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You ever wonder why RPG's are dumbed down? This video is the answer


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https://www.youtube....h?v=Vgk_39Xy39Y

 

I didn't think someone could be this Bad at DA:O... boy oh boy was I wrong. This guy doesn't pause, doesn't use healing items & he doesn't switch characters... gets killed by skeleton's then complains that the game is "Broken." :blink:   

 

Highlights at 2:50 & 10:30

 

Watch and be blown away

 

 


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Yeah that was also my answer. Games are dumbing down to follow the majority of the people that are playing nowadays. Everything in these days should be direct and easy to understand. Dumber people equal Dumbed down games.

 

Hope it's a serious discussion and it's not a troll thread because that's a legitimate issue you are posing.


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Things like this are the reason I'm forced into a 20 minute tutorial at the beginning of every game. I furiously hate forced in-game tutorials. Unfortunately guys like this need them.
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I think that guy is just trying to ride the coattails of all these "angry gamers" we've got on YouTube.

 

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lol, he is playing DAO like it is Diablo. He doesn't understand the genre or the point of the gameplay. Its not exactly a secret that party-based crpgs are a bit of a niche, so no one should be surprised to see people playing them the wrong way. 



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>DSP

>Any Year


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This is Darksydephil and he is possibly the most hated person in the Let's Play community. Fans wanted him to play Orgins xD He already played dragonage 2 if anyone is wondering. He excelled at that game and loved it, but on Orgins (since it requires tactics and patience) he kept blaming his errors on the devs because of "bad programming"

-w- phil is just stupid..but nawe. this isn't acting..this is literally how he is..

Ontopic:- my neighbor doesn't like most rpgs because they're too "complicated" for her >_<  she doesn't like complicated rpg's but she still loves playing them.
I gave her fable 2 and she said it was too simple and easy, ended up returning it to me. I gave her dragon age 2 and she loved it. x) I gave her orgins afterwards but she returned it and said it was "too hard" 


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DSP is a toxic person. I once tried watching him play Battlefield 3 multiplayer and all he did was blame his team mates every time he got killed, or claim the enemy was lame for camping.



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I'm not sure I would have enjoyed the pause and play much either using DAO's crappy console controls with no tactical view.

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Ontopic:- my neighbor doesn't like most rpgs because they're too "complicated" for her >_<  she doesn't like complicated rpg's but she still loves playing them.
I gave her fable 2 and she said it was too simple and easy, ended up returning it to me. I gave her dragon age 2 and she loved it. x) I gave her orgins afterwards but she returned it and said it was "too hard" 

 

My friend is the same. He has tones of games but Sucks at RPG's. He was button mashing in DA:O & in ME3 he got the worst ending (Said it was no big deal & didn't understand why people were so pissed at it)   :lol: In both games he levelled up wrong & missed about 50% of the games content. There was some serious face palming going on & I contemplated disowning him lol B)

 

But I never really considered how... "Intimidating" some RPG's elements can be to people who like button mashing or linear games. They take one look at a somewhat "Old school" RPG, say it sucks then run for the hills. If it's not instantly appealing they drop the game like a tone of bricks & play something else.

 

Making combat in DA more reactive is a good hook for these players but if they completely ignore the tactics & just button mash then you can't do anything more for them. They are lost causes & are never going to like your game. 

 

It's quite interesting Considering how about 1/2 of my friends hated DA:O & loved Mass Effect(2&3). DA:O is miles better but ME is more accessible. 


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Lowest. Common. Denominator.

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Its a hard situation fans of both schools of thought put developers. Because those asking for harder gameplay and more rpg old schoolism are asking, whether they know it or not, for developers to spend much more money on the mechanic side of things in order to make less money in the long run. It's like trying to have a return of text based adventure gaming when visual element computer games came out, its not going to be as popular even if it appeals to purists.

But making things simpler can offer its own problems, depending on how things are handled. You'll get a lot more fans and players by making s game accessible to them, that is a poie thst cant be argued with. But dumbing things down can result in a product too weak for sny fan to enjoy, and can lose what made the gsme unique in the first place. This is a mostly story concern, and writers have to keep the same if not better quality of writing as before. Gameplay can be adapted to, and few will actually lament it, but story and writing suffering to give the game a more immediate gratification and actiony feel without warranting it is the cardinal sin of this process. Looking at you, DA2 end bosses.

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You know, I don't tend to ask for, "harder" games. I tend to ask for more challenging games, and not just RPGs. I'm not interested in ungodly inflated health pools and damage from enemies, I don't consider that challenge . . . that's just pure tedium to me. The things I ask for tend to be more complex/challenging A.I. on harder difficulty levels. I like it when games bring in new enemy types, new mobility options for existing enemies, new tactics/attack patterns/abilities on old enemy types and that sort of thing, so that when you increase difficulty the game is throwing new and interesting things at the player, for them to figure out.

 

When I see things like this is makes me understand why developers are hesitant to add in real challenge. When you just increase enemy damage or enemy health, you aren't really making the game harder, just more tedious, but it's infinitely easier for most players to adapt to a larger enemy health pool/higher enemy damage than it is for them to adapt to entirely new enemy types and enemy tactics/abilities/mobility options. At least that seems to be what most developers think is the easier brand of difficulty to implement.


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DA: I has already gotten rid of things that many considered "dumbing down RPGs," such as spamming heal spells; full health regen after combat, as well as leveling scaling.

 

Other than those few things I mentioned, since we don't know exactly how difficult or how "dumbed down" Inquisition is, I'm not sure what the point of this thread is.    


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LOL you think this guys bad? The other day I found a video of a guy playing DAO and hes calling Shale a statue and the mages wizards while skipping dialogue and literally having no idea of what is going on. HAHAHAHA


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In defense of some modern RPGs - I don't consider a lot of them dumbed down but streamlined.

 

If you compare the interface and combat of Baldurs Gate to the interface and combat of DA:O it was made much more intuitive in DA:O

 

That being said this guy seems like the type of person who would blame anything but himself for a poor performance. 

 

Edit: Clarified sentence. 


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That being said this guy seems like the type of person who would blame anything but himself for a poor performance. 

 

DSP in a nutshell  :lol:



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I like spamming heal spells(makes up for over powered bosses). Making potions, eating and sleeping. Needing a blanket to survive. A inventory of arms and armor that work for everyone. Loot, gold coins and a reason for them. Hack and slash is so boring, hate button mash. Would love to see BioWares take on Suikodon(sp). Liked the fighting in DA:O better it was over faster.

Know how dumb the average gamer appears to be? They (BioWare)want the 50% dumber then them to buy and play their games.

Now for some coffee.



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Is this for real?



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DA: I has already gotten rid of things that many considered "dumbing down RPGs," such as spamming heal spells; full health regen after combat, as well as leveling scaling.

 

Other than those few things I mentioned, since we don't know exactly how difficult or how "dumbed down" Inquisition is, I'm not sure what the point of this thread is.    

 

Oh I'm sure DA:I has robust Combat & RPG features. The tread is to show one of the... lower skill level players who play their games & his approach to DA:O's combat.

 

Can you imagine the Bioware team designed DA:I with players like DSP in mind,

 

"So he will ignore pause & play, tactical positioning, health potions and he won't switch party members. Basically he will ignore 90% of our Combat mechanics/RPG features & complain that we suck.... we can't ****** win can we?"  :lol:


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Lol. DSP. 

 

Twitch.tv could play games better than him.

 

On the topic of dumbed down RPGs, I'm playing Geneforge 5, then off to play Avadon 2 while eagerly awaiting the likes of Divinity: Original Sin, Wasteland 2, Pillars of Eternity, Age of Decadence, Dead State, Serpent in the Staglands and Torment: Tides of Numenera to come out.

 

Individually, the games may not be the Second Coming but as a whole, RPGs are in the best place they have been in for an entire decade.


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DSP has a well known troll personality. I'm sure at this point that he does all this on purpose. He acts like this no matter the game he plays. Though I have seen some really bad Origins play. Such as one guy insisting on using crossbows on an archer (terrible idea) and refusing to use Injury Kits. Ends up with a ton of injurys and having his party wipe nearly each fight. Apparently, according to him, using injury kits was unrealistic. O.o


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DSP has a well known troll personality. I'm sure at this point that he does all this on purpose. He acts like this no matter the game he plays.


DAO isn't all that hard. I typically am very bad at anything resembling combat and I have soloed DAO as a rogue on Nightmare. The key tricks are learning to pause and telling each party member what do to from time to time. Once I learned to use the party control buttons on the top left, the game got a lot easier.

If this Youtube 'personality' has such trouble with games perhaps he should play simpler games? Or are his meltdowns typically more entertaining than this one?

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This is Darksydephil and he is possibly the most hated person in the Let's Play community. Fans wanted him to play Orgins xD He already played dragonage 2 if anyone is wondering. He excelled at that game and loved it, but on Orgins (since it requires tactics and patience) he kept blaming his errors on the devs because of "bad programming


Wait a minute. The same approaches that beat DA2 also beat DAO. Is he deliberately trying to play DAO badly?
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