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[Rowe]

I’ll admit, reading the recent comments by David Gaider about romance in the upcoming DAI game has made me a bit worried. While nothing concrete has been said I’m really hoping, as a gay man, that my romance options have not again been narrowed down to abstaining or choosing a character simply because they’re the only other gay male. That’s what DAO was for me. I found it very frustrating that I couldn’t even express my interest in Alistair, even if it would have been just for him to turn me down. I would have been fine with that; it would have been a realistic way to show sexuality, rather than just making him 100% off limits to male characters. I was not interested in Zevran and since he was the only gay male option I simply abstained.  

 

Then there was DA2, I don’t know if calling the romance mechanics an improvement is accurate, but it certainly presented more choices of which I was very appreciative. I had expected Anders to be the only option for a gay male, and he was certainly the more overt of the two, actively coming on to your character and mentioning a previous relationship with a man (if you were a male PC), but I was pleasantly surprised at Fenris being a option as well! I was wary that the male character I wanted would not be available to me, but thankfully that turned out not to be the case. Still, I couldn’t reconcile the oddity of everyone being openly bisexual; it just struck me as unrealistic.  I kept waiting for a conversation regarding his sexuality that never came. So, while I appreciated the options, it certainly could have been executed in a more realistic way.

 

I don’t want options taken away from me in DAI (I must admit that is largely due to the fact that I have been waiting to romance Cullen as a male PC since he was first introduced in DAO), and while I don’t want the “everyone is inexplicably bisexual mode” either, I’d prefer that over pining over a character I cannot have. Since this forum is for suggestions, here is mine:

 

In an older Bioware game called Jade Empire, you could romance Sky as either a male or female PC, but what set it apart was how different the romance was for male PCs. He is seemingly a heterosexual man, having lost his wife and daughter, and if you’re playing a female character he will openly flirt with you and show interest. As a male PC, he shows no romantic interest unless you completely rebuff the two female LI’s, at which point he will “approach you with his suspicions,” where you can admit to being interested in him. It makes him uncomfortable and he doesn’t want to talk about it anymore until he’s had time to think. He is hesitant and unsure about beginning a relationship with you if you are a male PC, but eventually he falls for you. On the other hand, as a female he is very easy to romance.

 

I really find this to be a great alternative to either making everyone openly bisexual or restricting options. It shows a plausible way for the PC to romance whichever LI they want while still taking gender and sexuality into account. The character actually falls for the PC because of who they are, maybe in some cases despite their predisposition, and they still take gender and their own sexuality into account. I don’t know why this hasn’t been done again in any of the DA games (or ME in that case), but I really thought it worked very well. Anyone else have an opinion?

[Allan Schumacher]

We're definitely concerned about providing choices for people, and haven't forgotten about stuff like that.

[Allan Schumacher]

I'd argue that romance content is also a part of the "story" aspect, so I think it's safe to say that people are playing this game for the story.

[Allan Schumacher]

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Please note that the artificial restrictions placed on who you can romance invalidate any concerns you may have about a particular ratio of sexual orientations being unrealistic.

[Allan Schumacher]

.Also you playing a lesbian (by choice) once is not the same as gay people being forced to play straight people in almost every game...

 

See. I always found this statement strange. Before Mass effect and dragon age, I NEVER was able to romance anyone in my games, the games I played didn't have this feature. And i don't think many games have it. The first time I played Mass effect 2 and DAO, I missed the romance content, because I didn't know that something like that  could even BE INCLUDED in a video game. 

 

I never considered considered this matter about being straight, because there was absolutely nothing that could tell me that my PC was straight. There was no romance content at all.

 

Are there really that many games which imply that you are straight ?

 

A lot of games (across all sorts of genres) do still have some sort of romantic interest.  Sometimes it's more implied (i.e. saving a Damsel in Distress is often seen as having romantic motivations, for example) than explicit, but I think it often falls into a heteronormative perspective.

 

There's no doubt games that are firmly asexual in their entire content, but sometimes it's just little things like having a girlfriend or whatnot.  It may not be prominent, but for example even an older game like Double Dragon has you playing the role of a heterosexual as you go chasing after the girl.

[Allan Schumacher]

I know, what happened to the days of Revenge because they did something bad to you personally? Put you in prison, killed your parents/best friend/ siblings, betrayed you for money. Almost killed you and left you for dead. Stole everything you had.

All are good revenge stories that require no heterosexuality or obligatory dead women falling out of the sky and your fridge everywhere you go.

 

I think there's the idea that affecting something that is taken from you is arguably more painful.

 

I know some that, if given the choice between suffering themselves or having a loved one suffer, would choose to endure it themselves simply because they are given that choice, while the loved one is not.

[Allan Schumacher]

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Well, it's not about whether or not she could "realistically compete", her survival was purely a matter of Peter catching her in time.

 

I'm not concerned with comic canon, the film is a separate artwork. Regardless of what happened in the comics Gwen's death wasn't necessary in the film because she'd already been effectively written out of it. She was on her way to Oxford. Peter could've realised that he had to stay behind to protect New York, and they could've broken up for good.

 

Instead, she had to die in order for Peter to have some sort of a "growth moment" that was crammed into the last five minutes of the movie. Like "lol, let's just fast forward past all that pesky grieving and get him straight back into the game". It's borderline insulting.

 

And let's face it. Death is completely meaningless in the world of comic books. If a character is popular, they'll be resurrected within a few issues anyway.

 

Amazing Spiderman 2 spoilers:

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I had a feeling it was going to happen, especially once she was there helping Spiderman at the end.  While I'm at a point now that I can look at it and recognize "Hmm refrigerated," I don't know if if "she didn't have to die" is fair (Does anything ever *have* to happen?).  The movie established throughout that Peter had issues with the promise he made to Gwen's father, and it reinforces the general superhero theme about how those close to the hero are vulnerable due to their relationship (doubly so for "With great power comes great responsibility" built into Spiderman)

 

I like Gwen dying more than simply moving away and Peter finding a reason to have to stay in New York because it's permanent.  As someone that lost his brother when I was 13, I am not sure if anything I've experienced really compares to the finality and permanence of death of a loved one long before their time (and I have certainly had some downs in my life at other times too).  It more powerfully reinforces Peter's fear that "those that Peter cares about will be targets."  I also think it provides an interesting dynamic with Spiderman's relationship with the Green Goblin.

 

I once had someone trash talk me in a game of football saying "At least my brother's not dead."  I have never felt such rage before.  Had I had superpowers, the classmate probably wouldn't be doing so well.

 

Maybe this is cliche, maybe it could have been done differently, but I do think the movie needed to cement the risk Peter's relationships can have.  I don't think it would have worked as well for Peter to regress back to the state he was in early in the movie, where he was all "I'm sorry the risk is too much."

[Allan Schumacher]

He gives constant indications he like women and zero that he like man.

So? Is this more that you struggle to understand how a bisexual person would actually behave? Because nothing in this statement tells me that Anders cannot be bisexual.

[Allan Schumacher]

1000% agree OP

 

I feel you

 

and I don't even like Dorian already so that's 0 options for me : /

 

It's unfortunate, but the reality is that there will always be some people that dislike every single romance in the game.  It's unavoidable without a drastic refocus of the game (and even then I doubt we get it all).

[Allan Schumacher]

I don't like any of my possible options because everything I know says they're austere and emotionally reserved. Not every straight guy wants a romance about taming the Mean Girl. If the writers decided to make the only female who smiles f/f only I will be sad. Feedback from the writers seems to indicate that concerns like that aren't a concern to them.
 
And  the record: physically I think they both look quite pretty. what they look like just isn't very important to me.

 

 

The important thing to ask yourself, then, is whether or not you believe we'd write several different romances that are all very similar to each other.

[Allan Schumacher]

I'm confident all the different Romances in the game will be different.

 

I'm not confident the Race and Gender gating will leave any one orientation with divergent options. I am not confident the team thinks of that as a priority. Which they aren't obligated to, hence why I expressed disappointment, not outrage.

 

Sorry, I mistook your post as saying you don't like any of the possible options, regardless of any type of gating (barring maybe Sera, since hers is known).