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[Nethershadow]

Hey all,

 

While trying to test some other specs with my Valkyrie in Kalence, I have found that if you have a pistol equipped along with a 2nd weapon, Asari Justicar 6a will reduce the weight much more than if you just had the pistol.

 

Example;

http://kalence.drupa...24R56364!FGDE.S

 

So if you change it from 6b to 6a for pistol weight it will have a much bigger effect than if it was just the pistol. I'm trying to get as low as possible a cd for warp with the reegar with those attachments.

 

Is this a glitch of Kalence?

Does Asari Justicar 6a reduce non pistol weight as well when you have a 2nd weapon?

 

[robarcool]

Just check in the game. You will have to burn a respec card though if you don't want 6a.

[capn233]

What do you mean bigger effect?

If it is working properly, it is simply a bonus in the PRS calculation of 0.3 whenever a pistol is equipped.

[capn233]

Killin' time, looking at this:

 

Talon I encumbrance 0.9

No Tech Armor

 

Warp recharge 2.71s (weapon damage) vs 2.46 (pistol weight)

 

vs

 

Talon X + Locust X encumbrance 0.9 (0.6 + 0.3)

No Tech Armor

 

Warp recharge 2.71s (weapon damage) vs 2.46 (pistol weight)

[Cyonan]

Justicar's actually get 30% Assault Rifle weight, not Pistol weight.

 

As for your Valkyrie, Kalence has a bug with how it calculates that weight reducing, but not in the way you're thinking. With those evolutions the game simply subtracts that much off the weight, so a weapon with a weight of 50% becomes 20%.

 

Kalence does the same thing, but in the case of a weapon that weighs 20% it makes the gun weigh -10% despite the fact that in-game a weapon can't go below 0%.

 

You also can't go above 200%, which may be why you're seeing a smaller increase with just a pistol.

 

On a side note, if you have a Reegar Carbine you don't need an Acolyte.

[capn233]

Do those evos actually modify encumbrance?  For some reason I thought they add in separate from the actual encumbrance in PRS (with the weight capacity bonuses essentially), which is why you can get less than weightless Shurikens on some characters.  Maybe I am misremembering, I don't actually take that evolution on any character.

[Nethershadow]

So with the build listed above, the weight/cd for Warp is;
Reegar + Heavy Barrel + Heavy Melee = 4.57
Reegar + Heavy Barrel + Heavy Melee / Acolyte + Power mod + Lightweight = 4.85
> now change Asari Justicar to 6a and now Warp CD drops to 4.10 which is lower than when you just had the Reegar

equiped by itself. It is as if it adds the weight of both weapons togather and sinse there is a pistol to match 6a

qualifier it reduces based on total weapon weight instead of just reducing the small amount for the pistol instead

from Warp's CD.

I'm not at home for a bit yet to test, and i've promoted my sentinel a couple days ago so will take me a bit to get

her up to speed to test in game.

So i was wondering if this is an error in Kalence or it works this way in the game?

[capn233]

Please test it in game.  I had thought that those racial passive weapon weight bonuses were actually treated like weight capacity bonuses in the PRS formula, which means it could potentially make some very light pistols (or SMGs for Quarians) appear like they have a little negative weight.  That was what I thought I remembered, but like I said I could be mistaken.  I guess Cyonan says it adds to the weapon weight itself, so if that is the case then your above combo should have identical cooldowns with Reegar vs Reegar + Acolyte ULM if you take the pistol weight evolution.

[Bodkins Odds]

I have a couple of spare respec cards, I'll test it out...

 

Nope, I just tried it on my Asari Adept and the most it'll do is make your pistol weigh nothing. It won't effect the weight of your other weapon.

 

It does mean one could carry a backup pistol with ones Claymore without further lowering ones cooldown as it can actually lower pistol weight to zero. I don't think I'd try the Claymore on my adept though. I loves me some BE.

[Nethershadow]

I just finished testing it to but Odds just beat me to it. 

 

 

Sidenote Capn233 I have just played a pug with you a few min ago and I feel like a noob.

[ROBOTICSUPERMAN]

...Claymore...

qft

[Dr. Tim Whatley]

On a side note, if you have a Reegar Carbine you don't need an Acolyte.

 

But, but off-host phantoms?

[ALTBOULI]

But, but off-host phantoms?

Geez B00g13 you should be taking a shuriken for optimal shield stripping

[capn233]

I just finished testing it to but Odds just beat me to it. 

 

 

Sidenote Capn233 I have just played a pug with you a few min ago and I feel like a noob.

 

Ah, I only played the 2 games yesterday.  I'm bad at remembering names, was that in the Giant / Collectors, or Glacier / Reapers?

[Kislitsin]

What is the 6a evolution in passives everyone is talking about here?

[Nethershadow]

Ah, I only played the 2 games yesterday. I'm bad at remembering names, was that in the Giant / Collectors, or Glacier / Reapers?

Glacier / Reapers. My game ID is Desoule and I was using the Warlord but you killed everything before I could get to it.

I have about 400 hours and two maxed URs but I don't think my skill level is high enough by comparison. I mean I haven't solo'd silver yet with non beefy characters yet and should know more about speed running I figure.

[capn233]

Glacier / Reapers. My game ID is Desoule and I was using the Warlord but you killed everything before I could get to it.

I have about 400 hours and two maxed URs but I don't think my skill level is high enough by comparison. I mean I haven't solo'd silver yet with non beefy characters yet and should know more about speed running I figure.

 

The host was also a Fury and that guy was playing well.  I was thinking anything I shot with the Typhoon said "Dark Channel" when it died.

 

Manifest matters a lot, and sometimes just betting right on the spawns in a random game.  Also when your character isn't as quick as some of the other ones it is annoying sometimes.  I wouldn't stress.

[Nethershadow]

What is the 6a evolution in passives everyone is talking about here?

It is the Asari Justicar passive that reduces pistol weight by 30%.

 

In Kalence builder it suggests that by equiping a 2nd weapon that is a pistol and having 6a that it could reduce your Warp cd (my example uses the Valkyrie) to lower than if you just had the main weapon equiped.

 

But thanks to Bodkins Odds, he tested in game and found that it will only reduce the pistol weight to a min of 0, which could make it so you get a free pistol without effect on your cd's.

 

The Fury/Valkyrie are my fave kits and with the Valkyrie I wanted to make the reegar work with as fast as I could warp spam, along with some HM as all three BE/Shotgun/HM I find very enjoyable on this kit and fun. Hence why the heavy blade attachment.

 

All her powers work well togather towards HM, but being able to throw in BE's relatively quick needs Warp to have a low CD.

[PatrickBateman]

Nice necro

[Indoctornated]

Nice necro

 

That you, Sinful?

[ClydeInTheShell]

lol recharge speed 

[Indoctornated]

lol recharge speed 

 

On some powers it really makes a difference. ie. Pull > Reave combos are way too slow otherwise. And the feel of instant combos on her makes me feel like I'm playing a grenade kit a la QME. It's that awesome. Otherwise I'd have to join the "lolPull" club too.

 

PS - try it. Trust me.

[ClydeInTheShell]

On some powers it really makes a difference. ie. Pull > Reave combos are way too slow otherwise. And the feel of instant combos on her makes me feel like I'm playing a grenade kit a la QME. It's that awesome. Otherwise I'd have to join the "lolPull" club too.

 

PS - try it. Trust me.

I've played the Justicar with an Acolyte only 66653 power focus, and with a Typhoon 66066 defensive bubble Vanelsa tank build. Along with several other variations mixed in. 

[Swan Killer]

Acolyte on the Valkyrie? 

No bang.