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...if nothing else I would to at least know why she female only...


Allan has said that Sera is female only because Luke wanted to make her a lesbian.

Your male pc can even try and romance her.


We don't know if this is true. After all, my female PC wasn't able to flirt with Morrigan, Miranda, Ashley, etc.

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We don't know if this is true. After all, my female PC wasn't able to flirt with Morrigan, Miranda, Ashley, etc.

Pure technicality Maria :P

 

I'm basing that on DA2 which let you express interest a lot more even if it wasn't returned (Aveline, Varric) and Traynor from ME3.



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Sera stuff again?!   :rolleyes:     

 

Straight males will have options of Cassandra or Vivienne, Cassandra or Scribbles, Cassandra, Vivienne or Scribbles as choices.


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I don't know what the big deal is about Sera being a lesbian. Unrequited love makes for great drama.


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Honestly, if BioWare has said there will be more romances, and the current speculation is at least 6 or more than 5 (the previous most in a BioWare game), then I'm guessing there would almost have to be 2 straights, one woman, one man; 2 bis, one woman, one man; 2 LBGT, one woman, one man. That way those of us who are of either a straight or LBGT orientation should have at least two possible LIs to choose from - the one matching our orientation and the bisexual. Does that mean, I might wind up pining for someone who doesn't exactly match my orientation? Maybe, but that's the price I pay for good characterization.

 

As someone who writes, you have to know your characters before you begin writing, and details like orientation are pretty important to who your characters are how they relate to the world around them. Trying to just blank that out and write a character with a Tabula Rasa orientation robs the characters of something, and it was pretty apparent in DA2.


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I'd argue that romance content is also a part of the "story" aspect, so I think it's safe to say that people are playing this game for the story.

On that note, Allan, what about a romance chart? Gaider mentioned it, but he doesn't have a say over releasing something like that. But if the devs would look at my thread regarding the romance chart, they will see how many fans are all for it. I think a chart would ease some of this worry, whether it brings happy news or disappointing news. And as many posters on my thread pointed out, a romance chart would be a wonderful guideline to help players strategize the social aspect of their playthroughs. Perhaps this information can be released with combat skill info, to make it fair for those who favor combat over romance. 


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On that note, Allan, what about a romance chart? Gaider mentioned it, but he doesn't have a say over releasing something like that. But if the devs would look at my thread regarding the romance chart, they will see how many fans are all for it. I think a chart would ease some of this worry, whether it brings happy news or disappointing news. And as many posters on my thread pointed out, a romance chart would be a wonderful guideline to help players strategize the social aspect of their playthroughs. Perhaps this information can be released with combat skill info, to make it fair for those who favor combat over romance. 

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I like the idea of having gay, bisexual and straight companions over having all bisexual ones or straight and a few bisexual ones. I do think you should be able to talk about sexuality with your companions. Like a straight companion could turn you down, straight companions should ask questions about your sexuality and stuff when they figure out, and it should be mentioned/joked about on occasion. I think that it shouldnt be ignored. If you're in a same sex romance, both you and the companion should mention that it was a  same sex romance.Except maybe Bioware wants the Dragon Age universe where nobody cares about sexuality and thinks it doesnt matter. They never use the words gay, straight or bisexual or anything so maybe people just like what they like and everyone respects that and understands that and doesnt really think about that. If thats the case, then maybe most the stuff i've said should be discarded. Straight companions should still turn you down though.

Also wit both gay and straight romances, other companions should notice and mention it more. 

EDIT: If the companions do have set sexual orientations, then they should have equal amount of companions in each sexuality and each sexuality should have a variety to match everybodys taste.

 

the problem with this is:

 

That not everybody likes everybody (!) - like say you have the DA:O companions and you only like say Alistair and Morrigan (both are straight, but you are a man and only play men because you like it that way, that means you can only have Morrigan - or worse: You are (as already said) a gay-man...that means: Have fun with Zevran (spelling? -.-)...or don't get any...sorry old pal!)

 

I would love to have the all bisexual thing back (why? - because it does not discriminate and if you want to view a character as straight, then he/she is straight...and it doesn't exclude or frustrate people...)

 

I mean, look at what we have ATM:

 

All the straight romances for DA:I are Chantry-People (or people who are close to the chantry at least):

 

Cassy (was/is a seeker and one of the divines closest and most trusted agents...she will probably not turn on the chantry, so you are stuck with that)

 

Vivienne (was set up to be a first enchanter, was involved in orlesian politics and dislikes the mage rebellion (so my conclusion is, that she does like or at least accept the chantry))

 

Now, if you are - like me - and play more or less yourself in the DA-Setting on your first run, then you are a straight, male, human and a mage (and you don't like the chantry because they want to lock you up...amongst other things they do to you)...so you would probably not want to romance a chantry-lover...so who's left?

 

Scribbles? (she's not a companion so the romance would probable not be as deep etc. :(

 

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I REALLY don't care.

It's not like they'll change it because -we- don't like it,

Deal with it and learn to like it. If not, boo hoo.

 

Seriously tired of seeing this.

I haven't seen so much crying over characters being gay/bi whatever in any other game.



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1000% agree OP

 

I feel you

 

and I don't even like Dorian already so that's 0 options for me : /



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No matter what the options are someone out there is going to be disappointed. It would be good to get some more info before people get too dramatic though.



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We don't know any of these characters yet.  I can not believe people can already say they do or do not like the NPC's.  If the writers believe they can do a better job writing characters without having them be playersexual then I'd rather have well written characters.  Sexuality is part (but not all of) identity along with gender, race, experience, etc. I'd rather have characters with set sexualities for that reason along with having queer characters that are queer for everyone.  We can not change the race and gender for NPC's, let's leave their sexualities alone too.

 

And on a whiny and perhaps a tad vindictive note: I'm a gay man who has played through countless games where my protagonist was forced to be straight.  In almost every game I played there was no ambiguity- straight, and usually liked a busty blond woman.  Hearing people complain because they don't get exactly the romance they want- especially based on assumptions about characters they haven't met yet seems shallow and childish.  Every player has options in this game, including the option to not romance anyone.   


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1000% agree OP

 

I feel you

 

and I don't even like Dorian already so that's 0 options for me : /

 

It's unfortunate, but the reality is that there will always be some people that dislike every single romance in the game.  It's unavoidable without a drastic refocus of the game (and even then I doubt we get it all).



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Though I am also worried about romance options, is it also connected and depending on what race you play?

 

And though in Dragon Age 2 Varric Tethras was giant effing tease, is there a chance he will be a possible love interest for female characters, since I am not sure what he would think of males fawning over him (even though there could be)...In Dragon Age 2 I could not choose either Anders or Fenris because they were too broody for my liking, anyway, but even with a rocky past, Varric is a strong character and his personality is defining despite that. And I do not believe he sleeps with everything that moves, I bet he has some standards and dignity. At least Aveline was more believable even with the rejection.

 

Silver-tongued, quick-witted, flirty, some-what greedy and every so charming he makes everyone believe he is other things when deep down he looks out for his friends, family, and has a heart of gold. I would make a female dwarf to be with the guy if I could but I did not have the choice anyway! If not I might be stuck with no choices again, endlessly flirting with the guy till it is sodding obvious, and have him always in my group while looking sadly at him from a distance. (Where did his leather feather duster went? He still looks great in the new outfit, but...?)



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In an older Bioware game called Jade Empire, you could romance Sky as either a male or female PC, but what set it apart was how different the romance was for male PCs. He is seemingly a heterosexual man, having lost his wife and daughter, and if you’re playing a female character he will openly flirt with you and show interest. As a male PC, he shows no romantic interest unless you completely rebuff the two female LI’s, at which point he will “approach you with his suspicions,” where you can admit to being interested in him. It makes him uncomfortable and he doesn’t want to talk about it anymore until he’s had time to think. He is hesitant and unsure about beginning a relationship with you if you are a male PC, but eventually he falls for you. On the other hand, as a female he is very easy to romance.

I really find this to be a great alternative to either making everyone openly bisexual or restricting options. It shows a plausible way for the PC to romance whichever LI they want while still taking gender and sexuality into account. The character actually falls for the PC because of who they are, maybe in some cases despite their predisposition, and they still take gender and their own sexuality into account. I don’t know why this hasn’t been done again in any of the DA games (or ME in that case), but I really thought it worked very well. Anyone else have an opinion?

I don't think so.  The initial conversation with him is just him asking why you haven't been interested in either of the female LI's.  I don't think that his romance initiates unless you actually express interest in him, after which then he comes back later to discuss your relationship.  I can't remember if there is any reaction from him if you pick the neutral "I'm just not interested in anyone" dialogue option.

Not really relevant to the main topic at hand, but I really don't like the idea of a male option only approaching you if you specifically reject all of the female LI's, like the OP stated was the case in Jade empire. 
 
I don't like the thought of having to "prove" your character is attracted to men by showing a lack of attraction to women, since the two are completely separate things. Not to mention the implication that your character must be gay if they reject the female LI's...

I know I'm late to the party, but I really wanted to comment on this.

I haven't played Jade Empire, so this is the first time I've heard about Sky's romance - and even if I had played, I likely would have done so as a female character, so Sky potentially being a m/m romance would never have occurred to me.

It sounds like a very interesting and subtle way to make a character available to either gender. What I like the most is that the player has complete control over the situation. If the player had rebuffed both girls' advances because he wasn't interested in them specifically rather than not interested in women at all, they could express that in dialogue and Sky would not make any further romantic advances himself.

There are a LOT of people who argue otherwise, but in DA2 I always assumed Anders was bisexual. He flirted with my female Hawke and never mentioned Karl, true, but he has banters with Isabela and other dialogue that suggest he is open to sexual encounters with either gender. It never bothered me, and I'm still surprised that the decision for Anders to not reveal his relationship with Karl to a female Hawke came directly from his writer, because it was "in character." You weren't fooling me, Anders. ;)

I think I WOULD have been bothered if (and completely empathize with) the complaints about Zevran being a bisexual with a strong preference for women had applied to Anders in reverse. That situation was even worse because Zevran was the only m/m option.

I think that for me, an ideal way to handle romances would be to have a spread of characters with defined preferences that provide equal representation on the surface, but fluid sexuality underneath that allows the player to pull strings to secure a particular character's romance as they desire. So, for example, Dorian might actively pursue a male Inquisitor, and Cullen might be easy to woo as a female Inquisitor, but both men would have dialogue paths enabling men or women to start a romance. If these paths are never triggered or explored, it's as if they don't exist - all sexualities can be represented without denying anyone a romance with the character of their preference. It goes without saying that it would be important to avoid alienating players of either gender as with Zevran; if a player jumps through hoops to romance Cullen as a man, Cullen should no longer display a preference for women.

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I know I'm late to the party, but I really wanted to comment on this.

I haven't played Jade Empire, so this is the first time I've heard about Sky's romance - and even if I had played, I likely would have done so as a female character, so Sky potentially being a m/m romance would never have occurred to me.

It sounds like a very interesting and subtle way to make a character available to either gender. What I like the most is that the player has complete control over the situation. If the player had rebuffed both girls' advances because he wasn't interested in them specifically rather than not interested in women at all, they could express that in dialogue and Sky would not make any further romantic advances himself.

There are a LOT of people who argue otherwise, but in DA2 I always assumed Anders was bisexual. He flirted with my female Hawke and never mentioned Karl, true, but he has banters with Isabela and other dialogue that suggest he is open to sexual encounters with either gender. It never bothered me, and I'm still surprised that the decision for Anders to not reveal his relationship with Karl to a female Hawke came directly from his writer, because it was "in character." You weren't fooling me, Anders. ;)

I think I WOULD have been bothered if (and completely empathize with) the complaints about Zevran being a bisexual with a strong preference for women had applied to Anders in reverse. That situation was even worse because Zevran was the only m/m option.

I think that for me, an ideal way to handle romances would be to have a spread of characters with defined preferences that provide equal representation on the surface, but fluid sexuality underneath that allows the player to pull strings to secure a particular character's romance as they desire. So, for example, Dorian might actively pursue a male Inquisitor, and Cullen might be easy to woo as a female Inquisitor, but both men would have dialogue paths enabling men or women to start a romance. If these paths are never triggered or explored, it's as if they don't exist - all sexualities can be represented without denying anyone a romance with the character of their preference. It goes without saying that it would be important to avoid alienating players of either gender as with Zevran; if a player jumps through hoops to romance Cullen as a man, Cullen should no longer display a preference for women.

The implications of that approach aren't symmetric, though. Convincing someone who starts with a predominantly gay preference into a straight romance has unpleasant implications that aren't really present the other way around.


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The implications of that approach aren't symmetric, though. Convincing someone who starts with a predominantly gay preference into a straight romance has unpleasant implications that aren't really present the other way around.


This is true. I'd prefer to have a predominantly gay companion over a completely ambiguous one like Fenris, but YMMV.

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The implications of that approach aren't symmetric, though. Convincing someone who starts with a predominantly gay preference into a straight romance has unpleasant implications that aren't really present the other way around.

 

Yeah, I'd either like all openly bisexual LI's or a mixture of bisexual with "fully" (bad choice, I know) straight or gay LI's.  I'm not a huge fan of the "I'm gay for you" or "I'm straight for you" storyline.  I don't mind bisexual LI's having preferences.  I just don't like it when they clearly prefer one over the other (and talk about ad nauseum......Zevran.....) and you don't have an option for another guy.  I think I might want to revisit Jade Empire.  I've only finished that game once, so my memory of the Sky romance is a bit vague.  I'd like to see how it holds up now that we have more examples of how m/m romances can be implemented.  I remember loving his romance the first time around because it was the only time that I also got a romance.  But the more I think of it, the more that I wonder if it was really clunky and not very well implemented.


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I think that for me, an ideal way to handle romances would be to have a spread of characters with defined preferences that provide equal representation on the surface, but fluid sexuality underneath that allows the player to pull strings to secure a particular character's romance as they desire. So, for example, Dorian might actively pursue a male Inquisitor, and Cullen might be easy to woo as a female Inquisitor, but both men would have dialogue paths enabling men or women to start a romance. If these paths are never triggered or explored, it's as if they don't exist - all sexualities can be represented without denying anyone a romance with the character of their preference. It goes without saying that it would be important to avoid alienating players of either gender as with Zevran; if a player jumps through hoops to romance Cullen as a man, Cullen should no longer display a preference for women.

 

As someone who has been told irl that my sexuality is a choice, that only men can be gay, that if I tried it I might like it, that I just haven't found the right man, etc., etc., please no. This way of handling romances wouldn't be representation for my sexuality and it brings up a lot of troubling tropes. And the idea that bisexual characters should have to hide who they are because they're in a relationship also has unpleasant implications.


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*snip* 

 

I don't mind bisexual LI's having preferences. I just don't like it when they clearly prefer one over the other.

 

I largely agree with you, but I don't see why bisexual LI's shouldn't "clearly prefer one over the other" and be able to express it. I view it the same as straight or gay characters clearly only being interested in individuals of the opposite or same sex, respectively, and letting you know about it.



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I largely agree with you, but I don't see why bisexual LI's shouldn't "clearly prefer one over the other" and be able to express it. I view it the same as straight or gay characters clearly only being interested in individuals of the opposite or same sex, respectively, and letting you know about it.


No, you are totally right. It was poorly worded on my point. What I meant was that the only options for one gender are people who clearly prefer the other gender. Like if both males prefer males, female players might feel like second choice and vice versa if they both prefer females for a male player. I like when they have preferences. I just want both preferences to be represented.
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No, you are totally right. It was poorly worded on my point. What I meant was that the only options for one gender are people who clearly prefer the other gender. Like if both males prefer males, female players might feel like second choice and vice versa if they both prefer females for a male player. I like when they have preferences. I just want both preferences to be represented.

 

That makes much sense, thanks for explaining  :)



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Bi players could get access to probably 4 if doing the 2/2/2 numbers.. :)   Just a thought, wonder how that triangle would pull itself apart. Confrontation between 4.

 

 

EDIT:   actually thought about it.. that is scarey and fun at the same time.



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As someone who has been told irl that my sexuality is a choice, that only men can be gay, that if I tried it I might like it, that I just haven't found the right man, etc., etc., please no. This way of handling romances wouldn't be representation for my sexuality and it brings up a lot of troubling tropes. And the idea that bisexual characters should have to hide who they are because they're in a relationship also has unpleasant implications.

I'm an asexual woman, so I'm with you on that first part...
I hadn't considered that depending on the player's gender, bisexuality might be cheapened in my proposal, so thank you for pointing that out. I was not a fan of Anders' omission in DA2. :)

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I rather have limited choices if it means that the characters have their own sexuality and preferences. Bioware did get a lot of heat for nearly everyone being Hawke-Sexual in DA2, so I doubt they would bring that back.

 

Besides, I'm sure there will be plenty of NPCs to hit on and even sleep with if you want that. 

 

If you're that concerned than get it on PC as there will most likely be Mods that will add more lovers to choose from or turn everyone Inquisitor-sexual.

 

As for hitting on characters that turn you down. Bioware has done this before with Aveline being a big example. No matter how hard you try Aveline isn't interested.

 

Bioware also has given the option to go against your lover, especially in DAII if you romance Anders. You can even call Anders out for blackmailing you.