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[Chealec]

I find the best way to use it, is with either a stun/stagger power such as overload, or Geth scanner for wall hacks (or both!).

 

You're quite right, it requires such pin-point accuracy it can be tricky to hit enemies moving laterally. I find hitting a moving Phantom especially difficult. On the flip-side it is very satisfying when you head shot a small-head enemy.  When making multiple shots you also need to account for the massive recoil, but's it's such a predictable effect that you become familiar with it. You shouldn't need to waste any stability gear on it.

 

Just persevere, and also it becomes considerably better at higher levels.

 

I've had it at X for nearly a year and I can still barely see the point of it *shrugs*

 

I mean, why bother? If I wanted awesome headshots I'd just GI/Jav - use PM to put the Phantom into bubble mode and *pop* - far more satisfying. If I wanted to get in and murderise everything with a shotgun, Raider is a more reliable choice. The Crusader is neither one thing nor the other and has basically no "fit" with the way I run any of my kits that's not better suited to another weapon.

[iOnlySignIn]

I agree with everything except the sound.

 

It sounds not threatening at all and kind of annoying and hilarious at the same time.

 

Kind of like a cook knocking on an empty pot with a ladle.

[Kislitsin]

I find the best way to use it, is with either a stun/stagger power such as overload, or Geth scanner for wall hacks (or both!).

 

You're quite right, it requires such pin-point accuracy it can be tricky to hit enemies moving laterally. I find hitting a moving Phantom especially difficult. On the flip-side it is very satisfying when you head shot a small-head enemy.  When making multiple shots you also need to account for the massive recoil, but's it's such a predictable effect that you become familiar with it. You shouldn't need to waste any stability gear on it.

 

Just persevere, and also it becomes considerably better at higher levels.

Lol

 

Man, did you even read my posts???

 

BTW, I have it at X for almost a year. No offence, but stop trying to give advice, I honestly doubt you understand the issue I talk about.

[Ryuji2]

Not a fan of the Crusader. Prefer Raider or Claymore. Usually Raider since you can get more oomph out of it if you're fast enough at reloading and are close enough to where most if not all the pellets of each shot connect.

[hostaman]

I've had it at X for nearly a year and I can still barely see the point of it *shrugs*

 

I mean, why bother? If I wanted awesome headshots I'd just GI/Jav - use PM to put the Phantom into bubble mode and *pop* - far more satisfying. If I wanted to get in and murderise everything with a shotgun, Raider is a more reliable choice. The Crusader is neither one thing nor the other and has basically no "fit" with the way I run any of my kits that's not better suited to another weapon.

 

I think you may have answered your own question. I.e. Why bother when you can head shot with the Javelin?

 

Well perhaps if you completely suck with the Javelin (as I do) but do well with the Crusader.

 

It's not the situation that all players do equally well with all weapons, and that's what makes it interesting.  If it's not your thing that's fine, the Jav isn't mine.

The OP was just asking how to get good results from the weapon, and some of us have been trying to help out.

I would personally always take the Crusader over the Wraith or Claymore, but I know that many have the opposite opinion. That's choice for you.

[hostaman]

Lol

 

Man, did you even read my posts???

 

BTW, I have it at X for almost a year. No offence, but stop trying to give advice, I honestly doubt you understand the issue I talk about.

 

I do understand your issue with it.

 

If you're unable to get good results from using it due to it's quirks (or bug in your opinion) then I'm not sure why your posting on a thread where the OP asked how to get good results from it. I play with the Crusader all the time and often find myself clutching with it. While I admit that hitting small fast enemies is a challenge, I can still get the job done.

 

Some of us are answering that original question.

[Turian Master Race]

I find it a problem with targets that are moving (primarily Husks, Abombs, teleporting Banshees, Nemeses, Phantoms) unless they're running right at you (which thankfully Dragoons do) ... but I may have to admit, being (way) the wrong side of 35, my reactions are perhaps beginning to slow *shrugs*

 

But even without that weird delay - the gun would still be a niche gun for me; there are almost always better alternatives.

 

I mostly do the following, regardless of the gun:

1, shot husks, abombs in the chest when in doubt

2, ignore teleporting banshees unless they charge me in strait line

3, ignore nemesis doing the chicken dance, wait for them to settle, or use stagger

4, ignore phantoms mid flip, wait for them to land on their feet

 

I am way over 35 That is why I ignore strafing troopers and centurions ...

 

According to your logic almost every weapon is niche weapon because there are better alternatives.

[Kislitsin]

I mostly do the following, regardless of the gun:

1, shot husks, abombs in the chest when in doubt

2, ignore teleporting banshees unless they charge me in strait line

3, ignore nemesis doing the chicken dance, wait for them to settle, or use stagger

4, ignore phantoms mid flip, wait for them to land on their feet

1. While bodyshooting husks is a completely optimal route, headshotting the suckers is much more satisfying, with abombs - it's better to headshot em though.

2. Crusader is capable to stop and strip the banshee in one clip (with warp ammo and headshots) and kill her with subsequernt 1-1,5 clips (depends on accuracy and penetration). Delay is a pita here.

3. Without staggerpower (destroyer or GTS) it requires a 1337 aiming skill (and is hardly possible with crusader to do it consistently) to HS them while "chicken", bodyshot will stop them and give enough time to headshot, still hardly possible with crusader at 60+fps. Delay is a pita.

4. ignoring phantoms midflip is an optimal tactics, but crusader fails to headshot em right after flip due to the delay, It's a pita because it's completely possible to 2 shot kill her (headshot stips her barriers, the second shot can be a bodyshotm but I prefer my phantoms to be decapitated). Also, you have less chances to save youself with a savior shot when she is about to impale you. Delay is a pita.

 

Let me summarize briefly:

 

Is Crusader usefull with that delay? Absolutely yes, it's still a great boss killer and still delivers a lot of gore with mooks.

Is that delay makes it's less fun? Yes, twitch-shooting is fun and is extremely satisfying. There is no reason not to try 'em.

Would it be OP without delay? No, it wouldn't, it would be just more satisfying to use for a number of us, Those who learnt to cope with it's wierdness wouldn't feel the difference in its performance.

 

If it was OP without delay it would have been the OP setup for QFI and frogfiltrator with their perfect low CD stuggercrutches. It's barely the most OP setup for those two though.

 

Conclusion (based solely on my opinion): removing the delay would not break the game, but would reedem the great gun, it's a perfect marksman weapon this game really needs. (Sabre and Valk lack boss deeps, Snipers are a different story, Arc Pistol, while great, lacks the feeling of a powerfull gun, Palladin can't deliver such deeps though more effective vs mooks)

 

 

I am way over 35

Are you a grill?

[Kislitsin]

l2p

Teach me please. Show me how to twitchheadshot with the gun and I will eat my words.
PC, 60+ fps

[ThatOddGuy]

Lol
 
Man, did you even read my posts???
 
BTW, I have it at X for almost a year. No offence, but stop trying to give advice, I honestly doubt you understand the issue I talk about.

Are you STILL here? Holy ****...

[Chealec]

I mostly do the following, regardless of the gun:

1, shot husks, abombs in the chest when in doubt

2, ignore teleporting banshees unless they charge me in strait line

3, ignore nemesis doing the chicken dance, wait for them to settle, or use stagger

4, ignore phantoms mid flip, wait for them to land on their feet

 

I am way over 35 That is why I ignore strafing troopers and centurions ...

 

According to your logic almost every weapon is niche weapon because there are better alternatives.

 

 

^ Yup - just some have bigger niches

 

The Graal is probably my absolute favourite gun ... but that's because I like melee kits, it's still a niche weapon though; it's niche is on kits that hit stuff but it's also great for headshots when charged. Not really a boss killer though.

 

Guns that don't have any particular niche are things like the Harrier and Hurricane - they work well on any kit.

[ThatOddGuy]

so.. livestream?

Yes, teach him, so he can stfu about how butthurt he is that there happens to be some people around here who like a gun that he doesn't. Because somehow, we are entirely obligated to his opinion over everyone else's just because he won't stop his pissing and moaning about, literally, a tenth of a second.

As a general rule, if you can't predict where an enemy will be in a tenth of a second (and no, it doesn't require being a robot to do it) , then THAT is why you suck with this gun, and others don't. It is much easier to figure out than the Javelin or Kishock, or even the Graal.

Man, it would be a lot easier if he'd just quit being a filthy troll, now wouldn't it?

[ThatOddGuy]

^ Yup - just some have bigger niches
 
The Graal is probably my absolute favourite gun ... but that's because I like melee kits, it's still a niche weapon though; it's niche is on kits that hit stuff but it's also great for headshots when charged. Not really a boss killer though.
 
Guns that don't have any particular niche are things like the Harrier and Hurricane - they work well on any kit.

Graal is okay for boss killing, I find. No armor damage reduction, so there's that. It used to be my go-to shot gun for melee kits that didn't care too too much about cooldowns. However, the Crusader has replaced that "niche" for me.

[TheNightSlasher]

the only way to settle this is via thunderdome with crusaders

[Dunvi]

This thread is getting stupid.

[d_nought]

This thread is getting 1v1.

[megabeast37215]

Yes, teach him, so he can stfu about how butthurt he is that there happens to be some people around here who like a gun that he doesn't. Because somehow, we are entirely obligated to his opinion over everyone else's just because he won't stop his pissing and moaning about, literally, a tenth of a second.
As a general rule, if you can't predict where an enemy will be in a tenth of a second (and no, it doesn't require being a robot to do it) , then THAT is why you suck with this gun, and others don't. It is much easier to figure out than the Javelin or Kishock, or even the Graal.
Man, it would be a lot easier if he'd just quit being a filthy troll, now wouldn't it?

That's Kislitsin for ya. If you don't share his opinion.. you're stupid. Don't forget it.

[Chealec]

Graal is okay for boss killing, I find. No armor damage reduction, so there's that. It used to be my go-to shot gun for melee kits that didn't care too too much about cooldowns. However, the Crusader has replaced that "niche" for me.

 

Where the Graal shines over the Crusader on Krogan is that you can charge the Graal, start running towards your target and release the trigger. The Graal will fire without breaking your stride so that you can then launch immediately into a heavy melee... and that heavy melee will connect because the Graal will have staggered the target (well, unless you've killed it outright) - with non-charge weapons, like the Crusader, you have to stop running before you can fire.

 

And because the Graal is a projectile weapon, there's not much point in putting on half the weapons mods... so you don't have to make any kind of decision between omni-blade or HVB, since HVB doesn't do anything anyway (well, nothing more than extended barrel).

 

Besides, Krogan, Graal, Graal KROGAN!

[d_nought]

oi you ****s gonna 1v1 already? i wanna see reefa get smashed

[Kislitsin]

so.. livestream?

It's much easier. Just show me the video with twich-crusader-headshots. And I will surrender.

[DisturbedPsic0]

It's much easier. Just show me the video with twich-crusader-headshots. And I will surrender.

Can I ask why you're so hung up on twitch headshots? It's like someone only playing adepts or engineers. What's the point of only playing one way? Understand the strength and weaknesses of each class and weapon and use them accordingly.