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[Rusty Sandusky]

As always there is only one answer to all the questions

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[Paul E Dangerously]

The only thing these threads convince me of is that you'd almost need an entire team just to cobble together trailers for everyone who wants something represented in the marketing, game development be damned.

 

I also really giggle at people wanting Bioware to market to everyone (read: minorities and LGBT, etc) but not everyone (the dreaded Call of Duty crowd).

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

White people are terrible. They should have to pay a tax every year for the privilege of being white tbh. 

[Dave of Canada]

While we've moved onto the idea of representation in general rather than in marketing... 

 

I worked for a company and was the only white person in my department. Everyone else was puerto rican or cambodian. It was run by 2 Cambodian people and thus hired mostly other Cambodians. Should they have stopped hiring other Cambodians because they didn't have enought white/black people, even if they were hard working? Are they raciest for hiring mostly Cambodians?

 

Mini-rant inspired from this post.

 

My manager had to turn away more competent help that had experience because some of those in charge felt there wasn't enough racial representation among the staff, they hired a college drop-out who hadn't worked a day in his life and left the job a week later due to finding it too difficult, forcing us to look for another native-american to hire despite none really looking for a job. We were hiring the first one to come through the door because people felt like representation mattered in the work force. Forcing representation anywhere isn't going to solve anything.

 

Race or gender shouldn't be a question when it comes to a novel cover or hiring for employment, it's all up to whom fits the role and what was envisioned. If I'm forced to turn away people because they're white and we want representation among staff, isn't that racism as well? We're dismissing one race out of hand and the others are welcomed for the sake of having the token employee to fit some arbitrary quota.

 

I don't want to go from having my books rejected for having different ethnicity protagonists to having my books rejected because they feature white protagonists, it solves nothing.

[Mockingword]

>person says something completely wrong

>asks what are you talking about in disbelief

>is called lazy

 

ok lol

If you'd been paying attention, you would've already known the answer.

[tara]

I'm not sure what to make of this. So, if Breaking Bad has a white actor when they could have had a black actor instead, it's unfair casting; but if it has a black actor, then it's unfair stereotyping? And how can you criticize stereotyping that "would have happened" if they had done such-and-such? Isn't that a pretty closed-minded stereotyping itself? Or have I simply misunderstood you?

 

What I meant more was that in casting, there's no reason to take a white guy over a black or asian or native american or whatever other race if the story doesn't get dramatically altered by it. However, the AUDIENCE would likely not take so well to a black actor playing a man who begins making meth, because they by and large don't empathize with him the same way they would with a white man.

 

I came to this conclusion based off of my own experiences, both within my family and without. If you'd asked my dad what he thought of a black man walking down the street in a dirty shirt, he'd say he was probably a drug addict who used all his money on things other than laundry. If you asked him about the same scenario but with a white guy instead, he'd just say that the guy's good clothes were probably at a dry cleaners, or he was in a rush to go somewhere like a CVS and really didn't need to bother changing clothes just to go to a store on the corner. He immediately jumps to the worst conclusion for PoC, but he empathizes with the white guy and assumes that he must have some reason to be wearing a crappy shirt.

[La_Mer]

Sure, but not with video games. I didn't say, and I don't recall anyone saying, anything about white people needing to feel guilty. They don't. And besides, not everything is made up of white men.

Donald Sterling just realized that. *rimshot*

What?

[Rusty Sandusky]

If you'd been paying attention, you would've already known the answer.

If YOU were paying attention you'd realise that you're an insufferable piece of trash

[Boisterous Bob]

How do you know when a casting agent is looking at you "as a person", and not merely seeing the colour of your skin?

By legislating mandatory standards, of course!

 

I stated a fact and added some insight. Card is a bigot, but acting like he's an aberration in the LDS is nonsensical.

 

You added nothing insightful; you made a controversial claim and supported it with nothing beyond your own words. You characterized a religion comprised of over 15 million people with heated buzzwords. What is nonsensical is thinking you can talk about 15+million people so callously and nonchalantly and have your words treated as a respectable opinion, or even, for crying out loud, "fact."

[ZombieOberyn]

No, it's not, he asked you to guess which race is most commonly asked for in casting calls for all movies.

 

"Depends on the movie" is not a valid answer, because he's asking you to identify an overarching trend across the entire industry.

And you don't see the connection between where the largest film industries are globally and this?

[Mockingword]

The only thing these threads convince me of is that you'd almost need an entire team just to cobble together trailers for everyone who wants something represented in the marketing, game development be damned.

 

I also really giggle at people wanting Bioware to market to everyone (read: minorities and LGBT, etc) but not everyone (the dreaded Call of Duty crowd).

Lol, Bioware already has an entire marketing department. Did you think it was just one person running the entire process of making ads all by their lonesome?

[Battlebloodmage]

Really man? At 3 o'clock in the morning you're going to nit-pick me for three words out of three paragraphs? I was talking in general terms. Context dude, I should have said white hires white, whatever, the point remains. And in fact is proven right then, you saw what I said as wrong because that was what you were looking for, the very paragraph you pulled from is about finding what you want not what was there.

It's more like a perception that Americans are synonymous with whites. Of course, it wouldn't imply anything other than the cultural stereotype that being perpetuated by the media.  

[ZombieOberyn]

White people are terrible. They should have to pay a tax every year for the privilege of being white tbh. 

So after my straight tax and male tax are factored in will I have enough money to keep a computer so I can write on tumblr how guility I feel for being white?

[O_OotherSide]

If they actively avoid hiring people of other races based purely on bias towards one race then, yes, they were racist. This situation is, again, ignoring context. 

But a white casting agent should aviod hiring people of his own race? The context is that a white nation has more white people in the media. So they should exlude white people. Because it is okay to be racist against that majority in their own country. Am I getting the context correct here?

 

I find the piticular insane when Bioware made mass effect and the protag didn't look white to me at all.

[Mockingword]

And you don't see the connection between where the largest film industries are globally and this?

I know that the largest film industries are in areas with ethnically diverse populations. 

[Dave of Canada]

And you don't see the connection between where the largest film industries are globally and this?

 

What do you mean I can't find work as a white actor in the Middle East or Japan? That's it, I'm trying Africa next.

[Battlebloodmage]

White people are terrible. They should have to pay a tax every year for the privilege of being white tbh. 

They probably have a butler to do it for them while they're going out to buy a pony for their daughter.

[Rusty Sandusky]

I know that the largest film industries are in areas with ethnically diverse populations. 

Come to Mill Park m8 and I'll give you an 'ethnically diverse'

[AresKeith]

If you'd been paying attention, you would've already known the answer.

How about just drop it and stop being antagonistic

[Paul E Dangerously]

Lol, Bioware already has an entire marketing department. Did you think it was just one person running the entire process of making ads all by their lonesome?

 

See, the problem is, the game itself is still actually in development. Meaning it isn't done yet. In a game with four different races and two genders each, I'd wager the character creation is still in progress.

[Kaibe]

While we've moved onto the idea of representation in general rather than in marketing...


Mini-rant inspired from this post.

My manager had to turn away more competent help that had experience because some of those in charge felt there wasn't enough racial representation among the staff, they hired a college drop-out who hadn't worked a day in his life and left the job a week later due to finding it too difficult, forcing us to look for another native-american to hire despite none really looking for a job. We were hiring the first one to come through the door because people felt like representation mattered in the work force. Forcing representation anywhere isn't going to solve anything.

Race or gender shouldn't be a question when it comes to a novel cover or hiring for employment, it's all up to whom fits the role and what was envisioned. If I'm forced to turn away people because they're white and we want representation among staff, isn't that racism as well? We're dismissing one race out of hand and the others are welcomed for the sake of having the token employee to fit some arbitrary quota.

I don't want to go from having my books rejected for having different ethnicity protagonists to having my books rejected because they feature white protagonists, it solves nothing.

I agree if by envisioned you mean actually able to do the job. If they can't do it, they shouldn't be hired just because they're a minority. I think the idea is that others shouldn't be barred from the job if they can do it.

[Dave of Canada]

I agree if by envisioned you mean actually able to do the job. If they can't do it, they shouldn't be hired just because they're a minority. I think the idea is that others shouldn't be barred from the job if they can do it.

That's what I meant, yeah. "Envisioned" was a poor word choice, it was supposed to be tied with the novel example instead of the work force example but constant revising left it a jumbled mess. Ironic.

[Mockingword]

How about just drop it and stop being antagonistic

How about people just do their own work?

[Mockingword]

Fixed to reflect the sad state of modern society.

What's sad about boys liking ponies?