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[La_Mer]

Ah, good point. But there are still folks who even after they figure out that Serena isn't Sailor Moon's real name are still convinced she's white. boooooo
 

 
AFAIK, the rainbow hair that's common in anime is to help distinguish the characters more easily where it would normally be "varying shades of black and dark brown." But as I am not Japanese, I can't say for sure. (Also, it makes it easier to figure out who the important characters are if they're the only one with pink hair and red eyes in a highschool classroom full of brown-haired kids).
 
I couldn't tell you why Goku turned blond, though. I don't watch Dragonball.

Probably a dose of shrewd marketing too. Corner East Asia and the West with it. Maybe I'm too cynical though.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Ah, good point. But there are still folks who even after they figure out that Serena isn't Sailor Moon's real name are still convinced she's white. boooooo

 

 

AFAIK, the rainbow hair that's common in anime is to help distinguish the characters more easily where it would normally be "varying shades of black and dark brown." But as I am not Japanese, I can't say for sure. (Also, it makes it easier to figure out who the important characters are if they're the only one with pink hair and red eyes in a highschool classroom full of brown-haired kids).

 

I couldn't tell you why Goku turned blond, though. I don't watch Dragonball.

Well, the slightly unnatural hair colors are to show the kinds of hair that do exist, for example the "black hair but has a blueish sheen to it" is done as black with a little blue mixed in. 

[Battlebloodmage]

Its not racism I think(hope) its marketing being a bunch of backwards jackasses that think the public is racist. I think(really hope) the majority of the public would rather Goku be asian.

That's the issue right there. It's catch-22. The image of Asian being heroic doesn't exist among the public, but then the developers afraid to make characters featuring Asian in those roles because they afraid the public doesn't like it. You could see why people asking for positive representations, right? Someone has to take the first step. If casting were truly blind, I wouldn't give two s--- about Asian or gays in video games.

[Mockingword]

Except those issues have nothing to do with gaming.

Nothing has anything to do with gaming unless you say it does, apparently. 

 

Even issues of representation in video games have nothing to do with gaming, because Dave of Canada doesn't want to talk about it. Dave of Canada only wants to talk about the important issues. Like the minutiae of the made-up history of an imaginary place.

 

Maybe you live in a world where society and media have absolutely no interaction with each other, but the rest of us inhabit Earth. For minorities, the issue of representation is extremely relevant, because it affects them in real life. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Thanks lil buddies

Isn't he a member of the LDS?

Please don't involve us with him.  

[AresKeith]

Except those issues have nothing to do with gaming. We're talking about marketing, it should focus on the game

 

Man I miss those days

[O_OotherSide]

I've just skimmed these past few pages so I'm not sure in what context this quote is, but if applied to Dragon Age I've got this to say:

 

Making white protags is fine, what isn't fine is when that's all there is. This is because we are becoming a more and more increasingly diverse world. In fact white people are the minority, when the entire population of the planet is considered.

 

I don't think comparing "us" (whoever "we" collectively are) to other cultures is very useful in this respect. For instance, I can point out how sexist and racist Korea is (and I can because I've lived there for a couple years), but their problems do not excuse our problems, if you know what I mean. We should always strive to be better than what we are, no matter what someone else is doing in some other faraway land.

 

So just because the Dragon Age Korean equivalent has no interest in showing non-Koreans in their trailers (which would make sense for them because there are verrryyyyy few people of other ethnicities in that country), doesn't mean North America should stop trying to branch out.

 

(Aaaand this post may or may not have made sense. )

 

It made sense I just disagree very stongly. It comes off as you people wanting to force more minorities into the fiction. I don't really care if thats what they want, but throwing a hissy fit because a company in a mostly white country made a white protag is ridiculous. Who are you to tell a writter or artist that they can't have another white guy because there are too many white guys. How dare you attack a company because of the color of their character's skin.

 

If I'm white and I want to make a white character, who the hell are you to give me **** over it. Just like if you want to make a gay character who am I to throw a fit over that?

[Divine Justinia V]

Please don't involve us with him. 

 

I didn't mean to lol, I just remember reading that he is apart of that community/following/religion (sorry I don't know how to put it)

[Mockingword]

please stop trying to make this more than what it is it's really unnecessary and a bit exhausting thanks bye

You must be very easily exhausted indeed, since you need me to paraphrase a page-long conversation to spare you the trouble of reading it yourself. 

[Warden-Commander Loghain]

Except those issues have nothing to do with gaming. We're talking about marketing, it should focus on the game rather than social justice which should be reserved for the real world politics.

It seems like this will just go in one ear and out the other unfortunately.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I didn't mean to lol, I just remember reading that he is apart of that community/following/religion (sorry I don't know how to put it)

He is, though his beliefs are not shared by most among us.

[Warden-Commander Loghain]

You must be very easily exhausted indeed, since you need me to paraphrase a page-long conversation to spare you the trouble of reading it yourself. 

Just drop it. There is no need to continue to be condescending and rude.

[tara]

It made sense I just disagree very stongly. It comes off as you people wanting to force more minorities into the fiction. I don't really care if thats what they want, but throwing a hissy fit because a company in a mostly white country made a white protag is ridiculous. Who are you to tell a writter or artist that they can't have another white guy because there are too many white guys. How dare you attack a company because of the color of their character's skin.

 

If I'm white and I want to make a white character, who the hell are you to give me **** over it. Just like if you want to make a gay character who am I to throw a fit over that?

 

I don't think anyone would be mad or give someone **** over making a character white/black/etc. in a way that made sense, but I believe that they would have every right to be upset if there was no concrete reason to make the protag white for no other reason than "just cause" when you can easily make them PoC and not change the story whatsoever. Why make a white protag and blend into the huge mass of other white protags when you could... not do that?

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I don't understand this attitude like white male developers or a white male audience will inherently be repelled or alienated if the media they're working with isn't also white males. Why is there this expectation that the majority hates sharing their toys and is automatically put off when they see someone of a different race or gender in advertisement? As a white male, myself, I have to say, this isn't how I feel at all. White males can also recognize that they've been disproportionately represented and find it refreshing to see someone else in the spotlight, for once. It's not as if anyone is saying that a white male should never again be allowed to be a video game protag.  

[AresKeith]

You must be very easily exhausted indeed, since you need me to paraphrase a page-long conversation to spare you the trouble of reading it yourself. 

 

Must you always act like that?

[Mes]

It made sense I just disagree very stongly. It comes off as you people wanting to force more minorities into the fiction. I don't really care if thats what they want, but throwing a hissy fit because a company in a mostly white country made a white protag is ridiculous. Who are you to tell a writter or artist that they can't have another white guy because there are too many white guys. How dare you attack a company because of the color of their character's skin.

 

If I'm white and I want to make a white character, who the hell are you to give me **** over it. Just like if you want to make a gay character who am I to throw a fit over that?

 

Whoa CALM down. No one is throwing hissy fits or forcing anyone to do anything. 

 

You go write whatever you want, whenever you want, and I guarantee no one from this forum will bother you about it.

[Mockingword]

Just drop it. There is no need to continue to be condescending and rude.

But there is apparently a need for other people to be rude to me. 

[Dave of Canada]

 

Even issues of representation in video games have nothing to do with gaming

 

You have representation from BioWare. You can be black, asian (sort of), white, gay, bisexual, straight, etc. This thread asks for marketing of a video game, asking that everything under the rainbow be portrayed in marketing and I'm arguing that marketing's primary focus should be profit-driven and focus on the game itself rather than showing off it's inclusiveness to minorities.

 

Maybe you live in a world where society and media have absolutely no interaction with each other, but the rest of us inhabit Earth. For minorities, the issue of representation is extremely relevant, because it affects them in real life.

 

Again, we're talking about marketing. We're talking about appealing to the widest, broadest group of people and trying to sell a game.

[Divine Justinia V]

He is, though his beliefs are not shared by most among us.

 

Ah, well thank you for letting me know

 

I don't understand this attitude like white male developers or a white male audience will inherently be repelled or alienated if the media they're working with isn't also white males. Why is there this expectation that the majority hates sharing their toys and is automatically put off when they see someone of a different race or gender in advertisement? As a white male, myself, I have to say, this isn't how I feel at all. White males can also recognize that they've been disproportionately represented and find it refreshing to see someone else in the spotlight, for once. It's not as if anyone is saying that a white male should never again be allowed to be a video game protag.  

 

It's much easier to just assume it's all because of ~ white male developers ~ than anything else, at least that's how it seems here.

[Mockingword]

Must you always act like that?

Let me make something clear.

 

If I seem consistently rude, it's because I don't like you.

[Warden-Commander Loghain]

But there is apparently a need for other people to be rude to me. 

I may not have been here for too long, but from what I have seen in this subforum along, you continuously antagonize.

 

You have representation from BioWare. You can be black, asian (sort of), white, gay, bisexual, straight, etc. This thread asks for marketing of a video game, asking that everything under the rainbow be portrayed in marketing and I'm arguing that marketing's primary focus should be profit-driven and focus on the game itself rather than showing off it's inclusiveness to minorities.

 

 

Again, we're talking about marketing. We're talking about appealing to the widest, broadest group of people and trying to sell a game.

I'm inclined to agree with this post. That is how marketing will always work, otherwise it will more than likely deem itself ineffective.

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Anyway, while this applies to nearly all western media. I do give dragon age a pass for its whiteness. At least for the humans.

[Mes]

I don't understand this attitude like white male developers or a white male audience will inherently be repelled or alienated if the media they're working with isn't also white males. Why is there this expectation that the majority hates sharing their toys and is automatically put off when they see someone of a different race or gender in advertisement? As a white male, myself, I have to say, this isn't how I feel at all. White males can also recognize that they've been disproportionately represented and find it refreshing to see someone else in the spotlight, for once. It's not as if anyone is saying that a white male should never again be allowed to be a video game protag.  

 

Great post. I'd wager that most white males wouldn't bat an eyelid at a non-white, non-straight character in a trailer. Or even better - they might be intrigued. Unfortunately a small number of very vocal bad apples can give off quite a different impression.

[Mockingword]

Again, we're talking about marketing. We're talking about appealing to the widest, broadest group of people and trying to sell a game.

Yeah, and you know which market is broader than the "straight white male demographic"?

 

The everybody market.

 

And since the everybody market is diverse in ethnicity, gender and sexuality (surprise surprise), it's not a stretch to suggest that the best way to appeal to it is by reflecting that diversity and making those people feel included.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Ah, well thank you for letting me know

No problem.