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[Chari]

I know that it is very unlikely we will have answers to these questions, but I am really interested in Adaar's parents. How they met, why, when. Dwarves, elves, humans - they are common, it is easy for them to create families. Ex-qunari, though?

While seeing a vashoth or tal-vashoth is not impossible or even truly rare in Thedas... I'm quite surprised our Inquisitor was born ourside of Par Vollen. 

Male tal-vashoths, who fled from qun, are not rare for one simple reason: as warriors who often travels outside due to missions, they have more chances of escaping. 

Women, though? Since women seem to be rulling the society inside (at least, at first glance), they rarely leave the qunari lands. 

But Adaar's mother did. Who she was? A warrior for some reason? A priest or a blacksmith who somehow got away from Qun? How did she escape? Was she on a trip during which she could escape?

Or maybe she was born in a vashoth settlement. Then how did they get enough resources to create one without attracting too much attention from humans? 

What do you think? Headcanons aside, what canon lore-friendly explanation can possibly exist?

[Milan92]

I'm forseeing an invisible Spacer-Shepard-Mom 2.0 coming.

[wcholcombe]

Some Kossith just don't take to the Qun.  In WoT the writer talks about encountering a whole village of Vashoth.  In the comics there is a vashoth mercenary with at the prison.  Some people just refuse their culture.

[Chari]

Some Kossith just don't take to the Qun.  In WoT the writer talks about encountering a whole village of Vashoth.  In the comics there is a vashoth mercenary with at the prison.  Some people just refuse their culture.

Yeah, I know. But the thing is - running from the Qun is not easy. They watch their people, track down traitors and tal-vashoths.

For women and children fleeing from the qunari society is even harder - simply because they are commonly located in the qunari lands and do not leave it very often.

So, somehow a group big enough to make a village managed to escape and even start a new life, among Thedas cultures who despise qunari...

Hmm, maybe in Rivain it is more common, since it is probably easier to escape from a city to city, rather than from an island to a continent

[mikeymoonshine]

Why do you think it's unlikely we will get answers? I am sure they will explore our back stories to some extent. 

 

Well yeah if she is ex Qunari then you are right, women are rarer but both Tallis and Rasaan were outside of Par-Vollen. She could have been a Ben-Hassrath or a Priest or just some other Qunari who for some reason was sent on a mission to Thedas and decided to leave the Qun. 

 

Don't the military need to bring other people with them (like smiths) anyway?  Or maybe she just escaped, who knows. 

[Sifr]

I don't know why, but I can't shake the image of Adaar's mother being a wizened old Qunari mage with horns nearly completely hidden by silver hair, bent double with age putting her at eye level with most humans, yet her crone-like appearance belies the fact she's actually a cool old lady who's as cheeky as sin. Don't know why I think that, but that's just what popped into my head immediately when thinking of the Qunquistor's parents.

 

But headcanon's aside, I imagine their parents (or even grandparents for that matter) simply didn't like their role in the Qun and left. If they were a mage that would definitely give them a reason, but they could have easily been the guys who's role was that of a Qunari toilet attendant? Actually, that last one would probably have given them even more reason to want to head for the borders...

 

[The Ascendant]

I am of a mind that we may encounter a Malcolm Hawks and Leandra type situation. Our father was a soldier (warrior/rogue/mage) depending on what class we choose fell in love with our mother a priest. They fled the Qun where they settled in Orlais, your father working as a mercenary to provide for the family. He taught you how to fight while your mom taught you about the Qun so you wouldbe able to fool any Ben Hassrath or the spies the Qunari have throughout Thedas. Like your father you yourself become a mercenary to make a living and you are hired to accompany your employer to the peace talks. That's my theory.

[Chari]

I am of a mind that we may encounter a Malcolm Hawks and Leandra type situation. Our father was a soldier (warrior/rogue/mage) depending on what class we choose fell in love with our mother a priest. They fled the Qun where they settled in Orlais, your father working as a mercenary to provide for the family. He taught you how to fight while your mom taught you about the Qun so you wouldbe able to fool any Ben Hassrath or the spies the Qunari have throughout Thedas. Like your father you yourself become a mercenary to make a living and you are hired to accompany your employer to the peace talks. That's my theory.

That actually makes a lot of sense. Hmm, very plausible

[Black Jimmy]

Maybe she was a Tallis. Or something along those lines and thus already working outside Qunari lands, and just decided to stop reporting in.

[Giggles_Manically]

Maybe you were from that town that is left in Rivian and your mother up and left for some reason.

 

Probably wont learn to avoid ruining someones headcanon. 

[Mistic]

I am of a mind that we may encounter a Malcolm Hawks and Leandra type situation. Our father was a soldier (warrior/rogue/mage) depending on what class we choose fell in love with our mother a priest. They fled the Qun where they settled in Orlais, your father working as a mercenary to provide for the family. He taught you how to fight while your mom taught you about the Qun so you wouldbe able to fool any Ben Hassrath or the spies the Qunari have throughout Thedas. Like your father you yourself become a mercenary to make a living and you are hired to accompany your employer to the peace talks. That's my theory.

 

That sounds very sensible, actually. It doesn't need any grand plan and I like that the Qunari Inquisitor in that scenario would be just a normal guy or gal struggling to get by.

 

However, what happens if the Qunari Inquisitor is a mage?

[Arachlia]

That sounds very sensible, actually. It doesn't need any grand plan and I like that the Qunari Inquisitor in that scenario would be just a normal guy or gal struggling to get by.

 

However, what happens if the Qunari Inquisitor is a mage?

Qunari Inquisitor's parents get some random apostate to teach the kid, possibly? Maybe another mercenary?

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

That sounds very sensible, actually. It doesn't need any grand plan and I like that the Qunari Inquisitor in that scenario would be just a normal guy or gal struggling to get by.

 

However, what happens if the Qunari Inquisitor is a mage?

 

Then you're a merc who can set your employer's enemies on fire? 

 

 

Seriously, though, it does make me wonder how the Templars/Chantry would react to a vashoth mage. I really doubt they'd have brought them in to the Circles. Of course, that's a rather moot point at the moment. Maybe a mage qunquisitor just hides it?

[erilben]

you don't see female quanari in DAO or DA2 because there was no model for them. half the saarebas should probably be female, but they were all male in DA2. also with that some jobs that only women can do, it wouldn't make sense women wouldn't leave Seheron. In the comics, there's a female Qunari on a dreadnought outside of Seheron.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

I am of a mind that we may encounter a Malcolm Hawks and Leandra type situation. Our father was a soldier (warrior/rogue/mage) depending on what class we choose fell in love with our mother a priest. They fled the Qun where they settled in Orlais, your father working as a mercenary to provide for the family. He taught you how to fight while your mom taught you about the Qun so you wouldbe able to fool any Ben Hassrath or the spies the Qunari have throughout Thedas. Like your father you yourself become a mercenary to make a living and you are hired to accompany your employer to the peace talks. That's my theory.

 

That's my theory, too. Only way I can plausibly see a qunari being at a meeting of all of southern Thedas' big players is as either a bodyguard or a prisoner. 

 

How a qunari manages to come out of the Fade with new special snowflake powers and Cassandra doesn't kill him/er on sight, that's more puzzling to me.

[SurelyForth]

That's my theory, too. Only way I can plausibly see a qunari being at a meeting of all of southern Thedas' big players is as either a bodyguard or a prisoner. 

 

How a qunari manages to come out of the Fade with new special snowflake powers and Cassandra doesn't kill him/er on sight, that's more puzzling to me.

 

Cassandra's not an idiot, and is well aware of the sometimes implausible stories of Hawke and the Warden- given the situation, killing the Inquisitor might be just as terrible an idea as letting her live, so taking her prisoner is probably the least risky of all options. 

[MisanthropePrime]

Where exactly has it been specified that the playable QunQuisitor had both of its parents outside of the Qun? I hear a lot of people saying that, but no source.

 

One thing to consider is that we've only seen areas relatively far away from the Qunari's sphere of influence in the Marches and Ferelden, wherein the only Qunari we'd really encounter are military and thus overwhelmingly male. Closer to Seheron or Par Vollen, we might see more areas where there are female defectors from the Qun for one reason or another, and the PC could have been born there.

[Chari]

you don't see female quanari in DAO or DA2 because there was no model for them. half the saarebas should probably be female, but they were all male in DA2. also with that some jobs that only women can do, it wouldn't make sense women wouldn't leave Seheron. In the comics, there's a female Qunari on a dreadnought outside of Seheron.

Women do not go to the army. Army is a branch of the trio which is responsible for interaction with the outside world. Smiths and even priests often stay at home or in recently conquered lands, but neither Fereldan or Orlais is one. Some must have went with Arishok mission but they all drowned.
Isabella's ship crossed territory near Seheron to which Alistair & co were transported. Rasaan was there because it was qunari land.
So, still, it is not a surprise that female qunari are rare in non-qunari parts of Thedas - it is hard to escape. I dont count spies since I doubt they would train a kossith for it - too noticable. More likely an elf or a dwarf or a human...
That's why I wonder what is Adaar's mother story

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Where exactly has it been specified that the playable QunQuisitor had both of its parents outside of the Qun? I hear a lot of people saying that, but no source.

 

One thing to consider is that we've only seen areas relatively far away from the Qunari's sphere of influence in the Marches and Ferelden, wherein the only Qunari we'd really encounter are military and thus overwhelmingly male. Closer to Seheron or Par Vollen, we might see more areas where there are female defectors from the Qun for one reason or another, and the PC could have been born there.

You're a Vashoth who has never been exposed to the Qun, thus you were born away from it meaning your parents left it before you were born.

[MisanthropePrime]

You're a Vashoth who has never been exposed to the Qun, thus you were born away from it meaning your parents left it before you were born.

And do you have a source for that statement?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

And do you have a source for that statement?

From the wiki: 

• Qunari Inquisitor is a Vashoth, a Qunari who was never introduced to the Qun.

 

From Gaider: Mary tells me that the PC would technically just be Vashoth. Either way, it's a distinction that's only going to be relevant to the Qunari themselves. Everyone else will simply say "Qunari", no matter where you were born. 

 

So we know we are a Vashoth never exposed to the Qun. The rest of my post is simple logic since babies are taken from mothers in the Qun.  

[Chari]

And do you have a source for that statement?

Twittah, tumblah. It is already known by many

[MisanthropePrime]

From the wiki: 

• Qunari Inquisitor is a Vashoth, a Qunari who was never introduced to the Qun.

 

From Gaider: Mary tells me that the PC would technically just be Vashoth. Either way, it's a distinction that's only going to be relevant to the Qunari themselves. Everyone else will simply say "Qunari", no matter where you were born. 

 

So we know we are a Vashoth never exposed to the Qun. The rest of my post is simple logic since babies are taken from mothers in the Qun.  

Vashoth, to my knowledge, does not mean "never introduced to the Qun". It simply means that they don't exist within it for one reason or another.

 

Vashoth is to Tal-Vashoth as agnostic is to atheist, is my understanding. Can you provide a source that a Vashoth is specifically ignorant of the Qun?

[Chari]

Vashoth, to my knowledge, does not mean "never introduced to the Qun". It simply means that they don't exist within it for one reason or another.

Vashoth is to Tal-Vashoth as agnostic is to atheist, is my understanding. Can you provide a source that a Vashoth is specifically ignorant of the Qun?

Ugh, really?
Vashoth are ones who either have never been in Qun or do not fight it
Talvashoth are those who fight against Qun
Once again, our inquisitor was never a true qunari. It would be too difficult to introduce a PC with such values

[Ammonite]

Women do not go to the army. Army is a branch of the trio which is responsible for interaction with the outside world. Smiths and even priests often stay at home or in recently conquered lands, but neither Fereldan or Orlais is one. 

 

What if the female in question is a mage though? Is she chained up deep in Qunari lands, or do they use her - as they do male mages - in the outside world with "magemaster" (arvaarad?) for military purposes?