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[Lady Nuggins]

Do you even read what I andr1ck182 write Anders wasn't bisexual or gay or other. He was openly straight Jokes about Andraste statue... He gives constant indications he like women and zero that he like man. So like I say we played different games or Anders personality was changed and it's not just his sexuality it's like Anders from Awakening died and this Anders is imposter I can't even understand how he accepted justice willingly, and at the same time saying to Merrill all spirits are evil.

 

I read what you wrote right here:

 

This at least someone share my opinion. David Gaider in this video "Sex Dragon age" people have problem because Anders is gay. No that is not the problem. the problem is in Awakening Anders screams"I am lady's man" Or we played different games. And in DA2 he suddenly gay(Or it's justice?). And witch worse dialogue wheel with possible response didn't help. Then in Zevran case it was perfect, it's not out of character, he hits on you, we have 6 response or 5 not sure.

 

He is not "suddenly gay."  He is bisexual.  He likes women and he likes men.  I am bisexual.  Most people assume I am straight because I am more often in situations where I can date men than other women (finding other interested women is haaaaaaard).  And how many times do people have to be told that David Gaider always thought of Anders as bisexual?  

 

Merrill suddenly became Welsh, and nobody screamed about how she was lying to us all along by hiding her accent. 

[r1ck182]

Merrill suddenly became Welsh, and nobody screamed about how she was lying to us all along by hiding her accent. 

 

Bothered me the way they changed Isabela looks too. As for Merrill, didn't even know. I'm not confident about my english, but now it's far better than it was when I was used to play DAO often (didn't pay attention to the voices at that point), so I guess I just missed that change.

[Rowe]

Bisexuality seems to be an age old debate! Well it all comes down to not being able to define someone else's (even a video game character's) sexuality for them. In regards to Anders I had much more of an issue with the new look and new voice actor! I think that's what made him feel the most disconnected from DA:A. Still, I was quite surprised when he hit on my male PC since DA:A did seem to go out of it's way to identify him as hetero, what with his multiple mentions of females, unlike a character like Nathaniel who made no allusions to any sort of sexual preference (or if he did it was so slight I've forgotten). But, that being said, the Warden-Commander only knew him for a short period of time, it makes sense he wouldn't know (and by proxy we wouldn't know) that Anders likes men as well. Since there were no romance mechanics in DA:A it would have been nice if they had shown Anders as bisexual to give us at least one openly LGBT character. Just because they didn't do that doesn't mean that showing him as bisexual later is "out of character," it's just a side of his character we hadn't gotten to see before. And, there's always the old saying, "he who protests the loudest..."  You really never know! 
 

[Allan Schumacher]

He gives constant indications he like women and zero that he like man.

So? Is this more that you struggle to understand how a bisexual person would actually behave? Because nothing in this statement tells me that Anders cannot be bisexual.

[thats1evildude]

I'm pretty sure Anders was lightly flirting with Nathaniel in the one banter.

• Nathaniel: You don't always wear robes, do you?
• Anders: Not when I'm naked I don't.

If you imagine Anders winking when he delivers that line, it becomes a little more clear.

[aTigerslunch]

I learned a friend of mine was bi, he never admitted to it and none of us knew. I learned cause one of my female friends was talking to him and let it slip out. Now me and a few others know.

I look at this as indication of how Anders is.

[Andraste_Reborn]

I look at this as indication of how Anders is.

 

Yeah. If you pick a particular flirt option while playing M!Hawke, he expresses surprise that you're willing to discuss this openly. I get the impression that Anders has been used to not talking about his attraction to men prior to falling for Hawke.

 

As for why that is, he never really says, but it isn't hard to imagine reasons. While homosexual relationships might not be as taboo as they've been in our society, they're still thought of as unusual in Ferelden - maybe as an apostate Grey Warden posessed by a spirit Anders just feels unusual enough already.

[quinwhisperer]

Does anyone actually play this game for the gameplay or story? I swear all I hear is moaning about there not being enough gay romances, too many gay romances, everyone isn't romancable by anyone. You know just cause you're gay doesn't mean your character has to be. I'm a straight guy I played through as a gay woman in DA once. Gay people aren't gonna be the only one's who restricted, maybe some qt3.14 female qunari is only into chicks and I'm outta luck.

Well, I am a woman and gay, and I'd like to play as one.
Of course I mostly play a game because of its story and gameplay but if a game freatures romances, everyone should be treated equally. I don't want to be limited just because my character happens to be gay just like me. I'm not speaking of "everyone should be bisexual"-- I just wish everyone would get the same amount of romance options.

[aTigerslunch]

Well, I am a woman and gay, and I'd like to play as one.
Of course I mostly play a game because of its story and gameplay but if a game freatures romances, everyone should be treated equally. I don't want to be limited just because my character happens to be gay just like me. I'm not speaking of "everyone should be bisexual"-- I just wish everyone would get the same amount of romance options.

I cant understand why "I Like Cats And" keeps posting to romance threads if he doesnt like romance. He should stay away from romance threads if he doesnt want to read about one of the important aspects of Bioware games.

 

Oh, and I am pretty sure they have it equaled out for romances, just not sure who they all are is the question. 

 

Yeah. If you pick a particular flirt option while playing M!Hawke, he expresses surprise that you're willing to discuss this openly. I get the impression that Anders has been used to not talking about his attraction to men prior to falling for Hawke.

 

As for why that is, he never really says, but it isn't hard to imagine reasons. While homosexual relationships might not be as taboo as they've been in our society, they're still thought of as unusual in Ferelden - maybe as an apostate Grey Warden posessed by a spirit Anders just feels unusual enough already.

 

Yep, I understand he doesnt share info with a F!Hawke on that information. I can understand why he didnt share it openly before DA2 though. He might not of wanted to share it cause he wasnt secure about it at the time. Which is some issues with the one I do know about. 

[aTigerslunch]

Managed to get that double post in one post working cause I copied it from this one I just erased. 

Modifié par aTigerslunch, 17 mai 2014 - 11:26 .

[PrayingMantis]

This thread still active??

How I see it, there's always going to be someone who will complain about the aspect of how sexuality was displayed in a video game, maybe it will change in a few decades, or a few hundred years, but surely not now. For now though, there are going to be lots of arguments in the future, so I am really glad BioWare includes people from other sexual orientations in their games.

Personally, I am not even sure about my own sexualtiy, so I am fan of making dozens of characters who have all different gender and sexualities, hence am tending for companions who are not playersexual, but either hetero/******/bi/whatever. It just seems more realistic and exciting. i am a lover of realsitic aspects in videogames.

 

On the other hand however.. I am contradicting myself because I know which companion I am looking most forward to and I really really want that companion to be a LI and at least bisexual (so I can smex them up wow who would have thought that) and it'll be a huge disappointment if that's not true and I'll be presented characters I was never interested in in the first place. There's always that fear that you come away empty handed and thats just... Mhe. It sounds stupid and it is immature and shallow (since we don't know **** about the companions as of now), but that's just how I feel at the moment. 

 

If I am not able to romance someone because of their sexual orientation, or because they're not a LI, I want my character at least to be rejected. There should be a dialog option in which you're asking a companion directly if they'd be interested in a relationship with you and they'll reject you. You know like Traynor in ME3? I want my companions to tell me they're not interested in me, or if they have eyes for someone else, or if they can't move on because of xyz, just something that's fleshing out their character and sexual orientation. Something that makes them more realsitic.

If BioWare can do that, I won't even be bothered by the restrictions anymore. 

[Monthar]

My ideal would be to have a minimum of three companions of each gender, one heterosexual, one bi-sexual and one homosexual, but make it random each play-through as to which orientation each is. The first male and female companions you meet are a completely random orientation, the second of each met is one of the other two orientations and the third is whatever the first two aren't. So if male one is bi-sexual and male two is heterosexual then male three will be homosexual. This kind of set-up increases the re-playability of the game significantly.

 

Even if each is always the same orientation, let us at least have to option to try to start a romance and be rejected.

[Giggles_Manically]

There should be gender lockouts.

Then Class lockouts

Then Race Lockouts.

Then maybe Specialization lockouts.

 

Then with so many hoops you cant romance anyone! HAHAHAHA! 

[Devtek]

My ideal would be to have a minimum of three companions of each gender, one heterosexual, one bi-sexual and one homosexual, but make it random each play-through as to which orientation each is. The first male and female companions you meet are a completely random orientation, the second of each met is one of the other two orientations and the third is whatever the first two aren't. So if male one is bi-sexual and male two is heterosexual then male three will be homosexual. This kind of set-up increases the re-playability of the game significantly.

 

Even if each is always the same orientation, let us at least have to option to try to start a romance and be rejected.

 

Unfortunately then you would run into the case where the LI you are particularly interested in is not available, then you just spent hours to figure out that the game randomly **** or ***** blocked you. Your solution would only work if people didn't care who they wanted each particular inquisitor to go after...and looking at the 1000+ Cullen page, that is not the case on these boards at least.

[daveliam]

Unfortunately then you would run into the case where the LI you are particularly interested in is not available, then you just spent hours to figure out that the game randomly **** or ***** blocked you. Your solution would only work if people didn't care who they wanted each particular inquisitor to go after...and looking at the 1000+ Cullen page, that is not the case on these boards at least.

 

I also really dislike the idea of a character's sexuality being changed.  I don't have a problem if they all have the same sexuality, but I don't like them being straight sometimes and gay other times.  That's just me, though.  YMMV.

[Mockingword]

How about their sexuality doesn't come up? At all.

 

Ever.

 

No more pussyfooting around with bullshit innuendos. No more acting like dudes liking dudes is an issue when it's not damn well supposed to be. Just get straight to business.

 

(Business is kissing).

[Enigmatick]

How about their sexuality doesn't come up? At all.

 

I have the perfect solution to getting you this actually. Take romances out of future games.

[Mockingword]

I have the perfect solution to getting you this actually. Take romances out of future games.

Hurr durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

 

Alright, I'll take your bait.

 

Of course, it will have to be all romances, including NPC relationships, since they are also sexual in nature. In fact, they make up the vast majority of sexual content in Dragon Age, and they are everywhere.

 

Nobody has a husband or boyfriend. Nobody has a wife or a girlfriend. No secret crushes, no long lost loves, no bethothedsededs that need rescuing or what the **** ever. No brothels for the dudebros that like to exploit the wimmenz.

 

Where do the childtren keep coming from? Nobody knows! Cabbage patch, probably.

 

When BioWare makes that game, then they can take away romances (the only area where LGB content is seen at all), and I will not complain.

 

I won't buy the game, but I won't complain!

[Vapaa]

 

Just get straight to business.

 

 

Ha !

[TheWhitefire]

Ugh, race/class lockouts were annoying enough in Baldur's Gate 2 (come on, my Dwarf needs some lovin' too, yanno!) I'd rather not see those make a comeback.

That said, I sincerely hope that there are some decent romance options available to my man-love prefering counterparts out there. I don't care what gender a character prefers in a game, so long as the romance is actually interesting. Which is why I'm personally glad that Aveline wasn't romanceable, because I found her to be incredibly boring. Just... so dull.

Also, someone talked about romances with Passion and fights and stuff in them... wouldn't that be a rivalmance from Dragon Age 2? I've only experimented with one Rivalmance (Fem Hawke with Merrill) and it was... tense, to say the least.

I don't think Iron Bull is going to be romanceable (so far the only confirmed Romance we have is Cassandra) but if he is, I almost hope he'll be gay. Just as a counterpoint to Zevran. Also, I dunno. Iron Bull just seems like he should be gay.

EDIT: Also, Mockingword, correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the Seneschal in Dragon Age 2 had a thing with a particular elven drag queen from the Blooming Rose? And in both DA:O and DA2 you can choose to see the men and not just the women regardless of what gender your Protagonist is when you visit the brothels... so, I would have to disagree with your assertion that the Brothel's are for the "dudebros who like to exploit the wimmenz."

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I don't think Iron Bull is going to be romanceable (so far the only confirmed Romance we have is Cassandra) but if he is, I almost hope he'll be gay. Just as a counterpoint to Zevran. Also, I dunno. Iron Bull just seems like he should be gay.

And Cullen. 

[TheWhitefire]

Ah, touche! I should clarify the only confirmed /companion/ Romance is Cassandra. We don't know whether or not Cullen will be a companion at this point, though it seems unlikely.

[Monthar]

Ok, instead of random, how about a setting either in the options or at character creation to choose what type of romances, if any, you want. Make it four choices, 1) Bi-sexual (default), 2) Heterosexual, 3) Homosexual or 4) No Romance. Which ever you choose, all the companions are that orientation. If you choose the No romance option you won't ever have the flirtatious dialog option. This way everyone can have to experience they prefer without forcing any of them on anyone.

[JadePrince]

Ok, instead of random, how about a setting either in the options or at character creation to choose what type of romances, if any, you want. Make it four choices, 1) Bi-sexual (default), 2) Heterosexual, 3) Homosexual or 4) No Romance. Which ever you choose, all the companions are that orientation. If you choose the No romance option you won't ever have the flirtatious dialog option. This way everyone can have to experience they prefer without forcing any of them on anyone.

 

But that's just the thing, right? No one has any romance content "forced" on them. Romantic content is 100% optional. Why is it bad to have an obviously marked flirtatious dialogue option, since you can just chose not to use it?

 

Edit to keep this more lighthearded: On the other hand, I can't say I'd never want to play a game where everyone (even non-LI) in it is gay/bisexual. Lesbians, gay men, bisexuals everywhere. It'd be novel at least. 

[aTigerslunch]

Ok, instead of random, how about a setting either in the options or at character creation to choose what type of romances, if any, you want. Make it four choices, 1) Bi-sexual (default), 2) Heterosexual, 3) Homosexual or 4) No Romance. Which ever you choose, all the companions are that orientation. If you choose the No romance option you won't ever have the flirtatious dialog option. This way everyone can have to experience they prefer without forcing any of them on anyone.

Romance is optional, orientation is a fixed sexuality already. Now the question remains who is or isnt and how.

What you suggest requires way more time and money to implement. It doesn't fit their overall solution. Romance is part of Bioware games as it has been and I dont see that going away. Now to be improved upon is different but still time matters.