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[Rowe]

I’ll admit, reading the recent comments by David Gaider about romance in the upcoming DAI game has made me a bit worried. While nothing concrete has been said I’m really hoping, as a gay man, that my romance options have not again been narrowed down to abstaining or choosing a character simply because they’re the only other gay male. That’s what DAO was for me. I found it very frustrating that I couldn’t even express my interest in Alistair, even if it would have been just for him to turn me down. I would have been fine with that; it would have been a realistic way to show sexuality, rather than just making him 100% off limits to male characters. I was not interested in Zevran and since he was the only gay male option I simply abstained.  

 

Then there was DA2, I don’t know if calling the romance mechanics an improvement is accurate, but it certainly presented more choices of which I was very appreciative. I had expected Anders to be the only option for a gay male, and he was certainly the more overt of the two, actively coming on to your character and mentioning a previous relationship with a man (if you were a male PC), but I was pleasantly surprised at Fenris being a option as well! I was wary that the male character I wanted would not be available to me, but thankfully that turned out not to be the case. Still, I couldn’t reconcile the oddity of everyone being openly bisexual; it just struck me as unrealistic.  I kept waiting for a conversation regarding his sexuality that never came. So, while I appreciated the options, it certainly could have been executed in a more realistic way.

 

I don’t want options taken away from me in DAI (I must admit that is largely due to the fact that I have been waiting to romance Cullen as a male PC since he was first introduced in DAO), and while I don’t want the “everyone is inexplicably bisexual mode” either, I’d prefer that over pining over a character I cannot have. Since this forum is for suggestions, here is mine:

 

In an older Bioware game called Jade Empire, you could romance Sky as either a male or female PC, but what set it apart was how different the romance was for male PCs. He is seemingly a heterosexual man, having lost his wife and daughter, and if you’re playing a female character he will openly flirt with you and show interest. As a male PC, he shows no romantic interest unless you completely rebuff the two female LI’s, at which point he will “approach you with his suspicions,” where you can admit to being interested in him. It makes him uncomfortable and he doesn’t want to talk about it anymore until he’s had time to think. He is hesitant and unsure about beginning a relationship with you if you are a male PC, but eventually he falls for you. On the other hand, as a female he is very easy to romance.

 

I really find this to be a great alternative to either making everyone openly bisexual or restricting options. It shows a plausible way for the PC to romance whichever LI they want while still taking gender and sexuality into account. The character actually falls for the PC because of who they are, maybe in some cases despite their predisposition, and they still take gender and their own sexuality into account. I don’t know why this hasn’t been done again in any of the DA games (or ME in that case), but I really thought it worked very well. Anyone else have an opinion?

[rapscallioness]

Very well articulated and thought out post OP. I never played Jade Empire, so I didn't know they approached it that way. I like that idea.

[Spirit Keeper]

I agree. I am worried that I won't like any of the gay or bi romance options because I disagree with them or whatever reason. Like the Alistair situation, he was the only person in DAO I wanted to romance but I couldn't as my male warden. Luckily DAO is moddable so I was able to romance him with mods but it's a shame people have to resort to mods to romance the characters they like.

[Mr.House]

*complains about having one romance option, praises JE for one option*

 

Seems legit

[Mr.House]

ILuckily DAO is moddable so I was able to romance him with mods but it's a shame people have to resort to mods to romance the characters they like.

[Br3admax]

So in other words, every character is still bisexual, but they just pretend they aren't? 

 

To be honest, no I don't support that. Every character doesn't need to be romanceable by the PC just because you want to. You shouldn't be able to have control over a character like that in a game anymore than you should have control over that in real life. So making every character different for the sake of a thirty second, dry hump is a little demeaning to them. I didn't want to mod Traynor into a romanceable NPC even though she would have went well with a Shepard I made because that was here character, she was lesbian and just as in real life, I, or rather Shepard, accepted that. Changing a person for my own selfish reasons is asinine and childish. 

[daveliam]

So in other words, every character is still bisexual, but they just pretend they aren't? 

 

To be honest, no I don't support that. Every character doesn't need to be romanceable by the PC just because you want to. You shouldn't be able to have control over a character like that in a game anymore than you should have control over that in real life. So making every character different for the sake of a thirty second, dry hump is a little demeaning to them. I didn't want to mod Traynor into a romanceable NPC even though she would have went well with a Shepard I made because that was here character, she was lesbian and just as in real life, I, or rather Shepard, accepted that. Changing a person for my own selfish reasons is asinine and childish. 

 

1.)  Bisexuality is a set sexual orientation, so if everyone is "still bisexual", then the player wouldn't "be able to have control over" them.  Your argument doesn't make logical sense because bisexuals don't change their orientation based on the player's gender.

 

2.)  There is absolutely no reason to begin name calling.  Words like "childish", "selfish", and "asinine" are only going to derail this thread.  Of course, I'm sure you knew that given your record with this topic, right......?

 

If you aren't in favor of it, just say that and be done with it.  No reason to get nasty.

[Spirit Keeper]

Yeeeeeeees?

[Mr.House]

Yeeeeeeees?

I should not have to spell out the issue with what you just said.

[Thumb Fu]

Well i certainly hope you get what you're looking for. I fall into the mass appeal market so i'm your average white heterosexual male, we're catered for when it comes to the amount of romance options usually, however i'm going to go a bit deeper just to add to the conversation, and i think it touches on some points you made and i may have some counter points.

 

In my case it's not the lack of romance options, but the depth of them really. They follow a set pattern for the most part there is the odd exception, but you start off talking to an NPC you find out there are romance options, you get enough points to win the prize then at the end you get a few extra dialogue scenes maybe some flavour text and the obligatory sex scene, beyond that in dragon age at least, ME is different you can have a romance that spans 3 games thus giving a more time for development, beyond that you don't get much else.

 

I would certainly like to see the romances go a lot deeper that they have so far, i want the object of my affections to be volatile sometimes, an argument or some more passion shown thats not in the bedroom as it were but showing things in other scenes like on the battlefield or god knows what else, but give me some depth and some complexity to it. 

 

I could go for less romance options if the 1 and only option i had was a damn good one, problem here is, everyone is different how can any game possibly come up with one romance option and expect everybody to fall in love instantly, it's just not doable. So what is better, depth or breadth? I'll go through ME or DA gameplays sometimes and not romance anybody, not because the options aren't there but because it doesn't feel right for the character that i'm playing, or any of the options available don't fit with the character that i'm playing might be a more eloquent way of putting it, i think what i'm trying to say there is does Bioware have to cater to my every need, absolutely not, would i like them to, of course, it's natural to want all of the things!

 

To try and address your point though lol. I think you might be pleasantly surprised, at least i hope you are, 6 to 3 are good odds at least! (referring to male to female companion ratio fir clarification, not that it makes a real difference since non-companions are confirmed to be romanceable!) What i hope though is that if a broad range of options is made available, it doesn't make each experience more shallow, depth is nice too. I might have more to add but i'll see if anybody has been offended before i shoot my mouth of anymore.

 

Cheers

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I definitely prefer the 'everyone is available to anyone' style than set sexuality, especially if ambiguous. That way if you want to see them as straight, bi, or gay, you can. Who cares how other players have them? That way at least it is fair.

[Br3admax]

1.)  Bisexuality is a set sexual orientation, so if everyone is "still bisexual", then the player wouldn't "be able to have control over" them.  Your argument doesn't make logical sense because bisexuals don't change their orientation based on the player's gender.

 

 

The OP is asking for the ability to make characters discover themselves. "You're bisexual so love me."

 

2.)  There is absolutely no reason to begin name calling.  Words like "childish", "selfish", and "asinine" are only going to derail this thread.  Of course, I'm sure you knew that given your record with this topic, right......?

 

Nope. It's the truth. Fans shouldn't ask to control a character just because they like them. It has nothing to do with derailing, notice I talked about myself and my opinions. I have thought about such things in the past, and I have condemned my form of thinking then. When I used the word I, I meant it.

 

 

 

If you aren't in favor of, just say that and be done with it.  No reason to get nasty.

Nope, I'll talk about my own personal experiences with how I take a subject all I want. My personal opinions of you for wanting such things probably will never be shard on a forum because I don't have a reason to form opinions on people I don't care about in the slightest. 

 

But if you must know, yes, It's selfish to think that you should get to say that all characters should be a certain way just to fuel your own desire to sleep with them. 

[Adaar the Unbound]

I like the idea of having gay, bisexual and straight companions over having all bisexual ones or straight and a few bisexual ones. I do think you should be able to talk about sexuality with your companions. Like a straight companion could turn you down, straight companions should ask questions about your sexuality and stuff when they figure out, and it should be mentioned/joked about on occasion. I think that it shouldnt be ignored. If you're in a same sex romance, both you and the companion should mention that it was a  same sex romance.Except maybe Bioware wants the Dragon Age universe where nobody cares about sexuality and thinks it doesnt matter. They never use the words gay, straight or bisexual or anything so maybe people just like what they like and everyone respects that and understands that and doesnt really think about that. If thats the case, then maybe most the stuff i've said should be discarded. Straight companions should still turn you down though.

Also wit both gay and straight romances, other companions should notice and mention it more. 

EDIT: If the companions do have set sexual orientations, then they should have equal amount of companions in each sexuality and each sexuality should have a variety to match everybodys taste.

[Spirit Keeper]

I should not have to spell out the issue with what you just said.

I agree, because there is no issue.

[Mr.House]

I agree, because there is no issue.

 

You do not see the issue with changing someones sexual prefrence so you can sleep with them? Really? DO you also support the White Isabela mod too?

[daveliam]

The OP is asking for the ability to make characters discover themselves. "You're bisexual so love me."

Nope. It's the truth. Fans shouldn't ask to control a character just because they like them. It has nothing to do with derailing, notice I talked about myself and my opinions. I have thought about such things in the past, and I have condemned my form of thinking then. When I used the word I, I meant it.

Nope, I'll talk about my own personal experiences with how I take a subject all I want. My personal opinions of you for wanting such things probably will never be shard on a forum because I don't have a reason to form opinions on people I don't care about in the slightest. 

 

But if you must know, yes, It's selfish to think that you should get to say that all characters should be a certain way just to fuel your own desire to sleep with them. 

 

Wrong.  Sky is bisexual.  The only thing that changes because of the player's gender is the gender of Sky's partner.  Period.  He's not being "changed" because of it.  You can try to dress your argument up all you want, but it's not the factually the case.  Unless, you also have a problem with Alistair being a relationship with a straight female Warden because, after all, he's changed because of their relationship......

 

Also, your opinions are just that.  Opinions.  Not facts or truths.  Again, you throw out insults because you don't have any better argument at this point.  It's the internet equivalent of stomping your feet and throwing a tantrum to get noticed.  It might get you attention, but it doesn't mean that you have a stronger argument.  In fact, it often indicates the opposite.

[Br3admax]

*snip*

 

Yeah, mass appeal sounds good from a marketing point, but romance is the type of content where character should shine more than appealing to everyone, simply because of the reason you spoke about, depth. I find a character much more appealing if they can actually be themselves without my input. And the depth will certainly suffer if it's made to appeal to more people. The wider the net, the less quality the catch, and all that. Anyway, relationships don't really work the same way that they do in ME, so I don't think that'll be a problem. Considering the way it seems to work, you'll simply have to wait and see. BioWare has already said that this kind of thing will work dynamically so it's hardly going to lack depth. 

[Adaar the Unbound]

 

You do not see the issue with changing someones sexual prefrence so you can sleep with them? Really? DO you also support the White Isabela mod too?

In DA:O, theres only one option if you want to same sex romance. If you dont not like that option, you shouldnt have to settle or just not romance anyone if you can mod another character that you prefer. 

[Spirit Keeper]

 

You do not see the issue with changing someones sexual prefrence so you can sleep with them? Really? DO you also support the White Isabela mod too?

I like the equal love mod because Zevran was the only same-sex romance available to men and I found his to be exactly what the media thinks all non-straight men are like. Zevran says he doesn't particularity enjoy sleeping with men, he's just gotten used to it. Besides, you can't really change the preferences of someone who doesn't exist not to mention that he never states that he doesn't like men. Just like Kaidan could be romanced by Male Shepard's in ME3 and everyone blew their lids because Kaidan was such a straight character because he never mention how much c*ck he liked to suck. To the 2nd, no I don't use White Isabela because I think her skin colour is fine the way it is, but i'm not going to dictate to others what they can or cannot do with their games. If someone else wants to use the white isabela mod it's their choice and it doesn't affect my Isabela or suddenly make her white in my game. You forgot to mention the 'pretty Aveline' mods. Which I also don't use.

[Br3admax]

Wrong.  Sky is bisexual.  The only thing that changes because of the player's gender is the gender of Sky's partner.  Period.  He's not being "changed" because of it.  You can try to dress your argument up all you want, but it's not the factually the case.  Unless, you also have a problem with Alistair being a relationship with a straight female Warden because, after all, he's changed because of their relationship......

 

How does that change what I said? Sky was bisexaul, but he was uncomfortable with the idea until the PC encouraged it. Is that something that happens in real life? Yes. Should every person be like that because the fans want to romance everyone? No.

 

 

 

Also, your opinions are just that.  Opinions.  Not facts or truths.  Again, you throw out insults because you don't have any better argument at this point.  It's the internet equivalent of stomping your feet and throwing a tantrum to get noticed.  It might get you attention, but it doesn't mean that you have a stronger argument.  In fact, it often indicates the opposite.

No it's not. Why would I throw a tantrum when BioWare's already taken my way of thinking from the looks of it? If anything, you're angry that BioWare doesn't take your stance on romance with their characters, not me. If anything, your trying to imply that my statements that wanting something for yourself because of your own want is selfish, which is the definition of the word by the way, is somehow a degrading tantrum just shows your own insecurities not mine. 

[Cobra's_back]

I like the idea of having gay, bisexual and straight companions over having all bisexual ones or straight and a few bisexual ones. I do think you should be able to talk about sexuality with your companions. Like a straight companion could turn you down, straight companions should ask questions about your sexuality and stuff when they figure out, and it should be mentioned/joked about on occasion. I think that it shouldnt be ignored. If you're in a same sex romance, both you and the companion should mention that it was a  same sex romance.Except maybe Bioware wants the Dragon Age universe where nobody cares about sexuality and thinks it doesnt matter. They never use the words gay, straight or bisexual or anything so maybe people just like what they like and everyone respects that and understands that and doesnt really think about that. If thats the case, then maybe most the stuff i've said should be discarded. Straight companions should still turn you down though.

Also wit both gay and straight romances, other companions should notice and mention it more. 

EDIT: If the companions do have set sexual orientations, then they should have equal amount of companions in each sexuality and each sexuality should have a variety to match everybodys taste.

 

I never had a problem with this. It seems natural. Not everyone is Bi-sexual in real life. 

[Cobra's_back]

In DA:O, theres only one option if you want to same sex romance. If you dont not like that option, you shouldnt have to settle or just not romance anyone if you can mod another character that you prefer. 

 

Is a romance that important? It is just a game. Most of the time I don't romance anyone. 

[Mr.House]

In DA:O, theres only one option if you want to same sex romance. If you dont not like that option, you shouldnt have to settle or just not romance anyone if you can mod another character that you prefer. 

So it's fine to change Alistair into a bisexual but it's wrong and evil to change Sam? Ah Bioware forums, never change.

[Adaar the Unbound]

Is a romance that important? It is just a game. Most of the time I don't romance anyone. 

 

Not everybody feels that way though. To me and a lot of other people, romances are that important.

[Adaar the Unbound]

So it's fine to change Alistair into a bisexual but it's wrong and evil to change Sam? Ah Bioware forums, never change.

Sam?