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[von uber]

Miranda, Jack, Samara, Ash, and even Isabela are all strong and beautiful female characters in their own ways. Hopefully Bioware continue to keep doing what it's doing.

 

Why do they have to be beautiful at all? Why do they have to be sexualised?

[Daemul]

OP why do you feel guilty? Do you feel guilty when you see girls walking about in a mini skirt or hot pants? How about at th beach when girls are walking around in bikinis? No? Exactly. No idea why this would bother you then, especially since it;s nowhere near as revealing.

No, I just didn't see any on her in ME1. So why change her design all of sudden?

 

Really? I saw a lot of that in her. Go to any gym or sports club in the world and you'll find it full of Ashley's, tough girls who aren't afraid to work hard and get sweaty, but at night time you'll see them out in town with their hair down, make up on and walking about in high heels. 

 

Ashley has never struck me as the stereotypical tomboy, Jack however, is much closer to that than Ashley has ever been. 

[Daemul]

Why do they have to be beautiful at all? Why do they have to be sexualised?

What exactly is wrong with them being beautiful? None of the guys are exactly ugly either, even Garrus with his scars is still seen as sexy.

[Iakus]

Why do they have to be beautiful at all? Why do they have to be sexualised?

 

Any of them would still be beautiful in a more sensible outfit.

[von uber]

Any of them would still be beautiful in a more sensible outfit.

 

Very true, but they are not. It fits into the whole concept of how they are drawn.

 

What exactly is wrong with them being beautiful? None of the guys are exactly ugly either, even Garrus with his scars is still seen as sexy.

 

I note you omit the second part about being over sexualised. The two play on each other; that's the point. The OP admits he likes to look at them:

 

 

I just like the designs and I readily admit I like the cleavage and ....erm other body shots and the fit. I like looking at the figures of them in general.

 

Therefore them being beautiful is part and parcel of it (for what it's worth, I can't see how Jack, having lived the life she has, has the face of a model). With regard to scars, that serves to illustrate Garrus strength; not the size of his penis.Most of the male characters are shown in their design to be strong and powerful; most of the women are portrayed as a pair of breasts and an arse.

Compare Vega:

 

 

To Samara:

 

 

Which one would you think was the Warrior, and which the stripper?

[CrutchCricket]

I think Iakus' problem isn't so much that Ashley's outfit is over-sexualized(not really a word, but you get my point), but it's incongruous with her character that was portrayed in ME1 and possibly ME2. Ashely was characterized as a strong and independent women, a tomboy. Most tomboys that I know don't usually dress that way or have their hair down(there are always exceptions of course). Ashely didn't present herself as a girly girl or dress in a over-sexualized manner in ME1, and I think that's part of the reason why Iakus romanced her.

 

As an example, you didn't like what happened to Kasumi in ME3. In ME2, you had the dialogue option at the end of her loyalty mission to tell her to forget about the gray box and move on. Yet in ME3, that dialogue choice doesn't matter since she is still obsessed with it. I liked her character in ME2 myself, and I wasn't all that pleased with her character's progression into ME3(while it was still amusing, don't get me started with her "underwear escapade" at the citadel party).

 

Admittedly, that isn't the best example I could come up with. I was just trying to explain that Iakus' problem was more character development than anything else. 

 

I wouldn't agree that it is against her character. Ashley is a strong, no-nonsense girl but that doesn't mean she necessarily eschews a more typically attractive feminine image. Tomboy may be a shorthand for describing her character but I don't think it's all-encompassing or binding. And you yourself admit there are exceptions.

 

As for uniformity, the outfit was probably designed with her end state of being a Spectre in mind. While it may be odd at the start, it makes more sense after her appointment.

 

A character's appearance would have to be not just contradictory but downright insulting to come close to the kind of failure of Kasumi's ME3 part. And I'm not saying that just as a Kasumi fan. Onscreen actions and words, or how a character acts, do far more to establish traits for good or ill than simple attire. Let's not get into Davidian "characterization" shall we?

 

Why do they have to be beautiful at all? Why do they have to be sexualised?

 

Because all other things being equal beauty>fuglyness.

 

Also sex sells. Obviously. So again, all things being equal a sexy character is preferrable over an amorphous mass.

[von uber]

Also sex sells.

 

Correction: titilation sells.

[I Tsunayoshi I]

Just because they aren't fully armoured in areas that aren't even sexualised on a male body, I don't care. I should have probably worded it better, because as far as I know we don't see any guys happy trail yet we get all the boobs in our faces. I def should have said female characters are more sexualised so pardon me for my poor wording.

 

Because as far as I know, dudes can go out shirtless but women can't, because boobs are so sexualised. That is the main problem between Thane and Samaras armour.

That I'll give ya, though when talking about Thane's outfit, its in the same pile of bad of some of the others when you consider they are going into vacuum with just a bloody facemask and no protection at all from exposure.

 

What exactly is wrong with them being beautiful? None of the guys are exactly ugly either, even Garrus with his scars is still seen as sexy.

Pretty sure that most Garrus fans really think the scars are sexy... Also Mordin did try using the scars as a means of getting Garrus a booty call.

[Iakus]

 

As for uniformity, the outfit was probably designed with her end state of being a Spectre in mind. While it may be odd at the start, it makes more sense after her appointment.

 

 

Then Where's Kaidan's miniskirt/jacket, thigh-highs, tights, and V-neck?

[AlexMBrennan]

How about at th beach when girls are walking around in bikinis? No? Exactly. No idea why this would bother you then, especially since it;s nowhere near as revealing.

A more realistic comparison would be if the all the female sales sales assistants at your local supermarket were all wearing swimwear rather than normal clothes. 

but at night time you'll see them out in town with their hair down, make up on and walking about in high heels.

Exactly - so putting these characters in high heels and full makeup in a combat situation is inappropriate. It's easy to lose track but the Normandy is still technically a warship and not a nightclub.

 

Which one would you think was the Warrior, and which the stripper?

Wouldn't that phrasing require one of them (Vega) to be a stripper to make sense?

[Battlebloodmage]

No problem if you enjoy a good female's view since the game is designed that way, but comparing Jacob and James to the female outfit is silly. They are not being designed to be sexual. A good example for Jack would be for Kaidan to fight in leopard speedo... for science.

[Nightwriter]

I'm not even an intense Ashley fan and the first thing I thought when I saw her ME3 casual outfit was "that's not Ashley."

 

I could see her wearing her hair down and dressing provocatively for a nightclub, but on the Normandy? Nah.

[Battlebloodmage]

Then Where's Kaidan's miniskirt/jacket, thigh-highs, tights, and V-neck?

You know, there is a reason why I love Resident Evil 5 and 6 so much despite how much it sucks. 

 

A mini short sailor, a kinomo with one of the side down exposing the tattoo and his torso, and a bondage costume. Capcom sure knows their fans. lol. Looking back at all the costumes, Chris is the being objectified more than the females in the game.

 

I would be hypocritical if I say I wouldn't enjoy a good male service, so yeah, no need to feel guilty, just enjoy a good view of Asshley and Mirandass whenever possible.

[KaiserShep]

You know, there is a reason why I love Resident Evil 5 and 6 so much despite how much it sucks.




A mini short sailor, a kinomo with one of the side down exposing the tattoo and his torso, and a bondage costume. Capcom sure knows their fans. lol. Looking back at all the costumes, Chris is the being objectified more than the females in the game.

I would be hypocritical if I say I wouldn't enjoy a good male service, so yeah, no need to feel guilty, just enjoy a good view of Asshley and Mirandass whenever possible.

Shore Leave approves.

[Battlebloodmage]

Shore Leave approves.

Just as with girls wearing sailor suit in Japan.

 

[Daemul]

A more realistic comparison would be if the all the female sales sales assistants at your local supermarket were all wearing swimwear rather than normal clothes. 

 

 

Exactly - so putting these characters in high heels and full makeup in a combat situation is inappropriate. It's easy to lose track but the Normandy is still technically a warship and not a nightclub.

 

Well, the first one does happen at local markets near my local  beach, with hot pants on of course, makes for wonderful viewing. 

 

I wasn't talking about combat situation in post though, I was responding to whether Ash is the type of person who would put on make up and high heels in general, and I have no doubt in my mind that she is. On your post though, Femshep and Maleshep are able to wear some very informal outfits on the Normandy in ME2 and ME3, one of which is very popular among MaleShep players in ME3, so honestly, I don't mind. Everyone has armour for battle situations anyway, so it's no big deal. 

[TheTurtle]

Very true, but they are not. It fits into the whole concept of how they are drawn.

 

 

I note you omit the second part about being over sexualised. The two play on each other; that's the point. The OP admits he likes to look at them:

 

 

 

Therefore them being beautiful is part and parcel of it (for what it's worth, I can't see how Jack, having lived the life she has, has the face of a model). With regard to scars, that serves to illustrate Garrus strength; not the size of his penis.Most of the male characters are shown in their design to be strong and powerful; most of the women are portrayed as a pair of breasts and an arse.

Compare Vega:

 

 

To Samara:

 

 

Which one would you think was the Warrior, and which the stripper?

I think they both look like strippers honestly

[General TSAR]

I'm one of those that rolled my eyes every time they zoomed in to Miranda's ass all the time during her conversations. As, a female gamer myself I found it annoying.

As, a straight male gamer, I was also put off with the constant ass shots.

 

Thank god for Alternate Appearance Packs.

[Ser Pounce A Lot_]

You know, there is a reason why I love Resident Evil 5 and 6 so much despite how much it sucks. 

 

A mini short sailor, a kinomo with one of the side down exposing the tattoo and his torso, and a bondage costume. Capcom sure knows their fans. lol. Looking back at all the costumes, Chris is the being objectified more than the females in the game.

 

I would be hypocritical if I say I wouldn't enjoy a good male service, so yeah, no need to feel guilty, just enjoy a good view of Asshley and Mirandass whenever possible.

 

And I'd have no problem with outfits such as this in the games and I'm pretty sure other women such as yourself wouldn't mind either. 

[Ser Pounce A Lot_]

As, a straight male gamer, I was also put off with the constant ass shots.

 

Thank god for Alternate Appearance Packs.

 

As a straight male gamer, her outfit routinely made me stand at attention 

[Darks1d3]

 

Onscreen actions and words, or how a character acts, do far more to establish traits for good or ill than simple attire. Let's not get into Davidian "characterization" shall we?

 

To the Bolded: Come on, that's a low blow

 

However, fair enough to the former. That's not to say that a character's attire should not reflect their characterization, but I will agree that their actions and what they say are more important considerations.

[Obadiah]

I guess Jack's outfit didn't bother me so much because I didn't find it sexy.

[I Tsunayoshi I]

I guess Jack's outfit didn't bother me so much because I didn't find it sexy.

Only reason it never bugs me is because it looks like she has on more than she does pretty much any time she isnt getting a close-up. Though that sort of thinking makes me think she has no pants on in ME3

[von uber]

Femshep and Maleshep are able to wear some very informal outfits on the Normandy in ME2 and ME3, one of which is very popular among MaleShep players in ME3, so honestly, I don't mind.

Have you not noticed the difference between their casual outfits? Manshep gets a funky jacket combo, femshep gets some tacky pvc dress thing.

[I Tsunayoshi I]

Have you not noticed the difference between their casual outfits? Manshep gets a funky jacket combo, femshep gets some tacky pvc dress thing.

I'm a dude and I hate that ****** dress. It has no place on a ship compared to MShep's Leather Jacket, White tee, and Jeans.

 

Then again, I'm a bit miffed that the only outfit that I like FShep in that isnt a uniform is the Hoodie, which doesnt exactly make a good image for her there either.