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[aTigerslunch]

Main article: LGBT themes in video games

Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) characters have been depicted in video games since the 1980s. Common depictions include comical gender confusion, transgender characters, gay characters in fighting and action games, and gay romance in role-playing games.

In the history of video games, LGBT content has been subject to changing rules and regulations, which are generally examples of heterosexism, in that heterosexuality is normalized, while homosexuality is subject to additional censorship or ridicule. Companies Nintendo, Sega and Maxis policed the content of games with content codes in which LGBT themes were toned down or erased.^{[46][47][48][49]}

Sexual orientation and gender identity have served a significant role in some video games, with the trend being toward greater visibility of LGBT identities.^[50][51][52] Speaking on the Ubisoft blog, Lucien Soulband, who is openly gay and was the writer for Far Cry 3: Blood Dragon, said that openly gay or lesbian characters would not appear in video games for a long while as anything other than a one-off or something that was created through user choice as seen in the Mass Effect and Dragon Age games.^[53]

 

 

^{This is from http://en.m.wikipedi..._in_video_games.   I listed this somewhere already, but didnt take the excerpt from it, and apperently someone tells them to "deal with it"?  I only see a solid three games (one listing later in my words here)......um.... deal with what when so limited in number?!  Im not gay, I support them, they should have more than I could of listed here. I know I cant list heterosexual ones at all, that would probably take a few pages to list. The Sims didnt show up on here, but it is in that link where if you nudged the characters into same-sex, then the town could be open for that. That is in the marketing tab under the link where I got the above statement.}

 

As stated in a post above, before saying something like "deal with it", imagine if the shoe was on the other foot first. I would want equal number LI's which obviously they are doing in this one. Bioware is pretty much the only one that cares about LGBT, for the most part. Couple others are adding a little to theirs too, Dragon's Dogma didnt know at first but if you hear a bell when you first talk to them, that means they could be a potential lover after doing many quests for them.

[mikeymoonshine]

Interesting that there was such a backlash to this thread with talk of entitlement, the changing of characters to suit the player and all kinds of other horrible things. It is just a game and it's mostly just meant to entertain people. 

 

Everyone is going to have a different opinion on what is most entertaining but can we try to have discussions that don't involve demonizing people for having opposing viewpoints? 

 

It's almost like some people here think bioware should not be doing anything at all that might appeal to anyone. I mean why even put this game on sale? That would just be pandering to fans after all. 

[aTigerslunch]

Actually, what I saw more of is wanting equal representation.

[r1ck182]

Well, all I have said is taking for granted that the 2/2/2 system would be applied to DAI. I guess it was confirmed that we will have equal options for any sexual orientation. All I'm against is to change a character to fit into it. It was a long time between my DA:O/A playthroug and the DA2, but for me, the bi Anders was quite the change...

 

Maybe it was just me (there was a friend who had the same reaction after), and it has been a long time since I've played, but couldn't see that Anders from DA:A becoming the Anders from DA2. Maybe I hadn't pay attention, but I was very surprised when Anders started to flirt with my male Hawke. Unexpected, I should say. It was different from Zevran, I totally saw it coming anytime from him, you know...

 

Anyway, my english isn't that good, sorry for any mistake, I'm trying my best to make sense.   

[9TailsFox]

Well, all I have said is taking for granted that the 2/2/2 system would be applied to DAI. I guess it was confirmed that we will have equal options for any sexual orientation. All I'm against is to change a character to fit into it. It was a long time between my DA:O/A playthroug and the DA2, but for me, the bi Anders was quite the change...

 

Maybe it was just me (there was a friend who had the same reaction after), and it has been a long time since I've played, but couldn't see that Anders from DA:A becoming the Anders from DA2. Maybe I hadn't pay attention, but I was very surprised when Anders started to flirt with my male Hawke. Unexpected, I should say. It was different from Zevran, I totally saw it coming anytime from him, you know...

 

Anyway, my english isn't that good, sorry for any mistake, I'm trying my best to make sense.   

This at least someone share my opinion. David Gaider in this video "Sex Dragon age" people have problem because Anders is gay. No that is not the problem. the problem is in Awakening Anders screams"I am lady's man" Or we played different games. And in DA2 he suddenly gay(Or it's justice?). And witch worse dialogue wheel with possible response didn't help. Then in Zevran case it was perfect, it's not out of character, he hits on you, we have 6 response or 5 not sure.

[Mockingword]

Here we go again with the "as long as it makes sense" garbage.

[r1ck182]

Here we go again with the "as long as it makes sense" garbage.

 

Yeah, because have a different opinion than yours should be "garbage". Good way to make your point.

 

Everyone would be happy if Cullen make his appearance as a mage and Leliana start do torture people and worship the elven gods in DA:I.

[Lady Nuggins]

This at least someone share my opinion. David Gaider in this video "Sex Dragon age" people have problem because Anders is gay. No that is not the problem. the problem is in Awakening Anders screams"I am lady's man" Or we played different games. And in DA2 he suddenly gay(Or it's justice?). 

 

Anders is not gay.  Anders likes men and women.  It is possible to like both.  Bisexuality is a real thing.

[Darth Krytie]

Anders is not gay.  Anders likes men and women.  It is possible to like both.  Bisexuality is a real thing.

 

Thank you! I have this huge pet peeve when people see someone who has previously had sex with one gender, and then has sex with another...automatically SKIP OVER the bi/pan/demi options and go straight to the other side. Having sex with a person of a different gender than you have before doesn't like...magically INVALIDATE all those experiences. Sure, there are some people who take longer to realise and understand their sexuality. But that's for those people to indicate. Not the world around them. For most, it's a more simple explanation: They like more than one gender.

[In Exile]

Thank you! I have this huge pet peeve when people see someone who has previously had sex with one gender, and then has sex with another...automatically SKIP OVER the bi/pan/demi options and go straight to the other side. Having sex with a person of a different gender than you have before doesn't like...magically INVALIDATE all those experiences. Sure, there are some people who take longer to realise and understand their sexuality. But that's for those people to indicate. Not the world around them. For most, it's a more simple explanation: They like more than one gender.

 

One of many reasons why I loathe labels, though obviously for most people they work just fine. Although, frankly, now I just self-identify as Alucard (which, for those unaware, is an absurdly violent anime that has an abriged series, which gives us the gem "no one alive can comprehend my sexual preference"). 

[Mockingword]

Yeah, because have a different opinion than yours should be "garbage". Good way to make your point.

 

Everyone would be happy if Cullen make his appearance as a mage and Leliana start do torture people and worship the elven gods in DA:I.

Not at all the same thing, but I'll spare myself the wasted effort of trying to explain to you how sexuality actually works.

[mikeymoonshine]

This at least someone share my opinion. David Gaider in this video "Sex Dragon age" people have problem because Anders is gay. No that is not the problem. the problem is in Awakening Anders screams"I am lady's man" Or we played different games. And in DA2 he suddenly gay(Or it's justice?). And witch worse dialogue wheel with possible response didn't help. Then in Zevran case it was perfect, it's not out of character, he hits on you, we have 6 response or 5 not sure.

 

My problem with this logic is that he was changed in more ways than this (as were other characters like Isabela and Merril), he looked completely different and had a different voice actor, his whole personality changed. 

 

Why does being a "lady's man" mean you can't be bi? I know quite a few ladies men who are so I found this point a bit odd. Why is it any less out of character for Zevran to be Bi than for Anders? 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

One of many reasons why I loathe labels, though obviously for most people they work just fine. Although, frankly, now I just self-identify as Alucard (which, for those unaware, is an absurdly violent anime that has an abriged series, which gives us the gem "no one alive can comprehend my sexual preference"). 

You mean this video? 

Spoiler

[9TailsFox]

You mean this video? 

Spoiler

Can be this. Alucards sexual orientation is give me someone more powerful then me to kill. Anime where no one care about political correctness.

Spoiler

[daveliam]

Well, all I have said is taking for granted that the 2/2/2 system would be applied to DAI. I guess it was confirmed that we will have equal options for any sexual orientation. All I'm against is to change a character to fit into it. It was a long time between my DA:O/A playthroug and the DA2, but for me, the bi Anders was quite the change...

 

Maybe it was just me (there was a friend who had the same reaction after), and it has been a long time since I've played, but couldn't see that Anders from DA:A becoming the Anders from DA2. Maybe I hadn't pay attention, but I was very surprised when Anders started to flirt with my male Hawke. Unexpected, I should say. It was different from Zevran, I totally saw it coming anytime from him, you know...

 

Anyway, my english isn't that good, sorry for any mistake, I'm trying my best to make sense.   

This at least someone share my opinion. David Gaider in this video "Sex Dragon age" people have problem because Anders is gay. No that is not the problem. the problem is in Awakening Anders screams"I am lady's man" Or we played different games. And in DA2 he suddenly gay(Or it's justice?). And witch worse dialogue wheel with possible response didn't help. Then in Zevran case it was perfect, it's not out of character, he hits on you, we have 6 response or 5 not sure.

 

Anders is not gay.  Anders is bisexual.  Therefore, when he shows interest towards women, it's "not out of character" and when he shows interest in men, it's also "not out of character".  Many bisexual people have a preference between men and women, although they remain attracted to both.  In Anders case, his flirty comments about ladies in DA: A seem to point to his preference being women.  Anders was very different in DA 2, but that's partially because of the influence of the spirit who has possessed him.  Justice, however, didn't change his sexuality.  He was bisexual the whole time.  Hope that this explains it for you.

[Sequin]

I will never understand why people care so much about whether someone is bisexual or not. It must be different in other places, but among my friend groups if someone says they are bisexual nobody gives a flip because it just seems common. I've yet to have someone pull me aside if someone else comes out and say to me, "Didn't that person say they were a 'lady's man' that one time last summer?"

And take me. I'm not "bi" but I also wasn't "out" my whole life. I used to make comments about guys to "fit in." So if I were to say "I'm a gentleman's woman" does that somehow negate my existence as a lesbian? Or is the fact I'm monosexual give me a "pass"?

Bisexuals don't have to announce they are bisexuals every second of every day. If a bisexual girl tells me she finds Chris Hemsworth hot I don't need her to validate she is bi with a quick, "Oh, but I like Natalie Portman, too!" Does Anders being bisexual ruin your experience with Dragon Age? Is this the seeming "plot hole" that can never be explained? I mean, really?

[daveliam]

I can only imagine that in an alternate universe somewhere there are forumites on message boards devoted to the game of my life shrieking, "Retcon! He was CLEARLY straight in high school and college. Now he's suddenly gay AND married?!? How unrealistic.....!"

[9TailsFox]

Anders is not gay.  Anders is bisexual.  Therefore, when he shows interest towards women, it's "not out of character" and when he shows interest in men, it's also "not out of character".  Many bisexual people have a preference between men and women, although they remain attracted to both.  In Anders case, his flirty comments about ladies in DA: A seem to point to his preference being women.  Anders was very different in DA 2, but that's partially because of the influence of the spirit who has possessed him.  Justice, however, didn't change his sexuality.  He was bisexual the whole time.  Hope that this explains it for you.

 

 

I will never understand why people care so much about whether someone is bisexual or not. It must be different in other places, but among my friend groups if someone says they are bisexual nobody gives a flip because it just seems common. I've yet to have someone pull me aside if someone else comes out and say to me, "Didn't that person say they were a 'lady's man' that one time last summer?"

And take me. I'm not "bi" but I also wasn't "out" my whole life. I used to make comments about guys to "fit in." So if I were to say "I'm a gentleman's woman" does that somehow negate my existence as a lesbian? Or is the fact I'm monosexual give me a "pass"?

Bisexuals don't have to announce they are bisexuals every second of every day. If a bisexual girl tells me she finds Chris Hemsworth hot I don't need her to validate she is bi with a quick, "Oh, but I like Natalie Portman, too!" Does Anders being bisexual ruin your experience with Dragon Age? Is this the seeming "plot hole" that can never be explained? I mean, really?

Do you even read what I andr1ck182 write Anders wasn't bisexual or gay or other. He was openly straight Jokes about Andraste statue... He gives constant indications he like women and zero that he like man. So like I say we played different games or Anders personality was changed and it's not just his sexuality it's like Anders from Awakening died and this Anders is imposter I can't even understand how he accepted justice willingly, and at the same time saying to Merrill all spirits are evil.

[Sequin]

Thinking about that makes me wonder what the Collector's Edition to my life would include. Perhaps a cloth map of my home town, an artbook featuring pictures of me at various stages in life, digital downloads for a new car I can drive, different "skins" people can put on my cat, and a statuette of my girlfriend... I do hope they didn't have to pay too much for all that.

[r1ck182]

Well, first I know Anders is bisexual, I mentioned it on my post. And again, everything I said is my impression, Anders talked about girls in a way, maybe I didn't see the way I should, but as I said, his flirt with my male Hawke was unexpected, never saw it coming because of the things he said on Awakening.

 

And not "approve" the Anders matter doesn't make me against homosexual neither bisexual approach. I hope you do understand that. The things they did with Anders felt unnatural, something like that. Just because I wasn't expecting, I guess. It had this impact on me, could be different to all of you. We have our own way to experience things, I'm just sharing my point of the view and I mean no offense to anyone.

 

For what really matters, I still see the game coming with the 2/2/2 romance options. Seems to be the best option.

[daveliam]

Do you even read what I andr1ck182 write Anders wasn't bisexual or gay or other. He was openly straight Jokes about Andraste statue... He gives constant indications he like women and zero that he like man. So like I say we played different games or Anders personality was changed and it's not just his sexuality it's like Anders from Awakening died and this Anders is imposter I can't even understand how he accepted justice willingly, and at the same time saying to Merrill all spirits are evil.

I must have missed the part where he said he was openly straight. Because bisexual men can also only express interest in women for the short time you know them and they are still bisexual. Can you point me to the place where Anders openly declares his heterosexuality?

[In Exile]

You mean this video? 

Spoiler

 

That's the scene I had in mind. Well, except I wasn't a girl in the 30s. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

That's the scene I had in mind. Well, except I wasn't a girl in the 30s 40s. 

Fixed.

[In Exile]

Fixed.

 

No comment on that decade. 

[Sequin]

Do you even read what I andr1ck182 write Anders wasn't bisexual or gay or other. He was openly straight Jokes about Andraste statue... He gives constant indications he like women and zero that he like man. So like I say we played different games or Anders personality was changed and it's not just his sexuality it's like Anders from Awakening died and this Anders is imposter I can't even understand how he accepted justice willingly, and at the same time saying to Merrill all spirits are evil.

I think you are applying a monosexual lens to examine Anders. And that just isn't accurate at all.

It isn't a flaw in Anders sexuality for him to only say things about one gender instead of both. It's an issue about assumptions in our monosexual world in regards to what he does and/or doesn't imply.