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[metalfenix]

Wow, maybe I could give RE5 a chance, just for the chris's outfits (they are also on PS3?)

 

And regarding to the thread, don't feel bad OP, just enjoy the show (just as I enjoyed seeing vega exercising himself on the armory). One thing I like from Isabella, is that, unlike samara,liara or miranda, she is aware of how sexy she dresses, and she is not ashamed to talk about it. I love her on DA 2, easily one of my favorite characters there (and be mindful that I'm gay lol). Some of my hawkes romanced her, she is way better than the other 3 choices (blood magic nuisance merrill, psychotic abomination anders or traumatized final-fantasy-elf anti mage fenris).

[KaiserShep]

Have you not noticed the difference between their casual outfits? Manshep gets a funky jacket combo, femshep gets some tacky pvc dress thing.

FemShep should've had a jacket. The only time the dress was ever really appropriate is when she meets Joker at the sushi restaurant in the Citadel DLC, especially if Liara comments on the outfit. I'm glad I have the CE, so I can just use the hoodie for everything outside the ship. But still, that jacket is the superior casual.

[Coming0fShadows]

The outfits tend to fit with the average clothing choices in the typical Sci Fi show. I guess thats why it didnt surprise me. Personally i could do without them, but alas, im not one of the casual players which seem to love it. And they are the majority and all BW really cares about.

Oh about Ashley in ME3. I figured Shep and Ashley perhaps had dinner at some point between 1 and 3, so finally she decided to go with the tin foil mini skirt and thigh high boots she mentioned before.

[Diesel]

I think it's ironic that one of the biggest fan favourites - Tali - is covered 100%. Samara's outfit is totally pointless. This coming from a Miranda fan. I didn't mind the ME3 Ashley but try as I did I just couldn't find her interesting enough to resurrect the ME1 romance with her.

[thehomeworld]

Should you feel guilty about liking them? That's up to you OP and I think you've already made up your mind about that.

 

However BW should feel ashamed of making such horrid outfits. Samura, Jack, Miranda, Jacob, Thane, EDI, Kasumi, and go go dancer Ashley all have major flaws to their outfits that are unrealistic, immersion breaking, irritates, offends, and is just plain cliche when one is dealing with battle, zero Gs, and plauges. BW should've never made these outfits as their standard 1st impression outfits its like if Shep showed up in their colony mining bibs from the start of every ME game we'd never take him/her seriously as a space commander BW does the samething here once everyone gets ready for battle this game isn't final fantasy it is however wanting to be a serious space drama but these impression outfits ruin it either at the first introductions (samara, jack,) or once the planned battles begin (miranda, jacob).

 

Lets break this down shall we:

 

Miranda and Jacob - these outfits are fine for pencil pushers but they are unrealistic how many of us go to work in such form fitting wear? But it can still get a pass based on these guys weren't on the front lines and didn't expect to get shot at in their own base. However Miranda should've doned armor and got rid of the heels for ground missons or not be allowed to be on ground crew. Jacob needed armor as the head of the armory you think he'd know this.

 

Thane and  Kasumi - Our space Assassins works fine for their inital jobs but again we've got zero G's and bullets get armor, or state that they're wearing vest under their clothing. Thane at least has a medical condition which allows for the lee way but that makes the reason for why we couldn't have gotten a healther assassin for the mission questionable and for another thread.

 

Samara - our space Samurai/Jedi worse outfit for her job expectations sure Asari are suppose to be sexy but she was a walking excuse for more sex appeal it was unnessisary we have great concept art of the same armor in practical form so there was no excuse to change it to this life ending choice. And hospital masks? Really BW for all the characters who untilize them they should all explode and die ALL OF THEM!

 

Ash - back in ME she was right on ready for battle and even in her off duty she was spot on for a millitary vessel. I got it, this isn't a millitary op anymore so she can relaxy a bit but the boots the battle skirt? Got to go, she needs her life saved not try to impress her enemies  with an imprompto fashion show here.

 

Jack - Our resident physco again why she's even on the team is debatable for so many reasons and another thread but give me a reson why she's in a bra strap? What was she doing when she was caught? Have her complain about it so I know where she was caught so I can go Ok I get it! However her rough life leads me to belive she'd want more clothing not less but with no ingame reason for the attire and a perfectly good alternative in the DLC why didn't she come in her leather vest first? That was bad girl but still allowed some play for I get in knife fights sure BW said tattoos was why we got a strap but I'm going to need more then that lame excuse.

 

Bottom line BW lowered their standards by making all these fashionable, hot, or sexy clothing for our crew if they want to lounge in catsuits when not on duty fine but bra straps? Hell no not approparate for lounge wear or battle. If they want these outfits to remain part of the game why not just place them in the stores to buy?

 

Just label it sexy Justicare armor or sexy crimial casual and make all the males on your crew also have sexy versions for the fem players. Once bought the character will have these shown on ship or wear them into battle this compromise then allows for players to decide after they get the characters how they'll apear in their game it doesn't offend, it doesn't lower the quality of the game from the onset, and the player decides how preformance ready they are for battle and hazardous enviroments.

 

The standard if BW is trying to be a serious sci-fi game is to keep all crew in battle ready armor for ground missions and combat, keep a practical casual attire for on ship or in safe non combat hub worlds, if sexy attire for any crew or m/f hero is needed then give us the proper context for it sex or party (Miranda's look in the Citidel DLC for example is spot on) for where she is and what she is doing. Basically first impressions are everything here if I see a good character dressing like a stripper I'm going to think  the striper took a wrong turn heading for the club instead of ally, dress them for success not failure here BW its very simple.

[Cknarf]

Have you not noticed the difference between their casual outfits? Manshep gets a funky jacket combo, femshep gets some tacky pvc dress thing.

It is a shame femshep didn't get a bad-ass leather Jacket option.  I've never even played as female Shepard and it makes me sad.

[MattFini]

Nope. Not wrong. At least not in my purview. 

 

Although I usually do put Jack in her more conservative outfit as soon as I complete her ME2 loyalty mission. 

 

It was interesting getting my wife's take on the series, though. She doesn't play but enjoys the characters and has watched quite a bit of my game.

 

She liked Miranda, both her personality and her outfit, a lot, but questioned Ashley's redesigned appearance in ME3 almost immediately. "Isn't she supposed to be a tomboy-ish solider?"

 

I do think that both Miranda and Jack's appearances are well done and DO tell us plenty about their characters. But I have to admit, I never considered how jarring Ashley's redesign was until she brought it up. I don't mind it, but it does stand out to me whenever I play ME3 now. 

[Reorte]

I think it's ironic that one of the biggest fan favourites - Tali - is covered 100%. Samara's outfit is totally pointless. This coming from a Miranda fan. I didn't mind the ME3 Ashley but try as I did I just couldn't find her interesting enough to resurrect the ME1 romance with her.

Tali has a hell of a good figure that's just the right side of not being immersion-breaking over-the-top in the way I find Miranda to be.

[Chocolina]

I just want to add that this isn't exactly a new thing. Back when I first played me1 I romanced Kaidan. It was the night before the final mission. He comes by, and... Bomchickawowwow. And what do I get to se? A shot of my Shep's ass! I had no interest in staring at her behind, I wanted to stare at Kaidan. God dang it.

 

I don't mind nudity or sexy characters, as long as it fits their personality. Ash's me3 outfit just seems wrong. She was fine in me1, sexy in her tomboyish way. I'm really disappointed that they thought it was necessary to make her more traditionally sexy. It feels like a betrayal to the character.

[Neria Rose]

Bioware people act like kids most of the time, truly. I remember the over-sexualised female bingo post on tumblr that one of the artists? (I believe? either a concept artist or writer who works in Bioware) saying because people dislike the over done sexy outfits they'd do more just to spite the fans. It was ridiculous. Or how a concept artist defended a person for drawing Vivienne white because "If Orlais is like France, there shouldn't be any black people". 

 

 

Wait, what?? When, where, how did that happen?

[von uber]

"Hey.. how come you get armour and I don't?"

 

[CrutchCricket]

Then Where's Kaidan's miniskirt/jacket, thigh-highs, tights, and V-neck?

 

 

What kind of game are you playing? Though seeing where this thread has gone, maybe that's not so farfetched after all.

 

But in all seriousness, Kaidan didn't get a special outfit because he's lame.

[Pirate Queen Isabela]

Wait, what?? When, where, how did that happen?

 

http://mattrhodesart.../vivienne#notes

 

 

The original artist who drew Vivienna white didn't do it because they were new or couldn't draw different ethnicities, but because Vivienne "would be prettier white" and "Orlais is fictional france so black people shouldn't exist" and Matt  defended the artist without even looking into those gross racist arguments they presented. 

 

http://24.media.tumb...oolao1_1280.png was how the artist in question drew Vivienne. 

[voteDC]

Whether they are over sexualised in the context they are in.

 

Also, I don't see how you can compare this:

 

 

 

I actually had an argument about this, not strictly about Mass Effect but about the "boob plate" armour.

The person simply thought that boob plate is unrealistic and no woman would wear it because it could angle weapons toward the centre of the chest.

My argument was simply that if you can accept the other fantastic elements of a game without question, then why is the boob plate such an issue?

Suffice to say we never did find a middle ground.

[Ryriena]

I actually had an argument about this, not strictly about Mass Effect but about the "boob plate" armour.

The person simply thought that boob plate is unrealistic and no woman would wear it because it could angle weapons toward the centre of the chest.

My argument was simply that if you can accept the other fantastic elements of a game without question, then why is the boob plate such an issue?

Suffice to say we never did find a middle ground.

He's actually correct that the breast plate wouldn't work in a real fight. As it's helps find the center to the heart

[von uber]

True, the armour design should be universal between male/female apart from allowing for size.

[Display Name Owner]

I'm not going to pretend I'm so incredibly mature and sophisticated that I don't enjoy a bit of sexiness. I just don't like it when it takes precedence over in-universe logic. No one should be running about over the battlefield without some form of armour on. And yes, the camera framing in certain conversations with Miranda was downright hilarious.

 

For example, EDI's design annoys me partly because it's so illogical. A state of the art infiltration unit should surely be as inconspicuous as possible, no? Surely it shouldn't have the face of an actual dead person? Surely Cerberus would actually want to use it again and therefore give it a body frame that's adaptible, so it can use more than one disguise in it's whole life? That one was just blatant sexy over logic. And not even that sexy if you want the truth, she looks daft.

 

Maybe they just need to not try so hard, that's when things seem to go wrong. 

[RZIBARA]

yes

[voteDC]

He's actually correct that the breast plate wouldn't work in a real fight. As it's helps find the center to the heart

It was a she as it happens. And I pointed out that it would direct weapons to the centre of the chest in my post.

My point was that if she could accept dragons, magic, zombies and all manner of other fantastical elements, then why was boob plate being effective protection outside of her ability to accept?

After all the universes are obviously operating on different physical laws to our own.

[Reorte]

It was a she as it happens. And I pointed out that it would direct weapons to the centre of the chest in my post.

My point was that if she could accept dragons, magic, zombies and all manner of other fantastical elements, then why was boob plate being effective protection outside of her ability to accept?

After all the universes are obviously operating on different physical laws to our own.

Dear oh dear. I really, really hate that argument, it's an excuse for trying to shove in any old nonsense. A fictional universe has to establish its differences from reality but then should do its best to stick with just those and what would otherwise work in any universe. Otherwise you could have Shepard suddenly sprout wings or any other piece of nonsense you could think of.

 

I accept fantastical elements that are obviously an integral part of the fictional universe simply because it is part of that universe, and that's as far as it goes. Anything else helps kill suspension of disbelief, although some things obviously do that more than others (not having proper sealed outfits in a vacuum is a biggy).

 

Dragons in a fantasy setting, eezon in Mass Effect, they make sense in those universes even if they don't in this one. The boob plate doesn't make sense in either.

[Ryriena]

Dear oh dear. I really, really hate that argument, it's an excuse for trying to shove in any old nonsense. A fictional universe has to establish its differences from reality but then should do its best to stick with just those and what would otherwise work in any universe. Otherwise you could have Shepard suddenly sprout wings or any other piece of nonsense you could think of.

I accept fantastical elements that are obviously an integral part of the fictional universe simply because it is part of that universe, and that's as far as it goes. Anything else helps kill suspension of disbelief, although some things obviously do that more than others (not having proper sealed outfits in a vacuum is a biggy).

Dragons in a fantasy setting, eezon in Mass Effect, they make sense in those universes even if they don't in this one. The boob plate doesn't make sense in either.

Agreed her old amour in ME1 made a lot more sense than the boob plate in ME2 & 3. It really breaks immersion and pretty sexist to suggest she need to show her boobs while fighting. Yeah, I like fan service to a point like in RE5 for an example. Be reasonable about it and realistic. Have her dress sexy, when she's on shore leave or having fun with her romance option. While on the battle field she shouldn't have a boob plated armor as it's breaks your immersion. It also paints a target on you saying hit me here, because I'm a stupid woman for wearing the boob plated armor.

[I Tsunayoshi I]

True, the armour design should be universal between male/female apart from allowing for size.

Kestrel Armor in ME2 doesnt have a ****** plate on it, or at least doesnt have a noticable one imo. Then again, when I looked it was about one in the morning and I wasnt completely awake.

 

Agreed her old amour in ME1 made a lot more sense than the boob plate in ME2 & 3.

Armor in ME1 shaped itself for the wearer. Females had ****** plates and design lines that as if it was made just for a female. Colossus model armor being worse at least in its heavy models because of serious ass cleavage on display.

[Mordokai]

Agreed her old amour in ME1 made a lot more sense than the boob plate in ME2 & 3. It really breaks immersion and pretty sexist to suggest she need to show her boobs while fighting. Yeah, I like fan service to a point like in RE5 for an example. Be reasonable about it and realistic. Have her dress sexy, when she's on shore leave or having fun with her romance option. While on the battle field she shouldn't have a boob plated armor as it's breaks your immersion. It also paints a target on you saying hit me here, because I'm a stupid woman for wearing the boob plated armor.

 

[Ryriena]

Funny, at least it didn't have breast the size of melons poking out of that armor. When did Shepard get a boob job? Yeah woman have form fitting in me1 to a point. You could hardly see those lines underneath her Breast. You can't say that about these Armors now. They make her breast the size if Melons because for the past six months all my Shepard did was get a boob job.

[General TSAR]

The Alliance needed more recruits and Shepard, grudgingly, obliged.