Ce sujet est fermé
I think Mr. House is talking about anyone foolish enough to have romanced Jacob in ME2. What happens when you see him in ME3. Glad I never romanced him.
It sucks, I'm not saying it doesn't. But having a fourth LI carried over from the previous game cut isn't worse than only having 2 LIs and not having ever had any to carry over from the last game, is all I'm saying.
I understand why straight women were disappointed with ME3 in comparison to straight males, though.
(Offtopic): Do you happen to be Irish Rowe?
The best solution to this problem is all the LIs turning the PC down with a vague "you're not my type" with no follow up explanation given whatsoever. Voila! Less resources used, everyone gets equal treatment and no one whines about player "X" getting a better romance option than player "Y". Finally get to play the actual game.
The best solution to this problem is all the LIs turning the PC down with a vague "you're not my type" with no follow up explanation given whatsoever. Voila! Less resources used, everyone gets equal treatment and no one whines about player "X" getting a better romance option than player "Y". Finally get to play the actual game.
I like this suggestion.
With Sky and with Zevern I felt the same things- first, YAY! I get a romance! Second- annoyance, I have to jump through a bunch of hoops and not be nice to the ladis to get SKy, and he doesn't decide until the end that he cares abut me. Annoyed with Zevern because he may be comfortable with sex, maybe not so much his sexuality and definitely not intimacy. Annoyed with Zevern because he is many types of gay stereotypes (oversexed, interested only in sex, flamboyant, flitatious, and a little girly) Annoyed in both that they were my only options. Infused in all of this was interest and respect. They were characters with complexity. Sky was struggling with grief and loss, and unclear about his own feelings towards you. It would make sense that he is not easy to romance. Zeveren is Zeveren, he is all of those things, I did not find him insulting, I just didn't much want to romance him- he was fun and funny and clever.
The point is, both these romances were with more fully rounded characters. They weren't exactly what I wanted, but I understood them. I'd like to be able to romance the character I found most compelling, but I'd rather characters have their sexuality set, without that they feel generic- not lived in- pliable. I would like to flirt with whomever I like, and if I get turned down- fine, bromance it is, ut I don't see my inquisitor not speaking his mind to a companion he or she is close to.
The best solution to this problem is all the LIs turning the PC down with a vague "you're not my type" with no follow up explanation given whatsoever. Voila! Less resources used, everyone gets equal treatment and no one whines about player "X" getting a better romance option than player "Y". Finally get to play the actual game.
Hey, I'm not sure if you know this, but I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Romances are part of the actual game. And, despite the amount of times that you pretend like they are not, they remain one of the most popular aspects of Bioware games. You don't have to like them and, fantastic news for you, they are optional so you don't have to play them either!
Annoyed with Zevern because he is many types of gay stereotypes (oversexed, interested only in sex, flamboyant, flitatious, and a little girly)
I sort of understand people being annoyed that Zevran portrayed the "promiscuous bisexual" stereotype, even if that doesn't personally bother me, but I don't think he was flamboyant or "girly". I don't really see where that comes from.
Flamboyant and girly? Yeah....no.
Straight women got more options, so I don't see how. Kaidan was our only companion LI and he was available to both genders. Cortez definitely is not a better option than Garrus and Thane.
Femshep only had two straight romances in ME3, they lost Jacob who cheats on you and Thane who dies very early. If Kaidan is dead and you did not romance Garrus, you have no romance to choose from if you're playing a straight female where S/S and M/F you have choices if you didn't have a romance in the past games.
I sort of understand people being annoyed that Zevran portrayed the "promiscuous bisexual" stereotype, even if that doesn't personally bother me, but I don't think he was flamboyant or "girly". I don't really see where that comes from.
Yeah, Zev's mannerism remind me of Ezio's mannerism's before his parents got killed, a little flashy but not flamboyant or girly.
Femshep only had two straight romances in ME3, they lost Jacob who cheats on you and Thane who dies very early. Kaidan is dead and you did not romance Garrus, you have no romance to choose from if you're playing a straight fmeal,e where S/S and M/F you have chocies if you didn't have a romance in the past games.
Yeah, straight females are the only players who could potentially have zero LI's in ME 3. Lesbians always have two (Liara and Samantha); straight and gay guys always have one (Liara and Steve, respectively). But as stated, straight females could potentially have zero.
In any give game:
Straight males - 1-3 LI's
Lesbians - 2 LI's
Gay males - 1-2 LI's
Straight females - 0-2 LI's
Hey, I'm not sure if you know this, but I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Romances are part of the actual game. And, despite the amount of times that you pretend like they are not, they remain one of the most popular aspects of Bioware games. You don't have to like them and, fantastic news for you, they are optional so you don't have to play them either!
I still kind of prefer they just nuke them sometimes.
We wouldn't have the issue brought up in the thread for starters.
Plus, I'd imagine they could then put more effort into friendships/rivalry paths with companions and this is something all PCs can enjoy.
Hey, I'm not sure if you know this, but I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Romances are part of the actual game. And, despite the amount of times that you pretend like they are not, they remain one of the most popular aspects of Bioware games. You don't have to like them and, fantastic news for you, they are optional so you don't have to play them either!
I don't think I have to pretend here. Optional content with minimal effect and barely integrated into the actual story-line is what it is. To you maybe it's more and something you can't go without, but that doesn't automatically increase its worth than it really is. Anyway, I'd rather not get into that argument with you again. I think we both are well aware of what each other has to say about it.
Personally, I would take "potentially zero" and also "potentially 2 companion LIs and an NPC LI/returning past companion LI" over "potentially one NPC LI" and max "potentially one companion LI and one new NPC LI". To me, the spread straight females got in ME3 was still superior. I don't really think always having Cortez makes up for the potential extra companion LI and the NPC LI being a return companion with more plot relevance. The fact is, they still had the content available and could take the steps to utilize it, if they wanted. It is a worse deal than straight guys, but I still don't see the situation for gay males as superior. I'd rather have difficult to access content than less content, if those are my only options.
I don't think I have to pretend here. Optional content with minimal effect and barely integrated into the actual story-line is what it is. To you maybe it's more and something you can't go without, but that doesn't automatically increase its worth than it really is. Anyway, I'd rather not get into that argument with you again. I think we both are well aware of what each other has to say about it.
If you continue to act as if romance content isn't popular then you are pretending.
And it seems we will continue to have these conversations as long as you continue to come into threads discussing romance and then make dismissive comments about people who play the romance content. I don't follow you into other threads, so the only place where we have these conversations are here in the threads devoted to discussing romances.
If you continue to act as if romance content isn't popular then you are pretending.
And it seems we will continue to have these conversations as long as you continue to come into threads discussing romance and then make dismissive comments about people who play the romance content. I don't follow you into other threads, so the only place where we have these conversations are here in the threads devoted to discussing romances.
And you are pretending that popular immediately means prominent.
Don't really understand what is wrong with expressing my opinion on it though. Should I stay out of the thread because I do not share your view on it? I'm not dismissing romance itself nor the people who indulge in them, that's your assumption. It's just that whenever I see people counting number of romance options available between each others sexuality groups, and then compare them with what they got and what the other person got, then be dissatisfied instead of being grateful to actually having them in the game, I tend to say such things.
I didn't follow you into the thread if that's what you're implying, I read some posts and decided to post what I thought about romances, as this is a discussion about romances.
Personally, I would take "potentially zero" and also "potentially 2 companion LIs and an NPC LI/returning past companion LI" over "potentially one NPC LI" and max "potentially one companion LI and one new NPC LI". To me, the spread straight females got in ME3 was still superior. I don't really think always having Cortez makes up for the potential extra companion LI and the NPC LI being a return companion with more plot relevance. The fact is, they still had the content available and could take the steps to utilize it, if they wanted. It is a worse deal than straight guys, but I still don't see the situation for gay males as superior. I'd rather have difficult to access content than less content, if those are my only options.
I think both groups got the shaft. Gay guys only get 2 max LI's but I found both to be good romances at least, straight women potentially have Garrus or Kaidan which are also good however imo if you romanced Jacob or Thane it's worse than if they had just not been in the game, especially Jacob. Who wants a LI that cheats on you, knocks up some other woman, and then dumps you? Straight guys had it made in the shade with the potential of Liara, Jack, Miranda, Ashley, Tali, Kelly, and even potato face (Allers). Straight women did get the best LI in the series though (Garrus). I wasn't really upset by this spread since I play all genders and orientations and do a lot of playthroughs but it is pretty telling :/
And you are pretending that popular immediately means prominent.
Don't really understand what is wrong with expressing my opinion on it though. Should I stay out of the thread because I do not share your view on it? I'm not dismissing romance itself nor the people who indulge in them, that's your assumption. It's just that whenever I see people counting number of romance options available between each others sexuality groups, and then compare them with what they got and what the other person got, then be dissatisfied instead of being grateful to actually having them in the game, I tend to say such things.
I didn't follow you into the thread if that's what you're implying, I read some posts and decided to post what I thought about romances, as this is a discussion about romances.
Sorry. Let me clarify a few things:
1.) I do not mean to suggest that you followed me here. I meant that we run into each other because we are both in the romance threads.
2.) Nowhere do I conflate popular with prominent. This thread isn't about the prominence of the feature. It's about someone feeling concerned about the change in the feature because they don't want to feel left out on content. It's never been about the prominence of the feature. You seem to be the one who is confusing "optional" with "unimportant". Two different things.
3.) When you make statements about "the actual game", then, yes, you are making veiled slights against the people who enjoy the romance feature by implying that they aren't actually playing the game. Dress it up all you like, but that's the implication of your statement. The OP expressed a concern about something that has historic precedent and you responded with, "Well, I hope they just scrap that whole feature since it's not part of the actual game....." You don't think that seems like you were trying to be dismissive? Unless, you feel like you can explain how else people are supposed to interpret your statement.....?
It's just that whenever I see people counting number of romance options available between each others sexuality groups, and then compare them with what they got and what the other person got, then be dissatisfied instead of being grateful to actually having them in the game, I tend to say such things.
ETA: This statement is exactly the problem, in my opinion. It equates to, "Be quiet and be happy with what you get....." It's a pretty awful and offensive stance, in my opinion.
I think both groups got the shaft. Gay guys only get 2 max LI's but I found both to be good romances at least, straight women potentially have Garrus or Kaidan which are also good however imo if you romanced Jacob or Thane it's worse than if they had just not been in the game, especially Jacob. Who wants a LI that cheats on you, knocks up some other woman, and then dumps you? Straight guys had it made in the shade with the potential of Liara, Jack, Miranda, Ashley, Tali, Kelly, and even potato face (Allers). Straight women did get the best LI in the series though (Garrus). I wasn't really upset by this spread since I play all genders and orientations and do a lot of playthroughs but it is pretty telling :/
I agree that both groups definitely got a worse deal than straight guys, absolutely. I didn't think Cortez was a good LI, though. He has no plot relevance, he doesn't express much by way of beliefs on your missions or anything pertaining to the in game world. All I know about him still is that he can fly a ship and that his husband died.
I did really like Kaidan as an LI, though. He's probably my favorite m/m LI in a Bioware game so far. Granted, the competition hasn't gotten that intense yet. lol
I'm not dismissing romance itself nor the people who indulge in them, that's your assumption. It's just that whenever I see people counting number of romance options available between each others sexuality groups, and then compare them with what they got and what the other person got, then be dissatisfied instead of being grateful to actually having them in the game, I tend to say such things.
What you just said is inherently dismissive.
"I'm not being dismissive, but when I see people giving negative feedback on this feature, I just have to tell them they should take what they get and shut up."
It sucks, I'm not saying it doesn't. But having a fourth LI carried over from the previous game cut isn't worse than only having 2 LIs and not having ever had any to carry over from the last game, is all I'm saying.
I understand why straight women were disappointed with ME3 in comparison to straight males, though.
I agree. After looking at the numbers it didn't seem right. I do hope they correct this in DAI. You should have more choices. 
Guest_Caladin_*
OP i dont believe you will or should have any concerns tbh.
Sigh.............. romances,romances romances
I've liked 3 out of the Bioware games ive played, Morrigan,Alistair and Liara, all for one reason only, they all add to my characters story and the overall story, Morrigan an Alistair in DAO particularly do well to add more to the story than any other romance in any bioware game an i but wish they would do more like that regardless of there sexuality.
When the romances add nothing to the actual story as (for me personally) they all did in DA2 then i question why the resources are used in the first place to put them there, i would rather have 1 romance option available to everyone regardless of gender with the resources from potentially all romance options with a meaningfull story/consequence/choice an in depth relationship that expands the game than (again personal opinion) the cheese of DA2.
If thats not possible then again just raise it to the Alistair/Morrigan levels of integration
I agree that both groups definitely got a worse deal than straight guys, absolutely. I didn't think Cortez was a good LI, though. He has no plot relevance, he doesn't express much by way of beliefs on your missions or anything pertaining to the in game world. All I know about him still is that he can fly a ship and that his husband died.
I did really like Kaidan as an LI, though. He's probably my favorite m/m LI in a Bioware game so far. Granted, the competition hasn't gotten that intense yet. lol
Aww, I really liked Steve :< he was normal which is rare in BW games but is something I like. As for plot relevance...ME3 had a crappy plot anyway >.< I will trade you, I will take Steve and you can have Jacob and also James creepily hitting on you all the time 
Femshep only had two straight romances in ME3, they lost Jacob who cheats on you and Thane who dies very early. If Kaidan is dead and you did not romance Garrus, you have no romance to choose from if you're playing a straight female where S/S and M/F you have choices if you didn't have a romance in the past games.
That is how I remembered it. Female Shepard is better off not going for the bait.
Retour en haut