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[ThatOddGuy]

Please, show me the video with reliable twitch-headshots at 60+ FPS with the unfixed gun.

Is twitching the only way you can play this game? I think you might have an epilepsy issue here...

[ThatOddGuy]

I like the Crusader too.

But, what are you talking about regarding the Saber? Isn´t it the most straightforward gun to use?

It is, but I was awful with it until I decided to use it more. My aim isn't even bad. I love to snipe and use suppressor and arc pistol etc. Don't know why I used to suck with saber. Not anymore, though

 

On a weapon-focused kit, Crusader can wipe out a mook in one shot, 2 if they have shields. You don't even need to shoot heads half the time. It's like the Javelin of shotguns. Bodyshots ftw. Headshot bosses.

[Kislitsin]

 

I think you need to learn to shoot. Not joking, either.

 

Man. believe me, I can shoot. And I have no problems using, lets say, CTS-Palladin (which heavily depends on subsequent headshots) as a secondary on my Destroyer, or Supressor on my TSol. I like to kishok time to time and can use it reliably on host as well.

Its not so hard to aim at that game in comparison with good ol' PC shoters I used to play, but aiming is aiming.

 

That gun gives me a headache though, due to the counterproductive nature of its bug. That aim-delay, actually, rewards sloppy aim, so its probably you the one who need to L2shoot. If you think that using precise gun on a kit with a staggertool like sabotage or ED makes you good at shooting...well, good luck.

 

And, well, while half the people who posted here might be on PC or elsewhere, look at what Cyonan, Dunvi, Anno or Capn say, search for old Peddro's or Caratinoid's posts. Those people responsible for 95% of the BSN "head knowledge" The bug does exist, it is counterproductive aimwise, the bug is confirmed by devs.

[Mordokai]

I have yet to try it on Destroyer, but I imagine it would be quite beastly. Especially if you manage to score headshots reliably, which should be no problem with Crusader.

 

Anybody has any experience with this combo?

[ThatOddGuy]

 

 

Man. believe me, I can shoot. And I have no problems using, lets say, CTS-Palladin (which heavily depends on subsequent headshots) as a secondary on my Destroyer, or Supressor on my TSol. I like to kishok time to time and can use it reliably on host as well.

Its not so hard to aim at that game in comparison with good ol' PC shoters I used to play, but aiming is aiming.

 

That gun gives me a headache though, due to the counterproductive nature of its bug. That aim-delay, actually, rewards sloppy aim, so its probably you the one who need to L2shoot. If you think that using precise gun on a kit with a staggertool like sabotage or ED makes you good at shooting...well, good luck.

 

And, well, while half the people who posted here might be on PC or elsewhere, look at what Cyonan, Dunvi, Anno or Capn say, search for old Peddro's or Caratinoid's posts. Those people responsible for 95% of the BSN "head knowledge" The bug does exist, it is counterproductive aimwise, the bug is confirmed by devs.

 

 

Yes. We are all aware of the ****** BUG.

 

My point is that you learn to compensate. It does not reward sloppy aim, because if your aim is sloppy, you miss even worse. You lead your targets. That is all. That is why I am using it to blow the heads off Phantoms and Nemesis' on kits without stagger powers while they are running.

 

Honestly. If this gun's got you beat, that's no sweat off my back. Enjoy twitching away.

[ThatOddGuy]

I have yet to try it on Destroyer, but I imagine it would be quite beastly. Especially if you manage to score headshots reliably, which should be no problem with Crusader.

 

Anybody has any experience with this combo?

 mmm 5 shot Crusader does sound mighty juicy.

[Kislitsin]

Is twitching the only way you can play this game? I think you might have an epilepsy issue here...

Well, I use the gun on TSent, ofc I can use overload as a staggertool, but:

1. His overload specced full damage (for phantoms, turrets, primes, pyros and geth in general, gold banshees).

2. Cooldowns are quite long with TA engaged, so its more effective to simply headshot mooks. 1HS for those without shields, 2HS for shielded (only first headshot require twitch aiming, anything will be staggerd for the second easy headshot). And you keep him off CD for either overload for prime/phantom or warp for else.

tl/dr tiwtch shooting is effective. 

Stop being stupid.

[Kislitsin]

Yes. We are all aware of the ****** BUG.

 

My point is that you learn to compensate. It does not reward sloppy aim, because if your aim is sloppy, you miss even worse. You lead your targets. That is all. That is why I am using it to blow the heads off Phantoms and Nemesis' on kits without stagger powers while they are running.

 

Honestly. If this gun's got you beat, that's no sweat off my back. Enjoy twitching away.

Now, please, go and read the posts some smart people like Cara made years ago.

You might reconsider your moronic behavior.

[ThatOddGuy]

Haha my moronic behaviour? I made this thread to appreciate how good this gun is in the hands of someone who can use it. And many people came in here and said the same thing as me: it's great if you've got it down.

 

I don't know the term twitch shooting, but I'm sure I employ the tactic by default, as I do whatever works.

 

Your behaviour is ****** moronic. You've come into this thread and trolled on about how terrible the shot delay is. It doesn't bother me any, I just compensate when I aim -- I'm sure many others are doing the same thing as me.

 

Quit your ****** pissing and moaning. I read through those threads back when they were current. Back then, I agreed that the delay made the gun worthless. But hey, when I learned to use it properly, I've found that it's amazing. And that's without mod/fixing it.

 

If you can't deal with that, then shut the **** up and get the **** out of my thread you goof. Honestly.

[Kislitsin]

No, I didn't troll, just merely outlined how bad is the delay at higher FPS. You, though, started that "L2aim" BS.

[ThatOddGuy]

You still here?

[Dovakiin_N7]

Its one of the best shotguns in the game, albeit a bit tricky to use given that it is unforgiving to those with bad aim.

imo the crusader massively out performs the BSN beloved claymore.

This.

[Marksmad is waving goodbye]

No, I didn't troll, just merely outlined how bad is the delay at higher FPS. You, though, started that "L2aim" BS.

 

 

You still here?

 

 

It would be nice if you two would simply kiss and make up, especially since it's completely non-obvious what you are each complaining about.

 

What is clear is that pissing and moaning doesn't advance the topic.

[12323432543]

I'm lukewarm to it. It's a great gun sure but I only use it sparingly. Prefer the claymore so much more.  

[Chealec]

Huh, some interesting opinions like "Crusader (unfixed) doesn't reward good aim" or "niche weapon" ...

 

It is the best shotgun in the game. Period. And I love the claymore.

 

It is excellent mook killer and an even better boss killer.

 

I am Pc player and I played it many, many times -friend of mine loves it- on many kits, never had any problems hitting what I want.

 

I'm on PC too (IIRC you're on my Origin FL - heh) but I'd still argue that it's a niche weapon for a few reasons:

 

1: that 0.2s delay is like having 200ms lag in-game, I can compensate for it but it takes me a couple of rounds to do so after using "normal" weapons.

 

2: it's more shonky off-host - gun delay + lag :\

 

3: it seems to benefit far more from the stability of being in hard-cover than anything other than sniper rifles as you either hit, or you don't (no spread or spray 'n' pray)

 

4: the recoil on it is massive so unless you're shooting an Atlas in the "face" at close range you have to really lower your fire rate to maintain accuracy

 

5: the non-zoomed "crosshair" is far too subtle; when scoped, on-host, I can be pretty certain that when the crosshair goes red (irrespective as to whether it's actually over the target or not) the shot will hit - the snapfire crosshair doesn't really stand out enough for me

 

6: it fires single slug shots so it doesn't break shield-gate (much less of an issue now, of course)

 

7: it weighs a lot, it's not great on say conc spammer builds of the HSol.

 

 

This, for me, puts it in a niche - as it's best used on-host, on kits that don't worry about CD, with Phasic/Disruptor ammo, as a sort of shotgun sniper rifle. If I'm going to get up close and personal, I'd make better use of several other shotguns (Graal, Wraith, Raider, Claymore, Talon *ahem*), if I'm sniping I'd do better with the Black Widow, Javelin or Saber, probably the Valiant against mooks - I'll get the 20 Headshot Medal far quicker with any of them than the Crusader.

 

So, I use the Crusader on one HSol and as a secondary on the Destroyer, primarily for its ability to chew through Praetorians and Atlases ... that's a pretty niche weapon to me. It's not a bad gun, just that in most instances there are better choices IMO.

[DisturbedPsic0]

I have yet to try it on Destroyer, but I imagine it would be quite beastly. Especially if you manage to score headshots reliably, which should be no problem with Crusader.

 

Anybody has any experience with this combo?

Video

 

No DM and stagger on the things. Makes up for the delay the Crusader has for aiming scrubs like me. It was good fun for a few rounds but I've since respecced to no fitness which you could probably  do the exact same thing but with less mobility.

[cronshaw]

Ladies, Ladies!
You're both awesome

[Chealec]

Video

 

No DM and stagger on the things. Makes up for the delay the Crusader has for aiming scrubs like me. It was good fun for a few rounds but I've since respecced to no fitness which you could probably  do the exact same thing but with less mobility.

 

Unfortunately that's on console, so it's only 30 FPS and you don't have mouse-aim accuracy but from the bits of the video I watched there were several instances where the shots landed when the crosshairs were red but NOT on the target and several instances where the shots missed when the crosshairs WERE over the target... but blue.

 

The problem is when you tend to twitch-fire (as you'll have pretty much trained yourself to do if you've played any first person shooters), you don't actually look at the crosshairs any more than registering that they're over the target and firing... do that at 60 FPS with the Crusader and the odds are that you will miss, you have to actually pay attention to the crosshairs going red; which slows down your fire rate and reduces the overall DPS of the weapon.

 

I may well be wrong on this, but I think the Crusader "quirks" are actually more pronounced on PC because of 60 FPS and the rapidity at which people tend to twitch-fire (mouse aiming being quicker than thumb-stick aiming).

[didacuscarr]

I have yet to try it on Destroyer, but I imagine it would be quite beastly. Especially if you manage to score headshots reliably, which should be no problem with Crusader.
 
Anybody has any experience with this combo?

Yes, it's actually my 2nd favourite weapon for him. It's great on about any kit though.

[DisturbedPsic0]

Unfortunately that's on console, so it's only 30 FPS and you don't have mouse-aim accuracy but from the bits of the video I watched there were several instances where the shots landed when the crosshairs were red but NOT on the target and several instances where the shots missed when the crosshairs WERE over the target... but blue.

 

The problem is when you tend to twitch-fire (as you'll have pretty much trained yourself to do if you've played any first person shooters), you don't actually look at the crosshairs any more than registering that they're over the target and firing... do that at 60 FPS with the Crusader and the odds are that you will miss, you have to actually pay attention to the crosshairs going red; which slows down your fire rate and reduces the overall DPS of the weapon.

 

I may well be wrong on this, but I think the Crusader "quirks" are actually more pronounced on PC because of 60 FPS and the rapidity at which people tend to twitch-fire (mouse aiming being quicker than thumb-stick aiming).

#pcproblems

 

Honestly from a community that can get all the UR at will and run the objectives and do all sorts of other fun things us normal people can't do, I'd say that's a decent trade off.

[Tonymac]

Quite meh but ok. The delay just kills the gun sometimes for me.

That aim delay / built in lag thing always kills the gun for me.  I just don;t use it very often because I hate it.  

 

I have a friend who is very good with the gun though - she almost never misses and is very fast with it.

[cronshaw]

I like to use it on the human soldier. You get 8 shots in a row with AR. Great for crushing large slow targets like Atlases. It's fun on the GI too with drill rounds
You can shoot through half the map

[TheShadyEngineer]

Am I the only one who doesn't understand the main argument going on in this thread?

 

Is the Crusader a good weapon even with it's shot delay bug? Yes. Does the shot delay bug hurt the Crusader? Hell yeah, for a presicion weapon to not be hitting where you're aiming is a pretty big deal. Can the bug be mitigated by getting used to it and leading the target slightly? Yes.

 

If I take a kit with a Crusader to a game after using another precision weapon such as the Saber or Pally pistol in the previous game, the first 3 or 4 waves (or however long it takes one to get used to the delay) of the Crusader game are going to be horrible because the gun doesn't actually hit what you're aiming at.

 

By the way, my Crusader is unfixed too and I can effectively compensate for the shot delay bug but that doesn't mean the bug isn't stupid or relevant when discussing the Crusader's performance.

 

 I guess my point is, you're both right. One can get used to the delay and make the Crusader a very effective and deadly weapon but then again, the bug shouldn't have existed in the first place and if one can get rid of it, why the hell not?

 

@original OP, my only beef with the Crusader is that it weighs as much as a fully grown Krogan, which for me means that it'll be limited to kits that are not cooldown dependant. I use my Crusader on the Krosol, N7 Destroyer, Cabal (  ) and various infiltrators.

[Chealec]

#pcproblems

 

Honestly from a community that can get all the UR at will and run the objectives and do all sorts of other fun things us normal people can't do, I'd say that's a decent trade off.

 

Heh - not to mention the fact that you can probably hack that delay out on the PC anyway

 

Yeah - I wasn't having a go or anything; I'd argue that almost every weapon in the game is probably easier to use on PC because of mouse aiming, just the quirks on the Crusader are possibly a little more quirky on the PC.