

[mlgumm]

Celene seems the most pro-mage. I mean, she has Morrigan for an advisor, and I've heard Vivienne used to be her advisor. She's pretty into learning as much as possible and having a lot of highly educated subjects. Mages are typically very educated. I can easily see her being the most pro-mage side of the civil war.

[Aimi]

I support the Burgundians over the Armagnacs.

[Augustei]

I support the Burgundians over the Armagnacs.

Considering the Burgundian cantidate is completely insane I certainly hope so =D
Me, I support Henry and the English though. He seems like a cool guy, plus anyone related to Edward III must be awesome by association.

[Former_Fiend]

Celene seems the most pro-mage. I mean, she has Morrigan for an advisor, and I've heard Vivienne used to be her advisor. She's pretty into learning as much as possible and having a lot of highly educated subjects. Mages are typically very educated. I can easily see her being the most pro-mage side of the civil war.

 

Having advisors in your court who can keep you informed regarding the nature and danger of magic isn't, in and of itself, pro-mage. It's simply practical.

 

Likewise, Gaspard kept an apostate as one of his confidants; it wasn't that he opposed the Chantry's position on mages on an idealogical level, rather, having an apostate was useful.

 

Neither of them seem particularly keen on letting the templars tell them how to rule the nation, but that's a different animal from supporting mage rights.

[Gregolian]

I choose to support the "dog lords" as they are called.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Gaspard all the way.

 

It's likely we'll never see another ruler of Bhelen's caliber in DA again so Gaspard is my best of a bad situation.

[Hellion Rex]

Gaspard all the way.

 

It's likely we'll never see another ruler of Bhelen's caliber in DA again so Gaspard is my best of a bad situation.

Not gonna lie, I'm probably gonna play ball with Gaspard. I loved his sense of honor in the novel, and he was a total badass.

[Cobra's_back]

I choose to support the "dog lords" as they are called.

Me too. I love Ferelden.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Not gonna lie, I'm probably gonna play ball with Gaspard. I loved his sense of honor in the novel, and he was a total badass.

I'm going to play ball with Gaspard as well. Well, his head at least. 

[Gregolian]

My opinion of Gaspard honestly kinda irked me at first cause he appeared to me like an Orlesian version of Loghain that is stuck in the past but with how he handled the old veteran soldier my opinion changed.

 

I still think his opinions on people like those in Fereldan and the elves could have some work though.

[Arcanis]

Dammit, I wrote a replay and accidentally changed the page and thus lost it T-T

 

My opinion of Gaspard honestly kinda irked me at first cause he appeared to me like an Orlesian version of Loghain that is stuck in the past but with how he handled the old veteran soldier my opinion changed.

 

I still think his opinions on people like those in Fereldan and the elves could have some work though.

 

The short version of my original answer ^^:

Since Ferelden thinks rather similiar towards Orlais, I find it rather hard to blame him for his dislike of Ferelden.

True, he is an expansionist, but I still believe Ferelden has such people too and is just too weak to conquer Orlais, so..

way too similar to only blame Gaspard. And personally.. I think Ferelden IS a bit barbaric (and dog-loving) but on the other way,

Orlais seems to be rather decadent.. so kinda hard to prefer one or the other ^^

 

His oppinion about the elves is kinda hard to see imho. Based on his reaction to Michels heritage and the feeling I got during

the book I wouldn't say he has anything against elves in particular. It would be easier to see if the elves were middle-class and

not the poorest, since I think a lot of the bad treatment city elves get comes from being the bottom of society - and being there

is even worse in this setting then it is in our world. Sure there is racism in Thedas, but I'm not really sure it is just that, since

the dwarves seem to get along with the humans surprisingly well.

 

...Why have the Tevinter magister lords attacked only Arlathan? The Lyrium of the Deep Roads should be a tempting target for

a mage-centric power, but we have never read anything about a Human-Dwarven war ANYWHERE oO

I wonder if there is something about the war against the Elvhen that we do't know about. *just thought of that*

[Former_Fiend]

So I'm musing on something;

 

I'm a huge Loghain fan. He's my favorite dragon age character, period. Outside of Ostagar, where I believe his retreat was the most strategically sound maneuver he could have made, I don't try and excuse his actions; especially not selling the elves into slavery. A lot of what he does is inexcusable. And I don't pass the buck over to Howle, I hold Loghain accountable. But I still love the guy. I find him to be the most compelling character Bioware's ever produced.

 

And I was wondering why it is that I like Loghain so much and yet detest Celene and Gaspard. And I think it ultimately comes down to this; it may just be Simon Templeman's excellent voice work, but when Loghain says that what he did, he did for Ferelden, I believe him. When he says he did what he thought he had to do, he's convincing. It may just be that it's words on a page, but neither Celene nor Gaspard have that. Their claims ring hollow to me.

[BlazingSpeed]

I'm not going to help anyone win the civil war.

 

Whichever side is smart enough to lend their support to the Inquisition, I'll help them survive the breaches. But I won't lift a finger against their mortal enemies.

 

I'm tired of this chain of deals, quid pro quo crap. I'm not asking for these people's help; I'm giving them the opportunity to help me save the world. And if they want to act like they're in a position to make demands, I'll leave them for the demons until they come begging to help me.

I hope that Bioware finally does allow the player to go neutral in this installment 

[Cobra's_back]

So I'm musing on something;

 

I'm a huge Loghain fan. He's my favorite dragon age character, period. Outside of Ostagar, where I believe his retreat was the most strategically sound maneuver he could have made, I don't try and excuse his actions; especially not selling the elves into slavery. A lot of what he does is inexcusable. And I don't pass the buck over to Howle, I hold Loghain accountable. But I still love the guy. I find him to be the most compelling character Bioware's ever produced.

 

And I was wondering why it is that I like Loghain so much and yet detest Celene and Gaspard. And I think it ultimately comes down to this; it may just be Simon Templeman's excellent voice work, but when Loghain says that what he did, he did for Ferelden, I believe him. When he says he did what he thought he had to do, he's convincing. It may just be that it's words on a page, but neither Celene nor Gaspard have that. Their claims ring hollow to me.

 

Could it be that you like a person of substance and not fluff or appearance?

 

 

Loghain didn't play the game. He meant what he said. He also promoted a person for their abilities and not their family name.