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#226
wolfhowwl

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Nobody can discern anything meaningful about me from my post history, and it doesn't matter at all how far back you go.

 

You're rude.

 

You appear emotionally unstable and are likely a very unhappy person.

 

Oh and you were previously permanently banned for having a meltdown on the old BSN and making very inappropriate posts.

 

You're a laughingstock.


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those sharks freak me out.....

It took me a minute to remember the OP had sharks on it. :P


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#228
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Look out, we got an Intro to Psych student over here.

 

And I don't know who or what you are talking about.



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So what?

Everybody is antagonistic to somebody.


Maybe the mods will be antagonistic to you and ban you again?
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#230
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Maybe the mods will be antagonistic to you and ban you again?

 

I hope not. People like him and David7204 (who like Plaintiff is also evading a permanent ban) are some of the best reasons to still come here.



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Not trying to be a jerk, and this isn’t about starting an agrument with you, just want to address a few things you said. Nick Fury was black before the movie, his new race started in the comics. And the new Spiderman in the comics is Hispanic. And Halle Berry and Barack Obama get to be all black even though they are only half black so Keanu Reeves should get to be all Asian in a film even though he is only half Asian. And also, The Last Samurai did very well in Japan because unlike the PC obsessed Americans, they understood that Tom wasn’t the last Samurai but Ken Watanabi was. That the film was about understanding others cultures and respecting the past and finding out that race isn’t what really separates or connects us, but our experience and the decisions we make. And one (or two rather since a bit of this also applies to Superman) last thing, even the creator of Goku said Goku isn’t Asian, he is an alien; he isn’t Asian or white, he is not even human. The Manga and Cartoons don’t even take place in Japan but a fictional world - Goku’s name isn’t even Japanese (nor is anyone’s name) but rather Chinese and his whole story is based on Chinese legend, this is why there is a mix of cultures near each other when they travel, like Japanese sumo wrestlers, Indian monks, and American cowboys all in the same country. It reflects Japanese culture more prominently because the writer is Japanese, (funny that, kind of how the protagonist is a game made in a predominantly white country is white) but it is not meant to be Japan and the story is meant to be accessible to all cultures. One of the reason you would not pick a Japanese person to play Goku when the rest of the cast is Asian could easily be to show that he is set apart from the people around him. To me there is a lot more that move did wrong than casting.

Nick Fury and Spiderman are black/Hispanic in the Ultimate world, not in the mainstream version. The movie version based loosly on the 616 as opposed to the Ultimate. No, Keanu is not even half Asian, and it wouldn't matter either way because the intention is to have a white looking character since full Asian in leading role is not viewed as desirable. Goku has black hair and dark eyes in the manga. He's an alien which is convenient for them to be make into a white person, but it could likely be argued as an excuse though since there are already evidences pointing toward the Asian being viewed as undesirable and stereotyped by the general public. I'm not sure about your point, are you trying to argue that Asians are not being looked down at all by Hollywood and the yellowfacing doesn't exist or something? Even if Goku is an alien, they go for the white default should be obvious why they would do that. The rest of the cast is Asian is because they ain't important, and Hollywood think that it's a good way to throw Asian audience a bone. In Romeo must die, the Asian didn't get the girl because the audience disapprove of it. In Tokyo Drift, the protagonist were supposed to be an Asian person but were changed because of Asian being viewed as undesirable once again. Like I said, it's catch-22. Hollywood doesn't want Asian because they think the public doesn't like it. The public is not familiar with it because the media doesn't put out Asian lead roles. 


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Could we get back on topic, please? If y'all wanna take angry jabs at each other, do it through the PM system (there is a PM system, right?). I don't wanna see this thread get locked like so many others before it. I like discussing stuff like this.


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#233
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Could we get back on topic, please? If y'all wanna take angry jabs at each other, do it through the PM system (there is a PM system, right?). I don't wanna see this thread get locked like so many others before it. I like discussing stuff like this.

There is indeed a PM system.



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It's getting super creepy in here and some people are just coming off as weird stalkers. Like, wow. I don't even. 



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There is indeed a PM system.

 

Ok, good. I didn't want to look like a dummy who suggested a solution that wasn't even possible, lmao. I'm still trying to get used to the forums here. I still don't even know how to put people on ignore yet. >>;



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some people are just coming off as weird stalkers.

Is it me?

 

I told you, I sent those headless rose stems as a joke!  :angry:



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It's getting super creepy in here and some people are just coming off as weird stalkers. Like, wow. I don't even. 

No idea how long you've been here, but most of it just comes from the users having been around for a while.  Heck, I've been here since BSN first opened up since I was apart of the Mass Effect forums before that.  Others have been around longer.  Technically, I don't even know if the current users are even the same users referenced before.

 

On-topic: Greater representation is good.  People generally like to have a figure representing them which is why marketing ususally focuses on the majority of their audience.  Yes.  It sucks when no risks are taken in that regard especially in cases like Dragon Ball where they made a clearly Asian looking Goku white in the movie.


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Ok, good. I didn't want to look like a dummy who suggested a solution that wasn't even possible, lmao. I'm still trying to get used to the forums here. I still don't even know how to put people on ignore yet. >>;

Try this:

Click on the small arrow of your profile on top of the page.

Click on My settings

Choose 'Ignore' Preferences

Type in Battlebloodmage

Check all the boxes and save changes.  ;)



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It's getting super creepy in here and some people are just coming off as weird stalkers. Like, wow. I don't even. 

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It's getting super creepy in here and some people are just coming off as weird stalkers. Like, wow. I don't even. 

 

I mean it's not even that hard to tell who someone is by the way they post, and considering how long a user has been on the site


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Try this:

Click on the small arrow of your profile on top of the page.

Click on My settings

Choose 'Ignore' Preferences

Type in Battlebloodmage

Check all the boxes and save changes.  ;)

I don't think they wanted to ignore you specifically.



#242
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Is it me?

 

I told you, I sent those headless rose stems as a joke!  :angry:

Hahaha.. yeah.. I, uh, just must have missed that between the 47 pictures you texted me of naked, headless Ken dolls.  :unsure:



#243
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I don't think they wanted to ignore you specifically.

Nah, I'm just joking around. We have no problem with each other. :lol:



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Hahaha.. yeah.. I, uh, just must have missed that between the 47 pictures you texted me of naked, headless Ken dolls.  :unsure:

I told you, those were 47 jokes!



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If a black actor can do the job just as well, then why not? Bryan Cranston is an okay actor, not the only actor.

Because they would rather cast a white one. Perhaps other people would rather they cast a black actor. That doesn't make them any more or less racist than the creators.


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#246
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I mean it's not even that hard to tell who someone is by the way they post, and considering how long a user has been on the site

That's cool, I get that with people, too. I just don't really feel like I need to pop into threads just to tell any of them what I think of them. 



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Okay first, stop derailing the thread with personal gripes, take it to PM.

 

ahem, secondly, when people ask for an end to the default (straight white male) people seem to get touchy, like they’re being excluded in order for someone to feel included.

 

I’m pretty sure that isn’t the intention.  Some might think it is given a minority may actually not have ‘equality’ on their agenda but more a ‘replacement’.  For most of us though it’s just about being allowed to sit at the cool table with the kids who like playing the same sort of games we do and not be singled out as ‘different’, ‘weird’ or ‘niche’. 

 

Diversity isn’t about replacement; it’s about everybody getting an equal portion of cake.

 

The argument that ‘marketing has to appeal to where they can make the most bucks’ rings hollow to me because that market is set, there are only so many straight white gamers out there.  I understand there is only finite dollars for such campaigns and developers need to maximize their bang for their buck.  However, whether those who have been around a long time like it or not, the gaming industry is changing and will continue to change.  There will be more women, there will be more people of colour, there will be more LGBT people playing, as well as writing, designing and reviewing games.  The default is not the only type of gamer out there and to totally ignore that point because ‘we only ever did it this way before and it worked nicely thanks’ seems like a pretty poor business decision to me.

 

In my non-marketing expertise example – I would look to disposable razors, not sure of the history but say they were originally marketed only to men as a convenience product, but then women cottoned on they could use them too, so now we have a significant demographic of women using the product (let’s say 18% of the market is now women), Now why should the marketers bother changing their strategy, the product is the same whether men or women use it.  But if marketing the same product to women leads to more women realizing they could use this product, then it logically follows they demographic would rise they’d make a **** load more money and they could spend more money marketing the product.

 

Okay I realize this is the crappiest marketing example out there but hey, I’m a scientist not a marketing person.  I’ll ask the marketing types amongst you – those that have stated that they have some knowledge.  How do you market a product that has been shown to having an increasing demographic in an area that the product was not originally directed towards?  Do you ignore it?  Hope for the best that the marketing as is, will be enough?  What do you do?


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#248
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Because they would rather cast a white one.

Why? What is their reason for preferring white actors?

 

Perhaps other people would rather they cast a black actor. That doesn't make them any more or less racist than the creators.

I'm like 85% sure that wanting to see more diversity in casting makes you a lot less racist than people that don't want diversity in casting.



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imo the current inquisitor looks latino/hispanic tbh so I don't really understand what the problem is.


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Why? What is their reason for preferring white actors?

Because the felt the actor, as a person, was a better fit perhaps?


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