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Suddenly, I wonder... Vashoth!Inquisitor's mother?..


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From Gaider, "Mary tells me that the PC would technically just be Vashoth. Either way, it's a distinction that's only going to be relevant to the Qunari themselves. Everyone else will simply say "Qunari", no matter where you were born."

 

Strange, I heard from the devs that PC was going to be a Tal-Vashoth. But hey, I don't really care, perhaps your quote is a correction of what was said earlier. 



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Strange, I heard from the devs that PC was going to be a Tal-Vashoth. But hey, I don't really care, perhaps your quote is a correction of what was said earlier. 

Gaider in the post of his prior to the linked one said Tal-Vashoth, hence the "Mary tells me that the PC would technically just be Vashoth." part.


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Exactly, Qunari women never serve in the Antaam alongside their male kinsmen. They can however become spies and assassins, since that falls under the jurisdiction of the priesthood, so nearly all Qunari women (or female converts to the Qun such as Tallis) that we see outside of Par Vollen are members of the Ben-Hassrath. Further unlike the military, the priesthood is not exlusive only to one gender, but open to both men and women, so you can have male members of the Ben-Hassrath. If Hawke joined the Qun for instance, both genders could be assigned this role, something which is implied a few times by Qunari characters in DA2.

However, I disagree that their were females with the Arishok, since that's essentially two branches at work. He's the leader of the military, so he's got no responsibility towards any member of the Ben-Hassrath, nor any reason to have them aboard his ship. It's possible that they did go along and he simply didn't bother to save any of them from drowning (since it's not his role, so not his problem), but if some of the men in the Qunari compound are Ben-Hassrath who went along, why they didn't save any of their female comrades? It therefore makes more sense that it was solely a military operation.


Didn't the above poster already provide an official source straight from the developers own mouth (you can't get any more Word of God than Gaider), where he posted that he asked Mary Kirby about it and she gave the definition of Vashoth as being a "Qunari born outside the Qun."

I know all of this already.

Women are blacksmiths, they make clothes, armour. All smiths who accompanied Arishok drowned prior to DA2.
Save them? In a storm? How?

Kossith-race spies are rare due to a pretty simple reason: they are too noticeable. So qunari spies, even female, are likely to be of other races. It's not impossible for benhassrath to go to bas lands, but likely they would send elf or human ones.
So my point stands, it is interesting to know how Adaar's mother managed to escape. I think it is most likely she was from Rivain - it's much easier to escape there
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So my point stands, it is interesting to know how Adaar's mother managed to escape. I think it is most likely she was from Rivain - it's much easier to escape there

or She was a Saarebas, who are taken on military missions occationly and happened to be a lone survivor of an attack. So she's found by a kind soul, they UNSOW her mouth and walks Thedas until she meats a Qunari Merc and bow china bow wow.

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or She was a Saarebas, who are taken on military missions occationly and happened to be a lone survivor of an attack. So she's found by a kind soul, they UNSOW her mouth and walks Thedas until she meats a Qunari Merc and bow china bow wow.

Saarebas are trained in a way due to which they definitely can't function on their own
And talvashoth treat them no better than qunari, so that would be sad

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Saarebas are trained in a way due to which they definitely can't function on their own
And talvashoth treat them no better than qunari, so that would be sad

It would be an easy way to explain the QunQuisitor's magic if present
How many Tal-Vashoth Saarebas did we see in DA2, two or three tops. So I have no idea how Vashoth or Tal-Vashoth treat the Saarebas, but there are not a lot of ways it could be worse than in the Qun.

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It would be an easy way to explain the QunQuisitor's magic if present
How many Tal-Vashoth Saarebas did we see in DA2, two or three tops. So I have no idea how Vashoth or Tal-Vashoth treat the Saarebas, but there are not a lot of ways it could be worse than in the Qun.

According to Mary Kirby they still keep them at leash and do not trust much

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Quite frankly, I don't care who the parents were or how they escaped. They threw their old lives away and created a new one. The rest I'd like to be left to the player's imagination.



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Your mother was a city elf.

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Quite frankly, I don't care who the parents were or how they escaped. They threw their old lives away and created a new one. The rest I'd like to be left to the player's imagination.

That's probably the way it's going to go and largely the way I've pictured it so far.



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My headcannon is that his parents fell in love (a big no-no) and his mother got pregnant. His father died fighting to give them a chance to escape.


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It would be an easy way to explain the QunQuisitor's magic if present
How many Tal-Vashoth Saarebas did we see in DA2, two or three tops. So I have no idea how Vashoth or Tal-Vashoth treat the Saarebas, but there are not a lot of ways it could be worse than in the Qun.

 

You don't need mage parents to have mage children. 



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My head cannon is mage qunari is complicated but basically:

Parents were from seheron they fell in love but managed to keep it a secret, by virtue of being on the qunari "frontier" if you will.

Once the mother became pregnant they fled the Qun and the father joined the fog warriors so that they would help hide the child.

Once the child was born and both mother and child were healthy enough to travel they attempted to flee seheron, but doggedly pursued the ship was lost just off the tevinter coast.

There a passing magister passed upon the survivers where instinct and strange tevinter magic revealed the child was a mage, which she took in.

There may head cannon splits as sometimes the magister is benevolent some times a complete ****** and sometimes inbetween. But essentially in my head cannon is you were raised as a metaphorical **** you to the qunari by the Magister who belonged to a once powerful house that was located in seheron, having lost everything stature wealth influence she see's raising and training a Saarebas as undermining the Qun in own small way (but in her mind it's somehow a very big deal that's going to cause problems for the Qun)
Hence she bequeaths the name Saarehoth to you.

It probably will never work as I dont think dev's are interested in seeing tevinter as anything other then an overt statement on the morality of mages being locked up, but it's mine for now. (and yes that's the short version, I have entire conversations rattling around in my head)
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Vashoth doesn't mean they were never part of the Qun, just that they don't choose to outright oppose it like the Tal'Vashoth I thought?
So its likely his parents were Qunari back in Par Vollen/Seheron..Maybe the Vashoth Inquisitor was.. That or their parents abandoned the Qun together and were from Par Vollen / Seheron.



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As has been stated in this thread, Gaider confirmed from Kirby Technical we are Vashoth, that grew up outside the Qun.

Make of that what you will but it's from the dev's, if you are a Qunari as in the species that doesn't follow the Qun then you are (technical) Vashoth wether you were ever an actual qunari or not.

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I'm pretty sure both Genetivi's codex entries and possibly WoT describe Vashoth as someone who left the Qun but hasn't turned to violence.



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Strange, I heard from the devs that PC was going to be a Tal-Vashoth. But hey, I don't really care, perhaps your quote is a correction of what was said earlier.


It's good to remember that the developers aren't all lore junkies who obsess about the meaning of each word they invented.

David has remarked that he sometimes looks things up on the fan wiki (or he did before they got their internal wiki sorted out) because he couldn't remember something. And David helped to create much of the setting. If Cameron or Mike use a word during an interview, it's possible they're not using the term correctly.

Vashoth doesn't mean they were never part of the Qun, just that they don't choose to outright oppose it like the Tal'Vashoth I thought?


Yes, but I think people are misreading that quote.

It's not saying you are a Vashoth and that all Vashoth are born outside the Qun. It's saying you're a Vashoth because you were born outside the Qun.

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Vashoth doesn't mean they were never part of the Qun, just that they don't choose to outright oppose it like the Tal'Vashoth I thought?
So its likely his parents were Qunari back in Par Vollen/Seheron..Maybe the Vashoth Inquisitor was.. That or their parents abandoned the Qun together and were from Par Vollen / Seheron.

 

Yeah, this has gotten a bit confused. I think Vashoth is someone who left the Qun but those who violently oppose the Qun call themselves Tal-Vashoth.  

 

I think qunquizzy is considered Vashoth because they are of the qunari race so the Qunari would view them as a part of their culture to some extent and not merely bas. 

 

We have to remember that this is all just how the Qunari view our character, it really doesn't need to matter to the Inquisitor and it won't to anyone who isn't Qunari. 



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Maybe she was a miner and she told them "hey you know what has great gold veins? Somewhere far away. Send me there" and then ran as fast as she could.


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Why does everyone assume the father was in love with the mother? Maybe the Qunari Inquisitor's mother became pregnant the same way every other qun folowing qunari woman becomes pregnant and decided to flee because she didn't want her baby to be taken from her.

 
It is also possible that neither of the parents were responsible for the qunquisitor leaving. Perhaps the trevinters had a spy sent there to kill the young qunari before they could become a threat. However for whatever reason the spy cannot bring themselves to kill this particular baby (convienient I know but it's just a theory). The trevinter spy takes the baby back to the mainland. The spy then may have traveled until s/he found a suitable family for the child. 
 
Because why not? Anything could have happen right? 
(This is my first post, please don't rip my head off)
 
 

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I've being going over what little we know of the Qun and I find that it has some similarities to the Imperial Truth advocated by the Emperor of Mankind in Warhammer 40K.
1) Both believe there are no gods
2) Science and logic are advocated
3) Psykers/Mages are treated with suspicion and barely tolerated
4) They both determine that only under their rule can the world/galaxy be brought to order
5) They are both xenophobic and view all other cultures as inferior
6) The use of eugenics to create superior soldiers is heavily used
7) Everyone has a place
Just my opinion. See the Warhammer 40K wiki if you are interested in the lore.

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Why does everyone assume the father was in love with the mother? Maybe the Qunari Inquisitor's mother became pregnant the same way every other qun folowing qunari woman becomes pregnant and decided to flee because she didn't want her baby to be taken from her.

 
It is also possible that neither of the parents were responsible for the qunquisitor leaving. Perhaps the trevinters had a spy sent there to kill the young qunari before they could become a threat. However for whatever reason the spy cannot bring themselves to kill this particular baby (convienient I know but it's just a theory). The trevinter spy takes the baby back to the mainland. The spy then may have traveled until s/he found a suitable family for the child. 
 
Because why not? Anything could have happen right? 
(This is my first post, please don't rip my head off)

 

 

Welcome to the forums! :D

 

You're right, it seems strange that everyone is going with the starcrossed lovers and forbidden romance thing? :huh:

 

As I said several pages back, it could just have easily been the Qunquisitor's grandparents or even great-grandparents who left the Qun (the Qunari have been in Thedas for quite some time), for reasons as minor as not liking their role. If you were stuck being a road-sweeper, chimney sweep, toilet attendant or guy driving around the corpse wagon forever, wouldn't you want to leave?

 

It's definitely not the most interesting answer, but that probably makes it the most likely IMO. :lol:


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Hopefully for each race, we get to dive deeper into their backgrounds and learn more about them. I find this very interesting.



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Welcome to the forums! :D

 

You're right, it seems strange that everyone is going with the starcrossed lovers and forbidden romance thing? :huh:

 

As I said several pages back, it could just have easily been the Qunquisitor's grandparents or even great-grandparents who left the Qun (the Qunari have been in Thedas for quite some time), for reasons as minor as not liking their role. If you were stuck being a road-sweeper, chimney sweep, toilet attendant or guy driving around the corpse wagon forever, wouldn't you want to leave?

 

It's definitely not the most interesting answer, but that probably makes it the most likely IMO. :lol:

Although that brings up that there must be villages of ex-qunari that don't get bothered by the followers of the qun otherwise how could the kids have stayed full qunari for several generations?



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Welcome to the forums! :D

 

You're right, it seems strange that everyone is going with the starcrossed lovers and forbidden romance thing? :huh:

 

As I said several pages back, it could just have easily been the Qunquisitor's grandparents or even great-grandparents who left the Qun (the Qunari have been in Thedas for quite some time), for reasons as minor as not liking their role. If you were stuck being a road-sweeper, chimney sweep, toilet attendant or guy driving around the corpse wagon forever, wouldn't you want to leave?

 

It's definitely not the most interesting answer, but that probably makes it the most likely IMO. :lol:

Thanks :D