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[justafan]

So we all know from ME2 that after Shepard and the 5th fleet destroyed Sovereign, the Reapers took an interest in humanity and wanted to make them the next reaper.  My question is, given humanity was seen as insignificant when Sovereign began his plan, who initially was to have the "honor" of making up the next Sovereign class?

 

Was it the Turians as indicated by his use of Saren?  Or was it someone else?  I know Sovereign smack talks the  species of your squadmates in his combat dialogue in ME2, but does he ever indicate who was originally chosen?

[SwobyJ]

Turians.

 

No, not confirmed. But Turians.

 

Second place either Asari or Salarians.

 

Would have been different if various conflicts ended differently (Krogan, Turian Unification, etc).

 

Quarians were too late in the game, and if we go by current lore, they'd be immediately disqualified for encouraging the 'chaos' as opposed to the 'disciplined' Turians.

[cap and gown]

Why does it just have to be one? There is some speculation about making "a" reaper during each cycle, but then Vendetta says each cycle is somewhat different, with some cycles having one dominant species (like the Protheans) and other cycles have a number of species (like the current cycle). Besides, they never really went anywhere with the Human Reaper. All they really wanted was a rad-looking boss for the final fight. Aesthetics before sense is a feature of the MEverse.

[General TSAR]

Turians.

 

Didn't Harby dismiss them as primitive?

 

Was it the Turians as indicated by his use of Saren?  Or was it someone else?  I know Sovereign smack talks the  species of your squadmates in his combat dialogue in ME2, but does he ever indicate who was originally chosen?

You're getting your reapers mixed up. Sovy bought the farm two years prior, Harby is now Reaper-in-chief.

[justafan]

Turians.

 

No, not confirmed. But Turians.

 

Second place either Asari or Salarians.

 

Would have been different if various conflicts ended differently (Krogan, Turian Unification, etc).

 

Quarians were too late in the game, and if we go by current lore, they'd be immediately disqualified for encouraging the 'chaos' as opposed to the 'disciplined' Turians.

 

If I recall, Harby said the Quarians were worth considering due to their cybernetics, but that ultimately their immune system was a no-go (probably that and numbers too).  That was the closest I remember to him having anything positive to say about non-humans

 

I just assumed it was Turians, really, as I doubt the reapers care much for the importance of Asari Culture or Salarian intrigue.

[SwobyJ]

Why does it just have to be one? There is some speculation about making "a" reaper during each cycle, but then Vendetta says each cycle is somewhat different, with some cycles having one dominant species (like the Protheans) and other cycles have a number of species (like the current cycle). Besides, they never really went anywhere with the Human Reaper. All they really wanted was a rad-looking boss for the final fight. Aesthetics before sense is a feature of the MEverse.

 
Even if you believe that MacWalt switched things up for ME3, the Human Reaper in ME2 was at the very least going to be used to solve a great problem of the Reapers. It wasn't just reproduction or 'let's make a giant monster'. Any horrific look, as mentioned throughout the trilogy, was more for the sake of psychological warfare than anything else. If they can design things that visually terrify animals/humans/sapient organics, then they might as well - easier to push in the direction they want.
 
I know there's the whole aesthetic/marketing reasons behind it all, but I don't buy the argument that there was no logical reason behind making husks, Collectors, and the Human Reaper core what they looked like.
 

Didn't Harby dismiss them as primitive?

 
True. For all we know, the Reapers had no plan to make any sort of 'capital' Reaper, and were just going to turn the Turians into organic-ish slaves and harvest the rest into smaller Reapers. *shrug*
 

You're getting your reapers mixed up. Sovy bought the farm two years prior, Harby is now Reaper-in-chief.

I'll always carry my idea that Sovereign = The Catalyst until Bioware directly indicates otherwise.

[I Tsunayoshi I]

Didn't Harby dismiss them as primitive?

 

 

You're getting your reapers mixed up. Sovy bought the farm two years prior, Harby is now Reaper-in-chief.

Harbinger was always the lead Reaper I believe. I dunno why they'd leave their 'leader' behind to take care of the usual.

[DeinonSlayer]

Harby says "Turian. You are considered... too primitive."

Trying to remember. Quarians were compatible with cybernetics but their immune systems were too weak, Krogan were disqualified by the genophage, Drell were too few, Geth were "an annoyance," Asari dependency on other species for reproduction was viewed as a weakness...

...for the record, I'm not a fan of the "humans are special" meme either.

[SwobyJ]

If I recall, Harby said the Quarians were worth considering due to their cybernetics, but that ultimately their immune system was a no-go (probably that and numbers too).  That was the closest I remember to him having anything positive to say about non-humans

 

I just assumed it was Turians, really, as I doubt the reapers care much for the importance of Asari Culture or Salarian intrigue.

 

Yeah like I said, it was if we went by current (ME3) lore.

 

The only thing we really know, if we go by Harbinger, was that he was looking for species with strong bodies, minds, and a genetic diversity. I know people harp on the genetic diversity bit, but I actually view that as 'how far can we stretch the genetics in various ways before its structure and species collapses'. In that case, maybe the other MEU Citadel species would never be able to evolve over time/effort into what humanity may one day become. Quarians, on the other hand, can barely have healthy immune systems.

 

I also headcanon that while Harbinger was having his own focus of experiments, the 'Intelligence' was looking for something much broader.

[justafan]

Yeah like I said, it was if we went by current (ME3) lore.

 

The only thing we really know, if we go by Harbinger, was that he was looking for species with strong bodies, minds, and a genetic diversity. I know people harp on the genetic diversity bit, but I actually view that as 'how far can we stretch the genetics in various ways before its structure and species collapses'. In that case, maybe the other MEU Citadel species would never be able to evolve over time/effort into what humanity may one day become. Quarians, on the other hand, can barely have healthy immune systems.

 

I also headcanon that while Harbinger was having his own focus of experiments, the 'Intelligence' was looking for something much broader.

 

That actually makes a lot of sense, because really, if he wanted genetic diversity, humans are a terrible example.  It's theorized that about 50,000 year ago humanity went through a population bottleneck with perhaps as few as 3,000 individuals left on Earth.  This means we would have terrible genetic diversity.

 

Wait a minute, 50,000 years ago…….  It's a Reaper conspiracy! 

[SwobyJ]

"How good of a Reaper can I transform this species into, without it no longer being of that species", basically. In very simple terms.

[cap and gown]

That actually makes a lot of sense, because really, if he wanted genetic diversity, humans are a terrible example.  It's theorized that about 50,000 year ago humanity went through a population bottleneck with perhaps as few as 3,000 individuals left on Earth.  This means we would have terrible genetic diversity.

 

Wait a minute, 50,000 years ago…….  It's a Reaper conspiracy! 

 

Hmm. Black Monoliths. Fibonacci sequences. Also Sprach Zarathustra. Star Child!

 

It all makes sense! Mac Walters is an alias for Arthur C Clarke!

[shodiswe]

I don't think it has to be just one Reaper dreadnaught.

But species like the Elchor, Hanar and Quarians will likely get a desroyer since there are so few of them and they arn't seen as significant in any way.

[Remix-General Aetius]

Harbinger was the first Reaper ever created, according to Leviathan. Sovereign was just a vanguard, but one of many capital Reapers. and when did Harby say anything about turians being too primitive?

[Pirate Queen Isabela]

Harbinger was the first Reaper ever created, according to Leviathan. Sovereign was just a vanguard, but one of many capital Reapers. and when did Harby say anything about turians being too primitive?

 

http://masseffect.wi...)/Battle_Quotes

 

Scroll down to "about the Squad".

[Daemul]

Every race gets made into a Reaper, it's just that one is chosen to be a Capital Reaper whilst the rest are turned into Destroyers. 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Every race gets made into a Reaper, it's just that one is chosen to be a Capital Reaper whilst the rest are turned into Destroyers. 

 

Organic life must be preserved. Marmalade Theory.

[Iakus]

Every race gets made into a Reaper, it's just that one is chosen to be a Capital Reaper whilst the rest are turned into Destroyers. 

 

Well, that's how it is now, once Bioware decided to stack the deck even higher than it already was...