So how do you want to meet Alistair in Dragon Age Inquisition ?
As king?
Or
As Grey Warden ?
It going to be interesting seeing the both sides but I'm most looking forward to Alistair the king ![]()
Alistair as King or Grey Warden in Inquisition ?
#1
Posté 08 mai 2014 - 12:19
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#4
Posté 08 mai 2014 - 12:26
Given my warden had him put to death,I don't want to meet him at all, as meeting his zombie corpse would be quite disturbing.
Why did you kill him ?
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#5
Posté 08 mai 2014 - 12:31
Why did you kill him ?
Warden taught him to stick up for himself. Sadly when the Warden didn't execute his future father in law and Alistair made plain his threat to the throne there was little option but to send him to the gallows.
I have other playthroughs where he lives as king or drunkard(but 'my man who would be king') who learned lessons in viciousness from Howe is my favourite.
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#6
Guest_StreetMagic_*
Posté 08 mai 2014 - 12:35
Guest_StreetMagic_*
I don't want to see him again, but I don't think he needs to die either. He just doesn't have anything to offer to me except trying to be cute and deflecting everything with humor. I don't see what's so cool with that, unless you're a niche audience.. like a female romancing him. For anyone else, he comes off pretty weak. If I want him happy, I might stick him with the Wardens. He likes them more than I do. I hate the Wardens.
#7
Posté 08 mai 2014 - 12:43
I don't want to see him again, but I don't think he needs to die either. He just doesn't have anything to offer to me except trying to be cute and deflecting everything with humor. I don't see what's so cool with that, unless you're a niche audience.. like a female romancing him. For anyone else, he comes off pretty weak. If I want him happy, I might stick him with the Wardens. He likes them more than I do. I hate the Wardens.
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#9
Posté 08 mai 2014 - 01:29
Both, since my Warden is married to him in my favoured playthrough with him as King, and alive where he pops up as a Warden being my number 2, I always look forward to the mention. Yes, I'm one of those who is hopelessly attached to my Warden...
I never really wanted to see Morrigan again since I can't stand her, but I don't really have a choice in that...
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#10
Guest_StreetMagic_*
Posté 08 mai 2014 - 01:37
Guest_StreetMagic_*
Both, since my Warden is married to him in my favoured playthrough with him as King, and alive where he pops up as a Warden being my number 2, I always look forward to the mention. Yes, I'm one of those who is hopelessly attached to my Warden...
I never really wanted to see Morrigan again since I can't stand her, but I don't really have a choice in that...
I feel the same way about Morrigan. I don't care for romancing her, but that's her main appeal (imo). If I lose any desire for that (in either her or Alistair's case), I don't know why I should care about them. They're supposed to be "flagship" characters, but I don't know why. They seem niche to me. If anything, I think all the DA2 characters were better.. I found all kinds of reasons to care about their storyarcs, romanced or not.
#11
Posté 08 mai 2014 - 02:14
I feel the same way about Morrigan. I don't care for romancing her, but that's her main appeal (imo). If I lose any desire for that (in either her or Alistair's case), I don't know why I should care about them. They're supposed to be "flagship" characters, but I don't know why. They seem niche to me. If anything, I think all the DA2 characters were better.. I found all kinds of reasons to care about their storyarcs, romanced or not.
I'm the complete opposite lol, other than Varric I didn't really get attached to any of the DA2 companions, I don't care about Hawke either, I'm not sure why... I guess I'm just so attached to DA:O as a whole.
Morrigan was very difficult for me to get along with, I'm a nice person in reality and that tends to come out in games I play too, but I'm fine with that.
I do adore Alistair, and I know many others that do, he's a good guy, he's funny, in reality I would befriend someone like that. The only other DA:O companion that I care nothing for is Zevran, he actually makes me feel sick...
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#12
Guest_StreetMagic_*
Posté 08 mai 2014 - 02:24
Guest_StreetMagic_*
I'm the complete opposite lol, other than Varric I didn't really get attached to any of the DA2 companions, I don't care about Hawke either, I'm not sure why... I guess I'm just so attached to DA:O as a whole.
Morrigan was very difficult for me to get along with, I'm a nice person in reality and that tends to come out in games I play too, but I'm fine with that.
I do adore Alistair, and I know many others that do, he's a good guy, he's funny, in reality I would befriend someone like that. The only other DA:O companion that I care nothing for is Zevran, he actually makes me feel sick...
Well... it's not so much the individual characters as it is what they symbolize. Some of them represent bigger issues about the world. Fenris and slavery (and Tevinter). Anders and Mage freedom. Merrill and Dalish lorekeeping. Isabela is tied into Qunari issues a bit (especially later on in comics).
Aveline and Varric are more like DAO characters... they just represent themselves. I like DAO characters too, but almost all of them are like this. They're not expanding the world. They expand on their personal lives, for the most part. Alistair doesn't represent Ferelden politics to me. He's in his own world. Morrigan doesn't represent mages much. She's more about being antisocial and valuing power. Leliana doesn't represent the Chantry. Her beliefs are actually at odds with the Chantry. Sten and Wynne are the exceptions.
Sorry... major derail. Hope that makes sense.
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#13
Posté 08 mai 2014 - 02:38
Well... it's not so much the individual characters as it is what they symbolize. Some of them represent bigger issues about the world. Fenris and slavery (and Tevinter). Anders and Mage freedom. Merrill and Dalish lorekeeping. Isabela is tied into Qunari issues a bit (especially later on in comics).
Aveline and Varric are more like DAO characters... they just represent themselves. I like DAO characters too, but almost all of them are like this. They're not expanding the world. They expand on their personal lives, for the most part. Alistair doesn't represent Ferelden politics to me. He's in his own world. Morrigan doesn't represent mages much. She's more about being antisocial and valuing power. Leliana doesn't represent the Chantry. Her beliefs are actually at odds with the Chantry. Sten and Wynne are the exceptions.
Sorry... major derail. Hope that makes sense.
Yes, that makes sense
. In that sense I agree, none of them represent what it is that they're tied to, but I never looked at it that way before, they either have a likeable personality or they don't, I relate to them...or I don't etc.
#14
Posté 08 mai 2014 - 02:56
Honestly, I'm going to try both. I made him King on my actual playthroughs but I was always curious about him remaining a Warden aside from what you see in DA2. So, my plan is to do one world state with the Keep where Alistair remains a Warden.
#15
Posté 08 mai 2014 - 02:57
As skippable event.
#16
Posté 08 mai 2014 - 03:11
Aspects of his character touch all areas; abandoned, cared for at arms length, given to the Chantry, troubled by Chantry politics, a witness to the glory and horrors of magic, affected by the blight, betrayed by his leaders... and then (given player choices) convinced to continually carry burdens entirely larger than himself.
Alistair's use of humor, IMO, is purely a coping mechanism not intended to denote lack of interest or irresponsibility. If Alistair can't find something to smile about then what else has he got?
In a position of authority Alistair is then shown to think of the big picture while always remembering the little people who help to paint it.
I've never agreed with the decisions to not back Alistair, but alas IDIC at least I can see the opposing view points. :-)
With that said, you can't retire from being a Warden. King Alistair is both a monarch and a warden.
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#17
Posté 08 mai 2014 - 03:14
Well... it's not so much the individual characters as it is what they symbolize. Some of them represent bigger issues about the world. Fenris and slavery (and Tevinter). Anders and Mage freedom. Merrill and Dalish lorekeeping. Isabela is tied into Qunari issues a bit (especially later on in comics).
Aveline and Varric are more like DAO characters... they just represent themselves. I like DAO characters too, but almost all of them are like this. They're not expanding the world. They expand on their personal lives, for the most part. Alistair doesn't represent Ferelden politics to me. He's in his own world. Morrigan doesn't represent mages much. She's more about being antisocial and valuing power. Leliana doesn't represent the Chantry. Her beliefs are actually at odds with the Chantry. Sten and Wynne are the exceptions.
Sorry... major derail. Hope that makes sense.
You need characters to represent a particular cause in order to value them? That's interesting. I think the fact that many didn't see DAII characters like Fenris as having enough of their own personality beyond being figureheads for a particular world view is the exact reason why they aren't as loved in general.
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#18
Guest_StreetMagic_*
Posté 08 mai 2014 - 03:14
Guest_StreetMagic_*
I think Alistair is an embodiment of the people.
That's where I definitely disagree. He seems like a weak Ferelden to me. Something more like a Prince Charming out of a Disney tale. Ferelden is known more for it's dog lords and badass barbarian tall tales.
Loghain was the man of the people. Maric named him "Mac Tir" for that very reason. "Son of the land".
Not that I want to make this a Loghain vs Alistair thread, but he represented the best and worst of the people.
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#19
Posté 08 mai 2014 - 03:16
I think Alistair is an embodiment of the people.
Aspects of his character touch all areas; abandoned, cared for at arms length, given to the Chantry, troubled by Chantry politics, a witness to the glory and horrors of magic, affected by the blight, betrayed by his leaders... and then (given player choices) convinced to continually carry burdens entirely larger than himself.
Alistair's use of humor, IMO, is purely a coping mechanism not intended to denote lack of interest or irresponsibility. If Alistair can't find something to smile about then what else has he got?
In a position of authority Alistair is then shown to think of the big picture while always remembering the little people who help to paint it.
I've never agreed with the decisions to not back Alistair, but alas IDIC at least I can see the opposing view points. :-)
With that said, you can't retire from being a Warden. King Alistair is both a monarch and a warden.
That's very true, very well explained! And most likely the reason that I like him as much as I do, where people saw him as whiney, I never did, I think feeling empathy...even for a fictional character is a very good quality to have.
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#20
Posté 08 mai 2014 - 03:16
As king, as Zam so eloquently puts it above Alistair embodies Ferelden.
#21
Guest_StreetMagic_*
Posté 08 mai 2014 - 03:17
Guest_StreetMagic_*
Even my dog doesn't like Alistair. So much for representing Ferelden. ![]()
#22
Posté 08 mai 2014 - 03:26
He is a man of the people, the people love a hardened Alistair that you put on the throne... what does the ending slide say? He rules with a common touch? Or something... I have to go and check now *fires up post coronation save*
EDIT: Ok, he ruled with a fair and even hand, perhaps unhardened Alistair rules with a common touch, I don't remember (not sure where I got that from, but it's there...in my mind). So I'm in total agreement with Zam and Maria, he represents Ferelden and it's people.
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#23
Guest_StreetMagic_*
Posté 08 mai 2014 - 03:31
Guest_StreetMagic_*
I know the epilogue you speak of. I think he's personable and kind of charming. I just don't think he represents Ferelden specifically much. If that's what "of the people" means.
And I'm serious about the dog. The fact that my mabari bonds with Loghain and Morrigan more says a lot.
#24
Guest_Caladin_*
Posté 08 mai 2014 - 03:42
Guest_Caladin_*
I like Alistair tbh, thought he was funny an in the end he grew a pair, which was desperately needed, that said end of the day its a game, and i have done every possible play through available, with him either dead/drunk/warden or king for the simple fact of seeing how each an every story pans out in future games.
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#25
Posté 08 mai 2014 - 03:53
I really don't understand the Alistair hate. He's such a bro to you throughout the entire game. I only allowed that mongrel Loghain to live once just to experience that side of the story, and it felt entirely out of character for my Warden to so randomly and deeply betray Alistair like that. It made me sick.
Anyway, Alistair would be a Grey Warden in my canon universe. Although my canon Warden was a bit leery of Anora, he felt that there was no other option -- Alistair didn't want to be king, so that was that.
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