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People don't hate Kai Leng because he Asian, people hate Kai Leng because he is Kai Leng.
I'm sorry, but paying money to play a game just because it has "gay content" is ridiculous to me. It's so shallow. You may as well just pay for porn instead of video games. I'm a bisexual, biracial man but I don't give two ****s about bisexual content in games that I would otherwise not play or marketing materials featuring biracial PCs.
"Paying money to buy a game just because the company seems to respect you is so shallow."
I'm sorry, but paying money to play a game just because it has "gay content" is ridiculous to me. It's so shallow. You may as well just pay for porn instead of video games. I'm a bisexual, biracial man but I don't give two ****s about bisexual content in games that I would otherwise not play or marketing materials featuring biracial PCs.
Good for you! Not everyone is you, though. Some people find it refreshing to find a game where they can play someone like them and not be some kind of weird joke.
You make it sound as if that happening in real life is reason to market it in a video game ad campaign. Some people shove footballs up their bums but I don't expect BioWare to market to that demographic.
Ah, comparing minorities to people who shove ridiculous things up their rear ends. Very classy. A+
I'm sorry, but paying money to play a game just because it has "gay content" is ridiculous to me. It's so shallow. You may as well just pay for porn instead of video games. I'm a bisexual, biracial man but I don't give two ****s about bisexual content in games that I would otherwise not play or marketing materials featuring biracial PCs.
Why do you assume it's anything to do with sex? I bought the games for the gay content because I've literally never been able to experience another story where a gay man could be a fantasy hero.
If you wouldn't buy media for that experience, bully for you. It shouldn't be a surprise that not everyone shares your preferences.
That's just how I feel though. It seems like it's okay to change race of Asian to white and no one would bat an eyelash. There's a sense that it's acceptable to discriminate against Asian. It's subtle racism. I shouldn't make it about comparing because it's another issue about comparing Asian with other races. They're often being viewed as the model minority, being pitted against other races by the majority. People often ignore the bamboo ceiling which limit the Asian's potential despite their achievement in school and on the field. The stereotypes perpetuate by the media often create a prejudice within the population regarding Asian.
Emily Wong is cool, but we don't often see Asians in position of power like Kai Leng and not being treated as a joke. With Bioware's stand on homosexuality, I wish for more positive representation of Asians all around.
Emily Wong taking combat training and joining my team as an asskicking journalist would have been better than Kai Leng.
Ugh, now I'm daydreaming.
Remember when video games were about marketing gameplay, mechanics and story? Good times.
I miss those days
Remember when video games were about marketing gameplay, mechanics and story? Good times.
Many people who never saw a single character like themselves, gay, a woman, a person of color, would disagree about those being the 'good times'.
I think the opposite. I think people have a tendency to see Bioware as being better than they really are, just because there is literally no other option.
I can't speak to race, since that doesn't directly affect me, but I can definitely say that, despite their public stance about inclusivity, Bioware's treatement of LGBT players and characters is less than respectful.
I mean, they commissioned a prominent and outspoken anti-gay activist to write a Dragon Age spin-off comic, and outside of romance content (which up until DA2 has been heavily estricted for saame-sex oriented players), LGB relationships are hidden (Bioware calls this 'being subtle'), and the characters in those relationships frequently end up dead.
I agree, there really aren't any alternatives. And so while I agree that Biowares handling is still far from perfect, I would much rather spend my time here, trying to voice those problems and encourage them to try and be better/encourage them to lead by a better and better example. But I completely understand what you mean 
I'm feeling oddly optimistic in this moment...not entirely sure why haha
What anti-gay writer though? I hadn't heard about that.
I'm sorry, but paying money to play a game just because it has "gay content" is ridiculous to me. It's so shallow. You may as well just pay for porn instead of video games. I'm a bisexual, biracial man but I don't give two ****s about bisexual content in games that I would otherwise not play or marketing materials featuring biracial PCs.
Well...maybe using the L word was a bad example because I don't want porn. And its not shallow. People who go and watch romantic comedies aren't going there as a porn alternative, they want something different; romance, maybe some comedy etc. I want violence and sorcery, adventure, choice, and yeah, romanctic subplots.
I really hate how asking for LGB content is instantly discussed as wanting pornographic content. Like...its not? And I do not understand why anyone tries to shame anyone else by equating it to porn and dating sims.
It is funny to me that the assumption from the trailers we've seen is that the Inquisitor being used is straight. Is it because he isn't actively kissing a dude? As if that's the bar and he can't be gay without them showing him kissing a dude? How do you know they aren’t giving you what you want and marketing a gay Inquisitor, just you know, most actual gay people look just like straight people in most context outside of a bedroom with a partner? And the statistics of the general population have a figure of about 1 in 10 people are gay. So Bioware is already over representing the gay population in the game if more than one of the 12 people (9 companions and 3 advisors) close to the Inquisitor are gay. Not that I’m saying they shouldn’t have the options for a gay Inquisitor to have several romance options, just saying let’s keep it real here. Bioware is way above most companies when it comes to representing diverse people groups.
The Inquisitor, by the way, looks way more southern European, as in from Italy or the south of Spain, than “white” which would be Anglo, English, Irish, Welsh or French. To keep it in DA universe, he looks more Antivain or Rivaini than he does Fereldan or Orlisian. It actually make me a little angry that all “white” people get grouped together, we do it to the Asian and Spanish (I can’t count the time I’ve heard someone who is Cuban, Spanish, Brazilian, or Honduran get called Mexican by an ignorant person) people too. Why don’t we all just call each other people? Why don’t we stop saying, “you need to rep more minorities,” because we are all human and regardless of skin color are the same in our core, so how about we just stop? We can discuss showing the other races, like elf or whatnot, or even representing women but to get up in arms because he is “white,” is just ridiculous.
Also, it isn't just marketing to a single group to use a single figure (whatever that figure may be), it is also about having unity in what you show. The BSN is a minority in the gaming industry, out of all my gamer friends, all of whom are fans of Bioware’s games and are super excited for DA:I – I am the only one on the BSN and actively keeping up with DA news. Most people don't go looking for a bunch of info about a game, they just want a cool trailer, and so showing a bunch of different Inquisitors would just confuse the average game buyer. Telling a marketing expert, like the ones Bioware no doubt hirers how to do their job is like telling your doctor how to treat you, leave it to them, they went to school for it and get paid money because they know what they are doing. Marketing isn’t a place to make a big political statement about equality and freedom, it’s where the company shows off the game they are trying to make money with. They have maybe two minutes per trailer, they are trying to show the games action and graphics, not start a revolution with their game.
Good for you! Not everyone is you, though. Some people find it refreshing to find a game where they can play someone like them and not be some kind of weird joke.
Ah, comparing minorities to people who shove ridiculous things up their rear ends. Very classy. A+
Yup, that's annoying, and imagine how a minority feels when their already limited roles are being changed and played by a white guy simply because they're being viewed as unmarketable and undesirable, not because of some kind of novelty or some kind of bold statement of Hollywood like with Nick Fury and black Viking. Those are minor roles, it's Hollywood's way of "showing" how progressive they are. I find it more "cute" than annoying. I dare them to change superman to an Asian or Spiderman to a black guy. I don't think Captain America's shield would be strong enough to withstand the flame from the nerdrage.
Exactly. Every hollywood movie will have a white guy. Even "true stories" have the leads whitewashed into white people.
There was joke on tumblr about how even if there's a movie about how all white people on earth have disappeared, the lead will still be a white guy.
What anti-gay writer though? I hadn't heard about that.
Comic: http://dragonage.wik...Age_(IDW_comic)
Writer: http://en.wikipedia....rson_Scott_Card
The issue is not about ratio. It's just nice to have some positive representation. It's not like people demand or force Bioware to do this or do that. They don't actually have to do anything. It's more like people just want to bring the attention to them if it's something they would consider doing. With a popular game like this, it's a good opportunity for the mass to be exposed to others' culture and way of life. I know a lady that hasn't met a black person before she were 18.
But people do seem to be demanding this. I remember a lot of angry poster when it turned out the, agian, the company ran by mostly white men put a white male in the trailer. They went off about how white male is always the default. Well I've never been to japan but I would be willing to bet "japanese male" is the default there. Of course the majority race if going to be the default, I truly don't understand what the problem is.
Hey, it's the guy who wrote Ender's Game.
Wow, well...now I just think I was repressing that...cause it sounds ever so vaguely familiar...but maybe thats just b/c I read a lot about the coverage of the Ender's Game movie? Thank you for tracking down the links!
Exactly. Every hollywood movie will have a white guy. Even "true stories" have the leads whitewashed into white people.
There was joke on tumblr about how even if there's a movie about how all white people on earth have disappeared, the lead will still be a white guy.
72 ronins based on a Japanese story but staring a half white guy who look like a white guy being discriminated for being white. The Last Samurai starring Tom Cruise. The Last Airbender has a bunch white white kids in an Asian culture. Yeah, Hollywood has an obsession with Asian culture... played by white folks.
I have to pull out a Dave Chappelle's classic: "The Last N____ on Earth starring Tom Hanks".
Thedas may be based off of medieval Europe- but it isn't Europe. There's no reason that a fictional land has to keep the same percentage of different ethnicities/races/whatever as historical Europe.
P.S. Europe has more than white people. Even in the medieval ages. (link is to a blog dedicated around dismantling the old idea that Europe has been all white people, all the time)
You ignored how it should be expeced that the white male company put outs white male protag defaults.
I'm sorry, but paying money to play a game just because it has "gay content" is ridiculous to me. It's so shallow. You may as well just pay for porn instead of video games. I'm a bisexual, biracial man but I don't give two ****s about bisexual content in games that I would otherwise not play or marketing materials featuring biracial PCs.
Congratulations. How about this? You don't tell me what I should spend my money on and I'll do the same for you. I never said that you had to buy games because of gay content, but I choose to. I'm an adult man with a disposable income and my reason for buying the game is as valid as yours. The fact is, marketing to a specific demographic that isn't the "majority" does in fact help sell games. You claimed it didn't work that way but within an hour, about a half dozen people posted differently.
Also, "gay content" doesn't consist solely of romance content. If a game has a major NPC who is gay or lesbian, I consider that gay content as well. Your immediate "chicken little" squawking about how "gay content" "might as well" be porn shows your immaturity.
Why don’t we all just call each other people? Why don’t we stop saying, “you need to rep more minorities,” because we are all human and regardless of skin color are the same in our core, so how about we just stop?
I'm gonna stop you right here. I'm sure you don't intend for this to be insulting, but... It is. Things like "we all bleed red! We're all human!" actually dismisses the differences we have as human beings. We should be CELEBRATING was makes each of us unique, and saying "We're all the same in the end," is the opposite of that. So please, do not say this like this because it is racist* and can even go as far as downplay or even erase the impact a persons culture had on them as a person.
*I am not trying to call you a bad person, or that YOU are a racist, but that the phrase is.
But people do seem to be demanding this. I remember a lot of angry poster when it turned out the, agian, the company ran by mostly white men put a white male in the trailer. They went off about how white male is always the default. Well I've never been to japan but I would be willing to bet "japanese male" is the default there. Of course the majority race if going to be the default, I truly don't understand what the problem is.
A lot of Japanese games starring white people though like Resident Evil, Silent Hill, Siren Blood Curse, Final Fantasy, Lost Planets, Devil May Cry, etc.
You ignored how it should be expeced that the white male company put outs white male protag defaults.
And? Why can't I sit down and say, "hey guys, please be careful and think about what you do because even if you don't intend to make all your characters the "default white" and forget about other ethnicities, you still do it sometimes"?
Surely it isn't so much of a stretch to simply ask if it's possible for game developers (and other people in media!) to consciously make sure they aren't accidentally falling into the same old default white dude protag syndrome.
Hey, it's the guy who wrote Ender's Game.
It's also the guy who wrote a 1990 essay stating that people who engage in homosexual sex should be expelled from society or jailed.
He also wrote Homosexual 'Marriage' and Civilization, an essay which asserts that homosexuality is inherently linked to paraphilia and pedophilia.
It's also the guy who wrote a 1990 essay stating that people who engage in homosexual sex should be expelled from society or jailed.
He also wrote Homosexual 'Marriage' and Civilization, an essay which asserts that homosexuality is inherently linked to paraphilia and pedophilia.
Yeah, he's a dick, that one. I didn't know that he wrote a Dragon Age comic. That makes me a bit upset actually.
You ignored how it should be expeced that the white male company put outs white male protag defaults.
BioWare has homosexuals, women and people of colour on its staff.
Most game developers probably do. BioWare is just open about it. It's not a "white male company" at all.
72 ronins based on a Japanese story but staring a half white guy who look like a white guy being discriminated for being white. The Last Samurai starring Tom Cruise. The Last Airbender has a bunch white white kids in an Asian culture. Yeah, Hollywood has an obsession with Asian culture... played by white folks.
and heck, why not american culture experienced by asians as well?
Many people who never saw a single character like themselves, gay, a woman, a person of color, would disagree about those being the 'good times'.
If I could give you a thousand likes for this statement, I would.
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