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See, the problem is, the game itself is still actually in development. Meaning it isn't done yet. In a game with four different races and two genders each, I'd wager the character creation is still in progress.

We know they are still working on the Female Qunari models.



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But a white casting agent should aviod hiring people of his own race? The context is that a white nation has more white people in the media. So they should exlude white people. Because it is okay to be racist against that majority in their own country. Am I getting the context correct here?

 

I find the piticular insane when Bioware made mass effect and the protag didn't look white to me at all.

They should try to balance the casting, yes. White people are 70% of the population, about. They're casted in more than 70% of major roles. 

 

No, you're not getting it correct. 



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Fixed to reflect the sad state of modern society.


Don't forget the fedora.
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What's sad about boys liking ponies?


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See, the problem is, the game itself is still actually in development. Meaning it isn't done yet. In a game with four different races and two genders each, I'd wager the character creation is still in progress.

With five months left before release, it'd better be close. XD

 

This argument only holds water if you haven't played either Dragon Age game. The character creation process is only as slow as you want it to be.



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See, the problem is, the game itself is still actually in development. Meaning it isn't done yet. In a game with four different races and two genders each, I'd wager the character creation is still in progress.


Yes, the CC is still in development

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This

 

What's sad about bipedal fish liking ponies?



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>person says something completely wrong

>asks what are you talking about in disbelief

>is called lazy

 

ok lol

*reads back*

Wait, so it was like, "What are you TALKING about?? (You crazy person!)"?

Ack. If that's the case, then forgive me, I thought it was literally "what are you talking about?" Like a case of not being willing to scroll up to see what somebody was referring to. I'm sorry.

 

[...]Context dude[...]

lol careful... ;)

 

If YOU were paying attention you'd realise that you're an insufferable piece of trash

Reported. Please let's not get this locked y'all.


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#334
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You added nothing insightful; you made a controversial claim and supported it with nothing beyond your own words. You characterized a religion comprised of over 15 million people with heated buzzwords. What is nonsensical is thinking you can talk about 15+million people so callously and nonchalantly and have your words treated as a respectable opinion, or even, for crying out loud, "fact."


Do some research if you're ignorant on the matter.

Lol, Bioware already has an entire marketing department. Did you think it was just one person running the entire process of making ads all by their lonesome?


They have a small team that can't get anything accomplished if one person gets pneumonia. Hardly the elite squad of people it would take to make trailers and other marketing materials for every underrepresented minority under the sun.

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Anyone notice how we are off top... Nvm.

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*reads back*

Wait, so it was like, "What are you TALKING about?? (You crazy person!)"?

Ack. If that's the case, then forgive me, I thought it was literally "what are you talking about?" Like a case of not being willing to scroll up to see what somebody was referring to. I'm sorry.

 

Lol! No worries! ^_^


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Rusty Sandusky

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What's sad about bipedal fish liking ponies?


For further elaboration

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They have a small team that can't get anything accomplished if one person gets pneumonia. Hardly the elite squad of people it would take to make trailers and other marketing materials for every underrepresented minority under the sun.

Okay, either Bioware is part of the "GLOBAL LIBERAL CONSPIRACY" to force diversity down your throat, or they're a group of starving artists working out of their garage.

 

It can't be both. Pick one.



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I totally lost track of the topic while writing my posts b/c I'm hecka slow and this thread is really starting to pick up pace.

 

I DON'T KNOW WHATS GOING ON


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#340
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I don't actually understand anything that is being said on that page.  :(



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I totally lost track of the topic while writing my posts b/c I'm hecka slow and this thread is really starting to pick up pace.

 

I DON'T KNOW WHATS GOING ON

This thread is devolving to a state where it being locked and warnings and/or possibly bans will be issued.


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With five months left before release, it'd better be close. XD

 

This argument only holds water if you haven't played either Dragon Age game. The character creation process is only as slow as you want it to be.

 

I spend more time playing Dragon Age than I do debating social justice issues on BSN. Which is pretty much the inverse from this place.


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No, his Hawaiian ancestry were mixed with a bunch of European, and that wouldn't be my point anyway. He still looks white, and that's the reason why he was casted to play that part. Your reason for why Goku would be a white guy would be your hypothesis, not what actually happen. I have other cases where the races were changed to use it as a possible reason why Goku were made a white person. America is a multi-cultural country. The countries you mention is usually more homogeneous.

 

Many of the greatest Asian actors have problem speaking English because they were famous in their country. The actors who are born here don't have a chance to prove themselves because there are no roles for them to play. Since most of the roles either don't exist or rewrite to be played by a white actor. Actually, in Romeo Must Die, the tested audience didn't like the first ending where he gets the girl, so they changed it. It wasn't because it wasn't being made, it was there but changed because the audience dislike it. Tell me how that's not racism. The conception of the movie was to feature an Asian actor, yes, but they change it. Paul Walker was after the script has been changed to feature a white actor in it. I think it's also a problem when people think racism doesn't exist. Of course it is easier to hand wave the problem as if it doesn't exist than facing the alternative that racism is still alive and well, I guess. I love how you say Americans tend to hire Americans as if Asians are not Americans.

 

His father is 100% Hawaiian, his mother is English, it’s not hard to find that out. But I’ll take your point fine, he “looks White.” With that, see my reply to the other guy about the Americans hiring Americans thing, its 3 in the morning here and I’m a bit tired, mistake will happen. On point though, it isn’t racist for the studio to change a film because of the reaction of the test audience, which may have been based on many factors - maybe the problem wasn’t that he was Asian, maybe the problem was their chemistry didn’t feel real and the scene felt forced and awkward, perhaps the rest of the film didn’t set up the relationship right and it was just a surprise and didn’t work- we’ll never really know unless we were there. The truth is that studios want to make money, they only care about green, that’s why they’d only hire people who cut off their noses if that’s what the audience demanded and would make them the most money.

 

And I suppose I may have misunderstood what you were talking about with the Goku thing, my bad, I thought you were asking for other alternative besides the pure racism you thought it must have been and since neither of us was in the room when the decision was made and thus we only have speculation and opinion I gave a possible reasoning. And like I said about Tokyo Drift, my understanding was that there was never a point where it was not going to be Paul Walker so IDK what your source is and maybe it is more accurate than mine, which to be fair is just my friend who was obsessed with Paul Walker and practically worshiped the guy.

And I know racism exists, and it’s often being fuelled by a lot of people in powerful positions to keep people down. I just think it is silly to look for it and force it into places where it isn’t, it’s not hard to find real racism, why look for the made up kind, I think that claiming it where it isn’t is belittling to when it really happens. But that’s just me.



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I spend more time playing Dragon Age than I do debating social justice issues on BSN. Which is pretty much the inverse from this place.

My favourite food is pepperoni pizza.

 

I assume this is a game where we take turns making completely irrelevant statements?



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I know that the largest film industries are in areas with ethnically diverse populations.  :rolleyes:

Ethnically diverse yes, but still rooted in the culture of history of Western European civilization, AKA where all of those terrible white people came from.

 

If history had played out different and Africa had played the role of Europe becoming a dominant power starting in the 15-16th century and leading the world from an industrial perspective, don't you think there would be a global majority of black actors? Or in 2000 years when the Aztecs return from space and conquer the planet don't you think there will be a majority of Aztec actors?



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Also yes. The game is still in development. Development is not as easy as saying "alright looks good, add it to the other modules." Development has to go through refinements, testing ,quality assurance. The inquisitors model in the trailers is not something made from the character creator but just an attatched mesh. I doubt race/sexual orientation was the first thing that animator thought about when he was working on it on a Thursday night , half asleep and wondering if the bioware offices have any pop tarts.

More trailers are coming and they can be better representation there. As I said these are feature trailers with the features having top priority. Features are the MOST important thing to this product.

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Okay, either Bioware is part of the "GLOBAL LIBERAL CONSPIRACY" to force diversity down your throat, or they're a group of starving artists working out of their garage.

It can't be both. Pick one.


I never said they were either of those things. Are you trying to put words in my mouth or are you genuinely stupid?

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Ethnically diverse yes, but still rooted in the culture of history of Western European civilization, AKA where all of those terrible white people came from.

 

If history had played out different and Africa had played the role of Europe becoming a dominant power starting in the 15-16th century and leading the world from an industrial perspective, don't you think there would be a global majority of black actors? Or in 2000 years when the Aztecs return from space and conquer the planet don't you think there will be a majority of Aztec actors?

Maybe, who cares? That's not the reality.

 

Just because some hypothetical alternate universe is racist against white people doesn't make it okay to be prejudiced in our own dimension.



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Also yes. The game is still in development. Development is not as easy as saying "alright looks good, add it to the other modules." Development has to go through refinements, testing ,quality assurance. The inquisitors model in the trailers is not something made from the character creator but just an attatched mesh. I doubt race/sexual orientation was the first thing that animator thought about when he was working on it on a Thursday night , half asleep and wondering if the bioware offices have any pop tarts.

More trailers are coming and they can be better representation there. As I said these are feature trailers with the features having top priority. Features are the MOST important thing to this product.

I'm pretty sure that animator was creating a character according to specifications laid out days in advance, rather than something he came up with on the spur of the moment.

 

Also, nobody is saying it's the fault of any individual animator.



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They should try to balance the casting, yes. White people are 70% of the population, about. They're casted in more than 70% of major roles. 

 

No, you're not getting it correct. 

Well at least I got the part where its okay to be racist agianst the majority correct. Why don't you spell out the rest for me. You should exclude white people because there is too many of them and hire more PoC because there is not enough. Well, what happens if the game/movies staring PoC don't make as much money? Should you continue to force people to hire less white people?