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[themikefest]

I will have a playthrough with him as a Grey Warden and another playthrough as king.

[VikingDream]

I think I may have one world state that has Alister as king with my female elf mage warden I have never killed him but maybe I should and make a male warden king 0.o I've seen him as a drunk in DA2 thanks to gibbed editor for DAO saves to import to DA2. 

 

With the keep you should be able to have upto 10 world states so you can have every ending from DAO. 

[Mykel54]

Alistair: Bad templar, Bad warden, Bad king. Good man.

 

Plus Good drunk.

[sylvanaerie]

Exiled, sacrificed or executed preferably (I jest on the last one, if he's going to die he will die honorably).

 

But of the two, I would say Grey Warden. Alistair doesn't have the maturity or emotional detachment to be leading a nation. He's best doing what he knows best, hunting darkspawn (and the occasional blood mage given his training). Anora knows when to be diplomatic and when to reign in her emotions (including watching her father die before her), something Alistair really hasn't mastered. It's okay that Alistair is sensitive, which means he'd be good leading a squad of Grey Wardens and looking out for them, but it doesn't make for a good ruler though. Rulers have to be pragmatic and see the big picture, which is what Anora does best.

 

I prefer him as Grey Warden myself as well.  Anora is much better at doing the 'hard choices' that come with ruling.  Besides, she wants it, he doesn't and I love sticking it to Eamon by putting her on the throne.  It's sad the line of Calenhad must end considering everyone who died to put Maric on the throne, but I think people should be able to choose their own path, not be tied to some 'inexorable destiny', and he's much happier IMO as a warden.

[Nonoru]

Given my warden had him put to death,I don't want to meet him at all, as meeting his zombie corpse would be quite disturbing.

 

Hey, what do you think the Necromancer specialization is for? 

[Annarl]

I love Alistair but I never bought him as King.  So I generally left him in the Grey Wardens, where he seemed happier.

[robertmarilyn]

Alistair stayed with the wardens in my male human noble play-through. In my female human noble play through, he became king and married my female noble. The wedding was beautiful (with mods). 

[Revan Reborn]

Alistair's purpose in Dragon Age really only makes sense if he is king. If you really, heavily consider it, he is the kind of king Ferelden needs. The problem with Cailan is he was born into a life of privilege and raised to be a king. He never knew anything else. Alistair, being his bastard half brother, had quite the opposite upbringing. He was discarded at an early age and looked down upon. He always felt like an outsider. He never fit in anywhere he went.

 

He initially grew to resent this for a long time, but eventually he learned to turn that into a strength. He grew to have humility and compassion for others, rather than look down upon them as if they were merely subjects. He is an unconventional kind of leader, but he is the one who cares and will ultimately stay by your side while any other would flee the battle for fear of death. He will not judge you by your class status or determine your worth by your name and house. In his eyes, everybody is equal, and his ruling and leadership in Awakening and DA2 reflected that.

 

As a male warden, it didn't make sense for me to claim the throne and rule jointly with Anora. Not only was she the kind of queen that would have prevented true change and prosperity in Ferelden, but the Warden, turned Warden-Commander had other obligations much bigger than ruling a kingdom. On a side note, I really just couldn't stand Anora regardless, so Alistair always ruled independently while my Warden continued his duty to defend Thedas against any future and impending attacks by the Darkspawn.

 

As far as Alistair continuing to be a Warden, becoming a drunkard, or even being executed, none of those options were ever feasible nor remotely made sense to me personally. Alistair has a birthright to the throne and he is one of the few who actually has royal blood and deserves to use it. I can't even imagine the state that Ferelden would be in if he wasn't ruling and it was Anora or the Warden instead.

[herkles]

Alistair's purpose in Dragon Age really only makes sense if he is king. If you really, heavily consider it, he is the kind of king Ferelden needs. The problem with Cailan is he was born into a life of privilege and raised to be a king. He never knew anything else. Alistair, being his bastard half brother, had quite the opposite upbringing. He was discarded at an early age and looked down upon. He always felt like an outsider. He never fit in anywhere he went.

 

He initially grew to resent this for a long time, but eventually he learned to turn that into a strength. He grew to have humility and compassion for others, rather than look down upon them as if they were merely subjects. He is an unconventional kind of leader, but he is the one who cares and will ultimately stay by your side while any other would flee the battle for fear of death. He will not judge you by your class status or determine your worth by your name and house. In his eyes, everybody is equal, and his ruling and leadership in Awakening and DA2 reflected that.

 

As a male warden, it didn't make sense for me to claim the throne and rule jointly with Anora. Not only was she the kind of queen that would have prevented true change and prosperity in Ferelden, but the Warden, turned Warden-Commander had other obligations much bigger than ruling a kingdom. On a side note, I really just couldn't stand Anora regardless, so Alistair always ruled independently while my Warden continued his duty to defend Thedas against any future and impending attacks by the Darkspawn.

 

As far as Alistair continuing to be a Warden, becoming a drunkard, or even being executed, none of those options were ever feasible nor remotely made sense to me personally. Alistair has a birthright to the throne and he is one of the few who actually has royal blood and deserves to use it. I can't even imagine the state that Ferelden would be in if he wasn't ruling and it was Anora or the Warden instead.

 

NIce analysis though I am curious, what do you think of a female noble ruling as queen with Alistair? 

[VikingDream]

Or or that matter an Elf mage ruling with alister can i even do that it's been so long I can't remember 

[herkles]

Or or that matter an Elf mage ruling with alister can i even do that it's been so long I can't remember 

 

No, only female human nobles can rule jointly with Alistair. All others can become his mistress though.

[SwordofMercy1]

If he does appear for me, he better be the bad a$$ king I made him in DA:O. It would really suck if Alistair suddenly decided to be the 'I-don't-care-king' that he could have been and let Anora rule in over him instead of together like I got them to. I don't know. Part of me is still kinda worried that we are going to get those instances where are choices from the previous games basically don't matter cause Bioware wants something else. Just a personal thing I guess.

[Lady Mutare]

Al is my husband, so if he returns as a King, or Warden I am with him either way. Anora was a barren, annoying elitist wench.  My Female Noble Warden had more cause to the throne than Anora had anyway, even if I didn't marry AL.  Also aren't the merchants from 'the Warden keep" decedents of Maric's family and wouldn't they then have a claim to the throne as well?

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Neither. He's much cooler as the slayer of an Archdemon.

[Frogtoad51]

Alistair was a good friend in Origins. I feel bad that he turned out a bitter drunk but I stand by my choices.

 

1. Despite being a megalomaniac, we need all the Grey Wardens we can get right now with the blight breathing down our necks. Heck yea give Loghain a chance to redeem himself as a Grey Warden!

 

2. I would choose Anora for the throne over Alistair any day. Anora has 5 years of experience ruling the nation and has already proven to be a capable ruler. Alistair knows how to swing a sword but doesn't know squat about ruling a nation or being King. Besides look what happened to King Harrowmont or Ned Stark from Game of Thrones. Good, honorable, men usually get eaten alive in court.    

[sylvanaerie]

Al is my husband, so if he returns as a King, or Warden I am with him either way. Anora was a barren, annoying elitist wench.  My Female Noble Warden had more cause to the throne than Anora had anyway, even if I didn't marry AL.  Also aren't the merchants from 'the Warden keep" decedents of Maric's family and wouldn't they then have a claim to the throne as well?

 

No, they are from Sophia Dryden, another Warden who launched a rebellion against King Arland (who was a tyrant).

[FiveThreeTen]

Always King married to Anora in my playthroughs. Only variation is Hardened/Not Hardened whether I want Loghain alive or not.

[Gorthaur the Cruel]

I always preferred to make a hardened Alistair rule alongside Anora.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I always preferred to make a hardened Alistair rule alongside Anora.

Me too. Alistair and Anora is the best outcome for Ferelden. 

[Frogtoad51]

Alistair and Anora is the best outcome for Ferelden.

After I spared Loghain I thought about convincing these two to marry but I decided against it. No way was I going to let Alistair sit on his laurels while we do all the fighting and then be rewarded with a royal wedding afterwards. 

[Lady Mutare]

@Sylvanerie

Arlessa Sophia Dryden was cousin to Arland. She had as strong a claim to the ferelden throne as the boy did. She was sentenced to death and was forced to be a grey warden. She survived and had children.  Those children would have a claim to the throne.  

[Ascendra]

King Alistair with my Warden as mistress, Anora as Queen, and Morrigan as a mother of a demon baby  

Because I'm nasty and it shows how selfish my Warden is while she saves the world.

[Revan Reborn]

 

NIce analysis though I am curious, what do you think of a female noble ruling as queen with Alistair? 

 

I would still argue that the Grey Wardens need some leadership to consolidate their influence in Ferelden. Alistair is more than enough to lead Ferelden because of his birthright and his experiences he gained as an outsider, a templar, and as a Grey Warden. It has made him uniquely qualified to be King. A female noble still, in my opinion, should focus on rebuilding, consolidating, and bolstering the Grey Wardens back to their pre-Blight numbers. With the loss of Duncan and many others, the Grey Wardens are in much need of revival, and having a former Grey Warden on the throne only furthers that goal.

 

If both Alistair and the Warden find themselves ruling Ferelden, then I feel the Grey Wardens would only suffer, of which is not in the best interest of Ferelden or Thedas. Someone has to be the face of Ferelden, while someone has to be the faceless hero willing to do what needs to be done. That's how I personally viewed my choices with my Warden. He might not be king and he may not have the most glamorous job in the world, but he certainly has the most important one.

[ShadowLordXII]

Grey Warden Alistair with King Cousland for my Qunari Rogue World State and King Alistair with Warden Mistress for my Human Mage's World State

[Revan Reborn]

Alistair was a good friend in Origins. I feel bad that he turned out a bitter drunk but I stand by my choices.

 

1. Despite being a megalomaniac, we need all the Grey Wardens we can get right now with the blight breathing down our necks. Heck yea give Loghain a chance to redeem himself as a Grey Warden!

 

2. I would choose Anora for the throne over Alistair any day. Anora has 5 years of experience ruling the nation and has already proven to be a capable ruler. Alistair knows how to swing a sword but doesn't know squat about ruling a nation or being King. Besides look what happened to King Harrowmont or Ned Stark from Game of Thrones. Good, honorable, men usually get eaten alive in court.    

I believe you are mistaken about the second part and Alistair's qualifications. Anora has lived a life of wealth and prosperity. Yes, you could say she was "groomed" to be a ruler, but that's exactly what makes her ill-fit to rule. She is in line with the status quo. She has no understanding or perspective on the people she is ruling over. Her narrow-minded and traditionalist perspective, while she may know what she is doing, isn't necessarily what is in the best interest of Ferelden as a whole (compare her to Cersei since you used the GoT reference). In many ways, I saw her to actually be worse than Loghain as at least he built his way up to his position (much like Tywin Lannister), versus her just being born and wedded into power.

 

Alistair, in contrast, has seen an entirely different side of Ferelden. He initially was protected by Arl Eamon, but he set out on his own path to find himself. By being viewed as an outsider and learning the various lessons he did from the Templar Order and the Grey Wardens, Alistair has a much better understanding of what Ferelden actually needs, even if he doesn't know it. What also makes him an even stronger candidate is the fact that he doesn't want to be king. Generally the ones you want in power are the ones who don't want the power. They are more likely to not abuse it, as opposed to those, such as Anora, who will abuse it based on their own "understanding" of what is best for the country.

 

The Warden isn't qualified for the mere fact that he/she is now the leader of the Grey Wardens in Ferelden. Even if you were a Cousland, your home was burned and all your previous titles were left after you consumed the taint. I would find it irresponsible for the Warden to then turn his/her back on the very organization that just saved the world for the simple need of power and titles. That entirely misses the point of what being a Grey Warden is about. That's why Alistair wanted to remain a Grey Warden. However, he didn't realize how crucial it was that he continue his bloodline in a way that would benefit Ferelden, rather than continue down a path of destruction under someone less legitimate and not noble.