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[aTigerslunch]

People got mad about Hawke-sexual and there are many that are mad at the set sexuality.  I guess some cant make up their minds. 

[Bugsie]

People got mad about Hawke-sexual and there are many that are mad at the set sexuality.  I guess some cant make up their minds. 

And some of them are the same people.  They only like restrictions on romance when it doesn't pertain to them (yes there has been a number of people I've seen say just this thing on this forum - in slightly more convoluted way).  Some of them don't even see the irony in their stance.

 

All I'm hoping for is good charactersation, compelling story and maybe a romance or two that takes my fancy.  I'm currently been replaying DA:O - really appreciating the story far more this time than I have previous times and not giving a toss about the romances.  Maybe it's the anticipation for Inquisition that has got me enthusiastic for the DA universe in general.

[aTigerslunch]

And some of them are the same people.  They only like restrictions on romance when it doesn't pertain to them (yes there has been a number of people I've seen say just this thing on this forum - in slightly more convoluted way).  Some of them don't even see the irony in their stance.

 

All I'm hoping for is good charactersation, compelling story and maybe a romance or two that takes my fancy.  I'm currently been replaying DA:O - really appreciating the story far more this time than I have previous times and not giving a toss about the romances.  Maybe it's the anticipation for Inquisition that has got me enthusiastic for the DA universe in general.

Yeah, well, guess iron is needed for them. 

 

I fancy checking out most of those romances, though would be nice to know the rest of them.   Very enthusiastic as well, replaying the original again. Female dwarves need attention, they lack attention.    I'm still going to say, bring on dwarven female quisitor for next trailer 

[daveliam]

And some of them are the same people.  They only like restrictions on romance when it doesn't pertain to them (yes there has been a number of people I've seen say just this thing on this forum - in slightly more convoluted way).  Some of them don't even see the irony in their stance.

 

All I'm hoping for is good charactersation, compelling story and maybe a romance or two that takes my fancy.  I'm currently been replaying DA:O - really appreciating the story far more this time than I have previous times and not giving a toss about the romances.  Maybe it's the anticipation for Inquisition that has got me enthusiastic for the DA universe in general.

 

This is what is boggling my mind.  I'm having conversations with people in these threads where they are now complaining about being restricted (mostly because they wanted Sera) even though I know that these were some of the same exact people who told me that I shouldn't complain about straight only male LI's because "it's realistic for them to have preferences".  Like, I actually remember having these conversations with them.  Blows. My. Mind.

[oceanicsurvivor]

This is what is boggling my mind.  I'm having conversations with people in these threads where they are now complaining about being restricted (mostly because they wanted Sera) even though I know that these were some of the same exact people who told me that I shouldn't complain about straight only male LI's because "it's realistic for them to have preferences".  Like, I actually remember having these conversations with them.  Blows. My. Mind.

 

It would seem that they expected the LGB players would get the 'leftovers' they didn't want. Go figure   And now that we got exclusive characters they actually liked and cared about (really, not even cared about, lets call it 'the character they most easily objectified' cause thats what it really is)...all of the representation Bioware has done is now simply pandering and blah blah blah. At this point, their true colors are showing through nice and bright and theres very little reason to engage again.

 

Unless maybe you want to link them to  a past post where they directly contradict themselves? That really feels like the only appropriate response nowadays.

[GVulture]

I would personally prefer it if the LIs were player sexual but each romance had a different arc based on gender. Allows for that great characterization arc that you get out of having set orientations but everyone gets to romance who they like with their preferred gender.

 

What matters most to me is the writing in said romance and thus far I have yet to see a strongly written bisexual arc besides Isabela's. All of the others seem to exist in an AU where their preferred gender is whatever the PC is.

 

What bothers me isn't the irony about wishing for a system that gives them more choices while taking away others... it is the amount of people that can't come up with reasons to hate on their given choices other that "they're ugly" because some of these people... it comes out more like "I don't like the color of HER skin, and I don't like the color of HER skin, and I don't like that SHE has more muscles than me. I wanted to romance the skinny blonde girl."

[Bugsie]

This is what is boggling my mind. I'm having conversations with people in these threads where they are now complaining about being restricted (mostly because they wanted Sera) even though I know that these were some of the same exact people who told me that I shouldn't complain about straight only male LI's because "it's realistic for them to have preferences". Like, I actually remember having these conversations with them. Blows. My. Mind.

And now that 'realism™' bites them in the behind they don't like it. Many gifs come to mind, they involve a swear word and relates all the things I give about their lack of preferences.

 

I've seen it mostly with Sera, but friends have told me they've seen it with Dorian too. I'd laugh if I wasn't crying with frustration at the idiocy of it.

[daveliam]

 

What matters most to me is the writing in said romance and thus far I have yet to see a strongly written bisexual arc besides Isabela's. All of the others seem to exist in an AU where their preferred gender is whatever the PC is.

 

Zev definitely didn't prefer males when I romanced him as males......

[Grieving Natashina]

Unless maybe you want to link them to a past post where they directly contradict themselves? That really feels like the only appropriate response nowadays.

I second this.

 

Zev definitely didn't prefer males when I romanced him as males......

Unlike Leliana talking about her relationship with women, he never mentions anything about a past history with men outside of a purely sexual one.  He certainly did seem to prefer the ladies over the gentlemen.

[Super Drone]

 

What bothers me isn't the irony about wishing for a system that gives them more choices while taking away others... it is the amount of people that can't come up with reasons to hate on their given choices other that "they're ugly" because some of these people... it comes out more like "I don't like the color of HER skin, and I don't like the color of HER skin, and I don't like that SHE has more muscles than me. I wanted to romance the skinny blonde girl."

 

I don't like any of my possible options because everything I know says they're austere and emotionally reserved. Not every straight guy wants a romance about taming the Mean Girl. If the writers decided to make the only female who smiles f/f only I will be sad. Feedback from the writers seems to indicate that concerns like that aren't a concern to them.

 

And  the record: physically I think they both look quite pretty. what they look like just isn't very important to me.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Unlike Leliana talking about her relationship with women, he never mentions anything about a past history with men outside of a purely sexual one.  He certainly did seem to prefer the ladies over the gentlemen.

He says Taliesen was a good friend "and more" after you kill him, so it's implied Zevran had something with him and it seems like he did care about Taliesen. It's easy to miss, but it makes the situation with Rinna (the female assassin that died) a bit more complex. It seems they had kind of a love triangle going on.

 

In general, though, I do think he favored women, but I don't feel like others had that problem, or the opposite. Personally, I've never had a problem with the bisexual LI arcs being the same for both genders. I think it makes perfect sense that they would respond the same way to the same lines as said by a man or a woman. I actually like it better that way. 

[Allan Schumacher]

I don't like any of my possible options because everything I know says they're austere and emotionally reserved. Not every straight guy wants a romance about taming the Mean Girl. If the writers decided to make the only female who smiles f/f only I will be sad. Feedback from the writers seems to indicate that concerns like that aren't a concern to them.
 
And  the record: physically I think they both look quite pretty. what they look like just isn't very important to me.

 

 

The important thing to ask yourself, then, is whether or not you believe we'd write several different romances that are all very similar to each other.

[Bugsie]

Zev definitely didn't prefer males when I romanced him as males......

I'm currently playing a Dalish male PC and romancing Zevran.  He was really the only LI for my male PC that I liked. I did certainly feel that his preference was for women (several coversations allude to that) but went ahead anyway.  Aside from Taliesan all his stories involve seducing women (so far that I've encountered).

 

 

I don't like any of my possible options because everything I know says they're austere and emotionally reserved. Not every straight guy wants a romance about taming the Mean Girl. If the writers decided to make the only female who smiles f/f only I will be sad. Feedback from the writers seems to indicate that concerns like that aren't a concern to them.

 

And  the record: physically I think they both look quite pretty. what they look like just isn't very important to me.

Yes, because a women who isn't smiling is always austere, the mean girl and all the other dumb stereotypes you can come up with.  I also love the idea that because they look a certain way must automatically mean they're emotionally reserved.  I know plenty of women who are reserved in front of people they don't know but are all matter of fun and frivolity and emotionally open with close friends and family (several guys I know are like this too).

 

You say you think they're physically pretty and that isn't important but then prior to that make judgements on a characters personality because they're not smiling??? 

[Ryzaki]

If I find myself in a game where I don't like any of the LIs I do something really simple.

 

I make a PC that I find attractive, have them act like my preferences in a person and keep them single. I guess I'm weird? But that's usually more than enough eyecandy for me and the lack of an LI in the game that I prefer doesn't matter anymore. I have them be friends with everyone (or nearly everyone) as well.

 

But I fully admit I am strange.

[daveliam]

He was really the only LI for my male PC that I liked.

 

He was the only LI for your male PC.....period.  That's kind of why I always found his strong preference for females and his "asking for permission" to flirt with guys always sat poorly with me.  I really did get the impression that he was written for female PCs in mind, which is fine in general, but really only having him as my option make me kind of resent him a bit.  I know that alot of guys like him, so I'm aware that it's just my opinion, but it's something that I just never got over.  Zev is my least favorite m/m LI ever in Bioware (these reasons, plus the fact that he falls into the promiscuous bisexual trope).

[Super Drone]

The important thing to ask yourself, then, is whether or not you believe we'd write several different romances that are all very similar to each other.

 

I'm confident all the different Romances in the game will be different.

 

I'm not confident the Race and Gender gating will leave any one orientation with divergent options. I am not confident the team thinks of that as a priority. Which they aren't obligated to, hence why I expressed disappointment, not outrage.

[Allan Schumacher]

I'm confident all the different Romances in the game will be different.

 

I'm not confident the Race and Gender gating will leave any one orientation with divergent options. I am not confident the team thinks of that as a priority. Which they aren't obligated to, hence why I expressed disappointment, not outrage.

 

Sorry, I mistook your post as saying you don't like any of the possible options, regardless of any type of gating (barring maybe Sera, since hers is known).

[Super Drone]

I'm currently playing a Dalish male PC and romancing Zevran.  He was really the only LI for my male PC that I liked. I did certainly feel that his preference was for women (several coversations allude to that) but went ahead anyway.  Aside from Taliesan all his stories involve seducing women (so far that I've encountered).

 

 

Yes, because a women who isn't smiling is always austere, the mean girl and all the other dumb stereotypes you can come up with.  I also love the idea that because they look a certain way must automatically mean they're emotionally reserved.  I know plenty of women who are reserved in front of people they don't know but are all matter of fun and frivolity and emotionally open with close friends and family (several guys I know are like this too).

 

You say you think they're physically pretty and that isn't important but then prior to that make judgements on a characters personality because they're not smiling??? 

 

Sorry, I was being flippant and trying for succinct when I said "smiling". 

 

I'm making judgments based on what I know of the personalities of the characters from the same media you no doubt have been exposed to. Vivienne is a ruthless politico and Social Darwinist, her bio flat out explains it. Cassandra approaches everything interaction we've seen her in with emotional barriers a mile high. I have trouble thinking of a Romance path with either of them that isn't either a Rivalmance, or you having to pry your way through layers of emotional armor. Both are no doubt different types of Rivalmances or layers of emotional armor, but it's both still the "Defrosting the Ice Queen" trope.

 

which does nothing for me.  I'm happy for those who are.  And, I'll be happy if I'm proven wrong, if Cass is actually the tired, lonely, solider who just wants to loved under all the pulling-knives-on-people-in-every-conversation, then I'll happily eat my words.

 

But I am not confident. I'm also not angry and feeling entitled. Just not feeling confident.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

He was the only LI for your male PC.....period.  That's kind of why I always found his strong preference for females and his "asking for permission" to flirt with guys always sat poorly with me.  I really did get the impression that he was written for female PCs in mind, which is fine in general, but really only having him as my option make me kind of resent him a bit.  I know that alot of guys like him, so I'm aware that it's just my opinion, but it's something that I just never got over.  Zev is my least favorite m/m LI ever in Bioware (these reasons, plus the fact that he falls into the promiscuous bisexual trope).

It felt abit weird to me that all the bi characters so far apart from Leliana seemed to much prefer the opposite sex, i used to dislike that Isabella would almost exclusively talk about how she loved men when she was dating my F!Hawke, would make me abit insecure if i had a gf who talked about wanting men that much.

[naddaya]

It felt abit weird to me that all the bi characters so far apart from Leliana seemed to much prefer the opposite sex, i used to dislike that Isabella would almost exclusively talk about how she loved men when she was dating my F!Hawke, would make me abit insecure if i had a gf who talked about wanting men that much.

 

I didn't get that impression. "Men are only good for one thing, women are good for six" Also, Isabela is more possessive with femHawke. I don't remember the exact lines, pretty sure they were in MOTA though.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

I didn't get that impression. "Men are only good for one thing, women are good for six" Isabela is more possessive with femHawke. I don't remember the exact lines, pretty sure they were in MOTA though.

I remember that, just bothered me abit that she almost exclusively talks about & flirts with men when dating a female Hawke apart from a few lines, i always found her reaction in MOTA to be abit weird tbh.

[Little Princess Peach]

So in other words, every character is still bisexual, but they just pretend they aren't? 

 

To be honest, no I don't support that. Every character doesn't need to be romanceable by the PC just because you want to. You shouldn't be able to have control over a character like that in a game anymore than you should have control over that in real life. So making every character different for the sake of a thirty second, dry hump is a little demeaning to them. I didn't want to mod Traynor into a romanceable NPC even though she would have went well with a Shepard I made because that was here character, she was lesbian and just as in real life, I, or rather Shepard, accepted that. Changing a person for my own selfish reasons is asinine and childish. 

you do realise these romanceable 'people' are not real right? it's not childish if you want to mod an npc, yes it would be in real life but face it Games are not real life, I respect your opinion but you have to see it from all points of view not just a black and white one

[Ashelsu]

I remember that, just bothered me abit that she almost exclusively talks about & flirts with men when dating a female Hawke apart from a few lines, i always found her reaction in MOTA to be abit weird tbh.

That's because f/f NPC  relationships didn't exist in DA2. Bethany showed cautious interest in her gender? Quick, make her drool over Sebastian. I sometimes felt like my FHawke was a freak of the nature.

[CareBear1023]

He was the only LI for your male PC.....period.  That's kind of why I always found his strong preference for females and his "asking for permission" to flirt with guys always sat poorly with me.  I really did get the impression that he was written for female PCs in mind, which is fine in general, but really only having him as my option make me kind of resent him a bit.  I know that alot of guys like him, so I'm aware that it's just my opinion, but it's something that I just never got over.  Zev is my least favorite m/m LI ever in Bioware (these reasons, plus the fact that he falls into the promiscuous bisexual trope).

 

I understand what you are saying but also understand that women make up 50% of the public, and we are also game players.  For years, just like you we've been in many ways second class citizens.

 

Legend of Zelda's Link, Fable, Witcher, ...you name it we've been forced to be male characters romancing women.  Or just male characters period.  The female characters have boobs like Barbie, and are drawn for men. 

 

We play games in parity with men and are still afterthoughts.  If they made Zevran a love interest for both it was probably because doing the math the number of gay male players at the time were not as many as women, not because anyone's partial to us.  They're not.

[CareBear1023]

So in other words, every character is still bisexual, but they just pretend they aren't? 

 

To be honest, no I don't support that. Every character doesn't need to be romanceable by the PC just because you want to. You shouldn't be able to have control over a character like that in a game anymore than you should have control over that in real life. So making every character different for the sake of a thirty second, dry hump is a little demeaning to them. I didn't want to mod Traynor into a romanceable NPC even though she would have went well with a Shepard I made because that was here character, she was lesbian and just as in real life, I, or rather Shepard, accepted that. Changing a person for my own selfish reasons is asinine and childish. 

 

Umm, why not?  Why shouldn't gay players get their characters or straight players theirs?  We're paying money to lose ourselves in a fantasy.  If we wanted to live in the real world we wouldn't pay $70 to play the game.

 

And for the gay posters who like Allistair--stick with Zevran, Allistair just dumps you at the end anyway because he's king.