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[DeinonSlayer]

Hmmm no wonder why I found ME1's character designs and outfits to be lacking. Most of them seemed so..... boring and generic.

I preferred them over what followed, actually. I installed one mod putting Ashley back in a standard-issue Alliance uniform, and another putting Miranda in something more "incognito" than her ME2 catsuit sans Cerberus logo.

[zestalyn]

i'm a girl. mostly straight. proudly feminist. I like the female outfits (except Isabela's pantlessness is where they crossed the line) Especially when we're talking about a purely fantasy-driven, aesthetic-based medium like video games (rather than a live action film) all I care about: 

[shodiswe]

Personaly, I don't care much for most of the nakedness or non nakedness debate from a moral standpoint.

What does bother me is when it becommes unrealistic and immersion breaking, like when it's used in combat and it's providing as much protection as fullcoverage antibalistic and vacuum protection gear.

If they are walking around halfnaked on the ship or in town or on the citadel where you arn't having, or were expecting a gunfight then I don't mind.

Off duty attire can look in whatever way people like. Professional workgear should be functional and provide for the needs of the profession. If they add some extra styling that doesn't interfere with functionality or protection then I don't mind.

If you go into a gunfight or expect you might get a hullbreach the you should be wearing protective gear that might provide some protection against bullets, shrapnel and vacuum.

Saying they got a kineetic barrier or belt sheildgenerator doesn't seem like a good enough excuse, when having more could potentialy save their lives or turn the tide of the battle.

Which brings me back to my preference to realism, rather than skimpier and more bare skin = better armor.

The best armor is ofcourse, not getting hit at all! But that's not a reasonable expectation in a fight or a warzone.

[KaiserShep]

The Hahne-Kedar chest plate is pretty good about this. I generally go for the Serrice Council chestplate though, partly because of continuity between my ME2 and 3 Shep, but also because it has a bit of a bonus toward biotics.

 

[CronoDragoon]

I.E. Miranda, Jack, Samara, Ashley in ME3, etc. Or even Isabela in DA 2

 

Depends whether the outfit fits the character, to me. For Isabela, Jack, and Miranda I'd say it does. For Samara, no. They could have zipped up her armor and it would have still looked awesome, been sexy, and fit her character better.

 

But I don't have any issue with finding the aesthetics pleasing. Presumably that's why they were designed that way. Sometimes it gets a little too much, though.

[KaiserShep]

I could see Samara's design working just as well with an outfit closer to Morinth's.

[von uber]

Like what? Other than a few crazies being giving too much attention? There are a minority of people like that in just about every other fandom, doesn't mean their views reflect everyone elses.

A lot of people might have disagreed with her views, but I assure you no one viciously attacked her other than some complete nutjobs.

You might want to go read a few articles about it, it was incredible the amount of abuse that occurred. And it's not just that, I could link to a hell of a lot of other instances. How about this gem from the Star Citizen forums: http://www.rockpaper...s-star-citizen/

How about this response from the Turian female thread in our very own forum:

Haha feminism is borderline fanatical.

To a post that thinks that the way female Turians are presented could do with some work. Or the post above it:

Looooooooooooooooooooo *snip* oool

Just because you don't see it as a problem, doesn't mean that others do not.

[Pirate Queen Isabela]

Eh, not here to tell you what you "should feel guilty about", that kind of stuff is for you to decide. You need to think why you bring up 'guilt' when you think of liking outfits like that. 

 

For real, though? In my opinion, since you asked it in the title, I think the over-sexualisation is not needed, tbh. Ashley in the first game compared to Ash in the third is literally the most baffling thing for me. Have you read what they wrote about her in the art books? 

 

 

I had to take a double take but I guess I shouldn't be surprised that all Bioware thinks of the lady LIs are their sex appeal.   She is the front line fighter, the soldier, not the delicate biotic flower like Kaidan who for some reason got buffed up. And ~letting her hair down for the sexy effect~ was just uh.

 

 

EDI is another one that really made me cringe. Two words: Robot camel-toes.   And that comment that "she needed to be sexy!" Okay, Bioware.

 

 

 

Eh, Miranda's outfit isn't too bad until she turns around. And I don't even know how Jacks top even functions, for real, it came out of some terrible hentai anime.

 

 

Getting rid of Samaras ridic. ~must have boobies~ outfit and making her look feminine and gorgeous isn't that hard.

[Iakus]

Eh, not here to tell you what you "should feel guilty about", that kind of stuff is for you to decide. You need to think why you bring up 'guilt' when you think of liking outfits like that. 

 

For real, though? In my opinion, since you asked it in the title, I think the over-sexualisation is not needed, tbh. Ashley in the first game compared to Ash in the third is literally the most baffling thing for me. Have you read what they wrote about her in the art books? 

 

 

I had to take a double take but I guess I shouldn't be surprised that all Bioware thinks of the lady LIs are their sex appeal.   She is the front line fighter, the soldier, not the delicate biotic flower like Kaidan who for some reason got buffed up. And ~letting her hair down for the sexy effect~ was just uh.

 

 

EDI is another one that really made me cringe. Two words: Robot camel-toes.   And that comment that "she needed to be sexy!" Okay, Bioware.

 

 

 

Eh, Miranda's outfit isn't too bad until she turns around. And I don't even know how Jacks top even functions, for real, it came out of some terrible hentai anime.

 

It's this stuff that makes me wonder if Bioware takes its audience seriously anymore

[Mordokai]

EDI is another one that really made me cringe. Two words: Robot camel-toes.   And that comment that "she needed to be sexy!" Okay, Bioware.

 

Well, it worked for Traynor

[Pirate Queen Isabela]

It's this stuff that makes me wonder if Bioware takes its audience seriously anymore

 

Bioware people act like kids most of the time, truly. I remember the over-sexualised female bingo post on tumblr that one of the artists? (I believe? either a concept artist or writer who works in Bioware) saying because people dislike the over done sexy outfits they'd do more just to spite the fans. It was ridiculous. Or how a concept artist defended a person for drawing Vivienne white because "If Orlais is like France, there shouldn't be any black people". 

 

On the "if males were made all sexy", well like you said, it's a huge fat "IF" because so far it's rarely happened and when it does men are beefed up while the women are made all hot (ehem ehem Kaidan and Ashley). The difference between Thane and Samara is that writers worked hard to make a reason for him to have a huge his chest open, and Samaras is just "sexy Asari". Besides, men really aren't as sexualised as women, imo.

 

 

Well, it worked for Traynor 

 

 

Traynor probably watches robot hentai. 

[Dr. Tim Whatley]

Just because you don't see it as a problem, doesn't mean that others do not.

 

Cool story bro.

[Iakus]

 

EDI is another one that really made me cringe. Two words: Robot camel-toes.   And that comment that "she needed to be sexy!" Okay, Bioware.

 

 

Well, yeah.  Joker fallin in love with any old robot would have been creepy, dontchaknow

[von uber]

Cool story bro.

Thanks, it is - glad you agree

[I Tsunayoshi I]

Eh, not here to tell you what you "should feel guilty about", that kind of stuff is for you to decide. You need to think why you bring up 'guilt' when you think of liking outfits like that. 

 

For real, though? In my opinion, since you asked it in the title, I think the over-sexualisation is not needed, tbh. Ashley in the first game compared to Ash in the third is literally the most baffling thing for me. Have you read what they wrote about her in the art books? 

 

 

I had to take a double take but I guess I shouldn't be surprised that all Bioware thinks of the lady LIs are their sex appeal.   She is the front line fighter, the soldier, not the delicate biotic flower like Kaidan who for some reason got buffed up. And ~letting her hair down for the sexy effect~ was just uh.

 

*snip*

Honestly, Kaidan was already buff in 1. Doesnt bother me to see him more buff in 2-3 seeing as when he wasnt on deployment, he could have been in the gym to work out.

[Pirate Queen Isabela]

Honestly, Kaidan was already buff in 1. Doesnt bother me to see him more buff in 2-3 seeing as when he wasnt on deployment, he could have been in the gym to work out.

 

Ah, sorry, I should have added what Bioware wrote about Kaidan in comparison to Ashley.

 

 

Kaidan’s armor in the original Mass Effect was hardly memorable. We wanted to change that. The team bulked him up to show that he’s seen a lot of action and is ready to fight in the biggest war the galaxy has ever seen. The armor went through many slight changes as we figured out the Alliance colors for human male characters.

We used Kaidan’s head from the first Mass Effect, but since the design was more than six years old, we updated his look for Mass Effect 3.

 

Of course he can get more buff, but Ashley who is a frontline fighter, a Soldier arguably a more in-your-face class than Kaidans Adept, was turned into a completely different sexy-ified character. She was the one in the bar saying how "we're in the future but men still drool over half naked women". She's a military woman, she trained just as hard as Kaidan, more because she doesn't even have biotics. It's funny how the character saying how men drool over half naked women is the one to be made more sexy and letting her ~hair down.

 

It was just, compared to her counterpart, a joke really.

[Ryriena]

I agree Kaiden was already buffed up in ME1, but Ashely wasn't the type to dress sexy. She's a tomboy, but the pecks on Kaiden are probably due to the graphics engine they used this time around... I was like wow Kaiden since when did you get the nice abs **** man? My Shepard mind went in the gutter after that.

For an example, Maya does a pretty good job in 3d art development for games so I'd chalk it up to that as well.

[Ryriena]

Ashely doesn't need the sex appeal to me she was already a good looking gal. Yes the design was six years old but at least make the body realistic for the type of class they play. Ashely shouldn't dress all in tights and spandex pants and where high heals she's a frontline solider.

[CrutchCricket]

I preferred them over what followed, actually. I installed one mod putting Ashley back in a standard-issue Alliance uniform, and another putting Miranda in something more "incognito" than her ME2 catsuit sans Cerberus logo.

 

Gross. For the Ashley part anyway. Miranda could do with a new outfit though. For concealment purposes. And when I say concealment I mean from Cerberus of course. It can be just as revealing otherwise...  

 

Ashely doesn't need the sex appeal to me she was already a good looking gal. Yes the design was six years old but at least make the body realistic for the type of class they play. Ashely shouldn't dress all in tights and spandex pants and where high heals she's a frontline solider.

 

So put her in armor then.

[Ser Pounce A Lot_]

Eh, not here to tell you what you "should feel guilty about", that kind of stuff is for you to decide. You need to think why you bring up 'guilt' when you think of liking outfits like that. 

 

For real, though? In my opinion, since you asked it in the title, I think the over-sexualisation is not needed, tbh. Ashley in the first game compared to Ash in the third is literally the most baffling thing for me. Have you read what they wrote about her in the art books? 

 

 

I had to take a double take but I guess I shouldn't be surprised that all Bioware thinks of the lady LIs are their sex appeal.   She is the front line fighter, the soldier, not the delicate biotic flower like Kaidan who for some reason got buffed up. And ~letting her hair down for the sexy effect~ was just uh.

 

 

EDI is another one that really made me cringe. Two words: Robot camel-toes.   And that comment that "she needed to be sexy!" Okay, Bioware.

 

 

 

Eh, Miranda's outfit isn't too bad until she turns around. And I don't even know how Jacks top even functions, for real, it came out of some terrible hentai anime.

 

 

Getting rid of Samaras ridic. ~must have boobies~ outfit and making her look feminine and gorgeous isn't that hard.

 

 

Ok so what about people that actually like the designs? What are your views on them? There are plenty of people like me that like them and they added to the overall enjoyment of the game. I liked Miranda's skintight outfits, especially the loyalty all-blue one. I really liked Samara's and the cleavage she shows off.

 

I also really liked ashley's look in ME3. Better hair style, bigger breasts, etc. None of that distracts from the type of people they are. Not for me at least

 

Hopefully the upcoming Mass Effect game(s) feature outfits similar.

[Iakus]

 

 

So put her in armor then.

 

If I could keep her in armor on the Normandy, I would.

 

Heck, if I could tell Ashley to borrow a uniform from Traynor I would

[CptFalconPunch]

No reason to feel guilty, both sexes appreciate a good appearance.

If you think about it, the women have traits of being sexualized, but men do too.

 

Men dream of women with tight bodies, big jugs nice asses in tight revealing clothing. The game assists with giving us shots of those particular sections of their bodies

 

Women dream of men with tight bodies, big muscles, with tons and tons of confidence. The game assists with giving us shots of those particular sections of their bodies

A rather shallow approach of course, just to put things in perspective.

The part where, IMO, its unacceptable is when you put a gender to be submissive and the other asserting 100% dominance, aka treating others like objects.

 

You should never feel guilty for seeing a women being sexy dear lord, nothing is wrong with you.

[Steelcan]

I only really have an issue with it when they are in a vacuum and have exposed skin and such, Samara's cleavage window is a bit much as well.

[CronoDragoon]

Ashely doesn't need the sex appeal to me she was already a good looking gal. Yes the design was six years old but at least make the body realistic for the type of class they play. Ashely shouldn't dress all in tights and spandex pants and where high heals she's a frontline solider.

 

She fights in armor, though, right?

 

I don't think the Ashley stuff is a big deal, really. I can understand the question of why do it at all, but having a character's hair down is pretty tame.

[Ryriena]

I'm on xbox 360 so can't mod things. Ands that's your argument mod ****? We need to stand against this type of stuff in the first place. I agree with a lot of the woman was overtly changed for sex appeal. This goes against many aspects of character design in the first place some characters do not need sex appeal to be cool.