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[daveliam]

How does that change what I said? Sky was bisexaul, but he was uncomfortable with the idea until the PC encouraged it. Is that something that happens in real life? Yes. Should every person be like that because the fans want to romance everyone? No.

 

So how again, exactly, was Sky being changed.  That's what you said earlier.  That the player had control over him in a way that you think isn't appropriate.  So how is your point at all related to what the OP is talking about.  Your point is against playersexuality, which isn't what the OP is talking about.  Unless, again, you are against any and all character development that happens when a character is being romanced.

 

No it's not. Why would I throw a tantrum when BioWare's already taken my way of thinking from the looks of it? If anything, you're angry that BioWare doesn't take your stance on romance with their characters, not me. If anything, your trying to imply that my statements that wanting something for yourself because of your own want is selfish, which is the definition of the word by the way, is somehow a degrading tantrum just shows your own insecurities not mine.

 

Go back and read my posts.  In this thread or in any others in the past six months.  You'll see that I'm perfectly fine with this approach to romances provided I get the same number of options as everyone else.  So, once again, you are incorrect.

 

My issue is with the rude and inappropriate name calling approach that you take whenever this topic comes up.  Not with your opinion itself.  With the rude and insulting way in which you present your opinion.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Sam?

Samantha Traynor.

[Spirit Keeper]

So it's fine to change Alistair into a bisexual but it's wrong and evil to change Sam? Ah Bioware forums, never change.

How do you know Alistair isn't Bisexual like Kaidan is and he just hasn't said something about it yet? You don't know that, you weren't there.

[Cobra's_back]

@ Thumb Fu

 

So true. The romance is boring. It is there to get a trophy and it is not realistic at all. I could just see score point above my mates head. 

[daveliam]

Is a romance that important? It is just a game. Most of the time I don't romance anyone. 

 

For some people it's not that important of a feature.  For others it is.  YMMV, I guess.

 

So it's fine to change Alistair into a bisexual but it's wrong and evil to change Sam? Ah Bioware forums, never change.

 

Another strawman argument?  Ah, Bioware forums, never change.

[Mr.House]

I like how it's strawman when it's on the other side.

[daveliam]

I like how it's starwman when it's on the other side.

 

Meh.  A strawman is a strawman, regardless of who's using it.  If I use one, I expect to get called out on it.

[Cobra's_back]

Not everybody feels that way though. To me and a lot of other people, romances are that important.

 

Okay. They are so important someone needs to mod their conversation tree. I get it. 

[AresKeith]

How do you know Alistair isn't Bisexual like Kaidan is and he just hasn't said something about it yet? You don't know that, you weren't there.

 

 

Another strawman argument?  Ah, Bioware forums, never change.

 

Not really a strawman since both mods changes a character to suit someone's own needs

[daveliam]

Not really a strawman since both mods changes a character to suit someone's own needs

 

The strawman isn't about the mods.  It's about the evaluation of the mods.  It's the use of hyperbole by stating that a Sam mod (which no one mentioned, btw) is "wrong and evil", whereas an Alistair mod is "fine".  It's the exaggeration of the opinion by stating that if you take up the point of the other poster, then the next logical step is that you must view a Sam mod as "wrong and evil" even though no one brought up Sam or discussed any modding of a gay character at all.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

If we had the playersexual route, this argument wouldn't be happening. 

[Hellion Rex]

If we had the playersexual route, this argument wouldn't be happening. 

Well, we don't, so deal with it.

[Mr.House]

The strawman isn't about the mods.  It's about the evaluation of the mods.  It's the use of hyperbole by stating that a Sam mod (which no one mentioned, btw) is "wrong and evil", whereas an Alistair mod is "fine".  It's the exaggeration of the opinion by stating that if you take up the point of the other poster, then the next logical step is that you must view a Sam mod as "wrong and evil" even though no one brought up Sam or discussed any modding of a gay character at all.

Not really, people here are clearly supporting the mod that allows Alistair and Morrigan to have same sex, the Sam mod on the other hand had many people bashed the mod including it's creator. It's called being a hypocrite.

[daveliam]

Okay. They are so important someone needs to mod their conversation tree. I get it. 

 

People will mod just about anything, to be honest.  If it's not happening in my game, my opinion is that it doesn't really matter that much to me.

 

If we had the playersexual route, this argument wouldn't be happening. 

 

Well, to be fair, we'd probably be having a different argument that we've also had about a million times.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well, we don't, so deal with it.

So you prefer this place to have even more arguments than it already does? 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well, to be fair, we'd probably be having a different argument that we've also had about a million times.

That's why I said 'this argument', and I was careful to phrase it that way. 

[Thumb Fu]

I think derailing this topic into an argument of forcing sexuality on a character is unnecessary, i think Mr.House you may have actually misinterpreted slightly what has been said unless i have missed something. I don't believe people are saying it's ok to change Traynor's sexual orientation but it's abhorrent to mess with Alistair, there are certainly a few viewpoints in this topic right now but that doesn't seem to be one of them, again if i've missed something let me know.

 

Back to the topic though. I think making every character bisexual is one way of opening all options to everybody, however quality has to suffer, there is probably a venn diagram out there that expresses it to a tea. If each character has their own orientation a lot more of that character's trials and tribulations and life experience can be explored, just something to consider.

 

edit for god aweful typo

[Spirit Keeper]

Not really, people here are clearly supporting the mod that allows Alistair and Morrigan to have same sex, the Sam mod on the other hand had many people bashed the mod including it's creator. It's called being a hypocrite.

Well so far I haven't seen anyone on this thread say using these mods is wrong like you seem to think. So unless someone makes that comment here then there is no hypocrisy. 

[Mr.House]

Well so far I haven't seen anyone on this thread say using these mods is wrong like you seem to think. So unless someone makes that comment here then there is no hypocrisy. 

There is when names are recognizable.

[daveliam]

Not really, people here are clearly supporting the mod that allows Alistair and Morrigan to have same sex, the Sam mod on the other hand had many people bashed the mod including it's creator. It's called being a hypocrite.

 

 

Again with the name calling?  What is it about the opposition for all bisexual LI's that makes them think that name-calling is the best way to win an argument?

 

BTW, no one in this thread has made any statement about not supporting a Sam mod.  Perhaps they don't, but you don't know that based on what's been said here.  Either you are discussing things from other threads, which is fine but just makes it unclear unless you specify that, or you are making giant assumptions about the people who are posting in this thread.

[Mr.House]

Again with the name calling?  What is it about the opposition for all bisexual LI's that makes them think that name-calling is the best way to win an argument?

 

/implying I'm against all bisexual as my opinion on the matter has already been stated on the forums already

[Mr.House]

Again with the name calling?  What is it about the opposition for all bisexual LI's that makes them think that name-calling is the best way to win an argument?

 

BTW, no one in this thread has made any statement about not supporting a Sam mod.  Perhaps they don't, but you don't know that based on what's been said here.  Either you are discussing things from other threads, which is fine but just makes it unclear unless you specify that, or you are making giant assumptions about the people who are posting in this thread.

Names are recognizable, I won't list names clear reasons. The fact is, there is hypocrites in this thread that seem to have no issues with the Alistair and Morrigan mod but had issues with the mod for Sam. I'm not saying it's the OP or you.

[Spirit Keeper]

Names are recognizable, I won't list names clear reasons. The fact is, there is hypocrites int his thread that seem to have no issues with the Alistair and Morrigan mod but had issues with the mod for Sam. I'm not saying it's the OP or you.

Okay then, but why do you seem to be so against it?

[daveliam]

Names are recognizable, I won't list names clear reasons. The fact is, there is hypocrites int his thread that seem to have no issues with the Alistair and Morrigan mod but had issues with the mod for Sam. I'm not saying it's the OP or you.

 

Then perhaps it's best to take it up with them in PM, so as to avoid this line of conversation.....?  Especially given that this thread isn't about modding sexuality.

[Mr.House]

Okay then, but why do you seem to be so against it?

I'm against any mod that changes a character from it's creators vision. Bug fixes, a morph tweak, a value change ect are fine, but changing a characters skin colour, gender what have you? Nope I don't support it and I don't care if it's a mod and I have every right in this thread to voice my distaste for that mod since it is part of the conversation.