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[SerCambria358]

Oh I've given up by now. If he wants to be so deadset on claiming that one specialization is going to be intrinsically worse than all others, then he should feel free to do so. Even if he is empirically wrong.

Im too far into this to turn back now

[AresKeith]

I have a question - who in the hell cares? (other than Kain, of course)

 

You just answered your own question lol

[The Baconer]

So basically they would be doing what warriors do, just slightly different flavor text to try and fool the player.

 

Um, no. I suppose in the same sense that you could give any class any potential power and explain it away with flavor text.

 

 

Chances are the Knight-Enchatners are going to have their own unique spells yes, but their melee aspects will always be second to the classes dedicated to it.

 

What does that even mean, though? What exactly are these melee aspects that they have to fall short in? Are warriors second to melee rogues because they can't match potential DPS? Is a 2H warrior second to a S&S warrior because they don't have as much survivability on paper?

[EmperorSahlertz]

What does that even mean, though? What exactly are these melee aspects that they have to fall short in? Are warriors second to melee rogues because they can't match potential DPS? Is a 2H warrior second to a S&S warrior because they don't have as much survivability on paper?

Yes, warriors are worse dps'ers than rogues. Yes 2h warrior are worse tanks than S&S warriors. However sometimes you may not need a dedicated tank, or you may want some more durable dps, in which case the 2h warrior steps up.

[SerCambria358]

Spells are stronger than swords. Carrying a sword impairs spell casting. Learning how to use said sword leaves less time to practice spell casting. I don't know what other points are needed really. 

 

Neither does your analogy of hammer/saw fits as well.. 

Spells arent inherently stronger than weapons, it depends on the spell. A sword thrust into someones chest takes you out of the fight instantly, a fireball will sizzle your skin but its not an incapacitating attack on its own, one takes more energy to do and does less damage. Anyone can learn both skills, you say that is if multitasking is rare.

 

Then you didnt understand the analogy. "So less versatile = better in some scenarios? Oxymoron much?" Just because a tool has more than one use doesnt mean its better than another tool in all areas, therefore i used a hammer to show something with a lot of versatility and a saw which has really one purpose, despite that, the saw will always be a better cutter than a hammer. It didnt make sense because you didnt undertand, i like how you also admitted that your analogies didnt make sense

[EmperorSahlertz]

And we havn't even touched on the subejct of anti-magic runes and other magically resistant materials and even persons, which would die from a blade in the gut, but not a fireball to the face.

[Adaar the Unbound]

Yes you were born with the ability to use superior attacks, and you use inferior ones instead, not silly at all. 

Do you really think that a warrior or rogue inquisitor are inferior to a mage inquisitor?

[SerCambria358]

Havent even brought up templars yet lol

[KainD]

Spells arent inherently stronger than weapons

 

Agree to disagree / discussion? 

[KainD]

Do you really think that a warrior or rogue inquisitor are inferior to a mage inquisitor?

 

Lore wise yes. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I'm just waiting for Kain's magic-only mage to run into a magic-canceling Templar. Bare fists aren't good against plate armor.

[SerCambria358]

Agree to disagree / discussion? 

Agreed

[KainD]

I'm just waiting for Kain's magic-only mage to run into a magic-canceling Templar. Bare fists aren't good against plate armor.

 

I don't think that my mage will suck, but if he will, that of course will be sad. 

[The Baconer]

Yes, warriors are worse dps'ers than rogues. Yes 2h warrior are worse tanks than S&S warriors. However sometimes you may not need a dedicated tank, or you may want some more durable dps, in which case the 2h warrior steps up.

 

Exactly, even though they're all melee, you don't say "I need a melee", you say "I would like to have x, and I'm going to pick this class and spec because they're the best at delivering x". Give the knight enchanter a good enough and unique "x", and comparisons to warriors and melee rogues won't even be relevant.

[Shadow Fox]

Lore wise yes. 

Rogue>Mage.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Rogue>Mage and Warrior.

Made it more accurate.

[Lillian]

Y'all fake. Obviously, Mage + Rogue >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Warrior

Oh wait, I meant to just lurk... I'll just go now. Continue on.

[Shadow Fox]

Y'all fake. Obviously, Mage + Rogue >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Warrior

So Nightblades are godlike...

 

 

Yesssssssss.

[SerCambria358]

Y'all fake. Obviously, Mage + Rogue >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Warrior

Templars disagree

Spoiler

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Templars disagree

Spoiler

They said Mage + Rogue, not just Mage. 

[SerCambria358]

They said Mage + Rogue, not just Mage. 

They'd still disagree with mages being in front of them lol, id say rogues too but the Antivan Crows make a good case. Just keep in mind, the Qun defeats all

[Lillian]

They'd still disagree with mages being in front of them lol, id say rogues too but the Antivan Crows make a good case. Just keep in mind, the Qun defeats all

[SerCambria358]

 

Just remember

 

 

you cant escape it

[EmperorSahlertz]

Why would you want to escape the Qun? 

[Hellion Rex]

Why would you want to escape the Qun? 

A crappy mage policy...

 

Otherwise, I quite like them.