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Uniting Ferelden and Orlais?


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mlgumm

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I like the idea of being able to unite a political marriage between Empress Celene and King Alistair, or Queen Anora and Gaspard, depending on who's on the throne of Ferelden and who we're supporting in the war. It's not unprecedented, after all

 

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It could be a good way to make a major decision from DAO relevant and tie the two together. Also, to prevent war between the two and/or unite them against Qunari invasions in future games.

 

I'm just really into the possible political ramifications of this game, you guys.

 

 

 

 

 



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Well uniting them would mean ferelden being consumed by orlais as loghain said and to be honest i wouldn't trade orlais for ferelden it is like trade Duncan for Howe.


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Yeah uniting just means consumed. Then Ferelden gets to bow to its foreign Empress, and her Orlesian Heirs, attend the capital of Val Royeaux, and fight Nevarra for them.
I mean I personally wouldn't mind the option of helping Orlais get Ferelden, I'd actually like that to happen. But really its nothing more than screwing over Ferelden who will absolutely no doubt get the short end of the stick.


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Possibly, but Anora and Hardened!Alistair are both savvy rulers with plenty of years on the throne at this point. I wouldn't say they're necessarily going to be overpowered by their new spouse, if they get one.


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I think it's a bit of a reach to assume this would lead to the countries uniting rather than commencing a campaign of political, economic and religious in-fighting against each other.


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Union? More like subjugation.  Anora and my ruling Warden would never allow it. 


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I'd see a Ferelden-Nevarra alliance more plausible than a Ferelden-Orlais alliance.


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I usually don't care to take sides in country to country conflicts but I kind of do take Ferelden's side on this one. If there was going to be any kind of unity, id say it would have to be on Ferelden's terms.



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For Ferelden to dictate terms they would need more time for them to recover from the blight and Orlais to suffer from the civil war, It would have to be a complete role reversal really with Orlais extremely weak and Ferelden extremely strong... So lets hope they start getting to work on a good navy and secure themselves some good millitary alliances.



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no orlais dont need that pathetic fereldan.



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I'll be in the cold ground long before I hand over my beloved Ferelden to those painted fops!
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no orlais dont need that pathetic fereldan.

Ferelden was able to hold off a Blight with only the help of the Dalish and Dwarves. Orlais needed more than that to deal with the Dalish when they were powerful. :P


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no orlais dont need that pathetic fereldan.

They certainly want it though, the trade the coastlands along the waking sea can bring in for them will make them alot richer.. Thats why they built Amaranthine when they conquered it last time, its all mainly about the Coastlands.



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Ferelden was able to hold off a Blight with only the help of the Dalish and Dwarves. Orlais needed more than that to deal with the Dalish when they were powerful. :P

Well to be honest ferelden is still alive only thanks to the warden because he killed archdemon otherwise as it is stated they wouldn't hold much longer.



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I'd see a Ferelden-Nevarra alliance more plausible than a Ferelden-Orlais alliance.

plus Nevarra is going to hit a succession crisis, so having another royal line join the pentagasts might galvanize Nevarra enough against the loss of the Pentagast line.
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Well to be honest ferelden is still alive only thanks to the warden because he killed archdemon otherwise as it is stated they wouldn't hold much longer.

I'm just saying Orlais needed a lot more help for a lot less of a threat. 

 

 

plus Nevarra is going to hit a succession crisis, so having another royal line join the pentagasts might galvanize Nevarra enough against the loss of the Pentagast line.

Indeed.



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Perhaps, but as far as I'm aware we're not going to Nevarra as far as I know.  At least, not in this game.

 

I can see either Celene or Gaspard marrying a Ferelden if they thought it would help them take the throne. That puts Ferelden in a position of power as far as negotiations go, so they'd probably get to dictate quite a few of the terms. I really see it as being a true alliance between the two countries, unless you put a soft!Alistair on the throne. He probably wouldn't get as fair a shake as Hardened!Alistair or Anora.



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A political marriage between the two counttries if done correctly, would only help them both. It's certainly possible it would cause them to become a single nation, or ferelden as a vassal state of the orlesion empire, or just a permanant alliance in trade and warfare. You really don't know. The only time something like this is black and white is when one side has the other over a barrel. With ferelden regaining its stength after the blight and Orlais in a civil war it really looks like Ferelden would have the stronger stance in negotiations. They could very easily make a mutually beneficial trade alliance or mutual protection or w/e in exchange for eachothers help with thier own problems.


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Ferelden was able to hold off a Blight with only the help of the Dalish and Dwarves. Orlais needed more than that to deal with the Dalish when they were powerful. :P

 

 

Ferelden had an invaluable asset...

 

A PLAYER CHARACTER

 

Tevinter would've bitchslapped the first blight and still rule Thedas if they had on of those !

 

(I'm only half-joking here, the Darkspawn chronicles is how the blight would've ended without our Warden)


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I'd rather see Ferelden unite with mages and elves (Dalish and otherwise).



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Ferelden had an invaluable asset...

 

A PLAYER CHARACTER

 

Tevinter would've bitchslapped the first blight and still rule Thedas if they had on of those !

 

(I'm only half-joking here, the Darkspawn chronicles is how the blight would've ended without our Warden)

Well, and Alistair leading. An unhardened Alistair at that. :P



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Perhaps, but as far as I'm aware we're not going to Nevarra as far as I know.  At least, not in this game.

 

I can see either Celene or Gaspard marrying a Ferelden if they thought it would help them take the throne. That puts Ferelden in a position of power as far as negotiations go, so they'd probably get to dictate quite a few of the terms. I really see it as being a true alliance between the two countries, unless you put a soft!Alistair on the throne. He probably wouldn't get as fair a shake as Hardened!Alistair or Anora.

Dictate terms? Extremely unlikely... As soon as the extremely blight weakened backwater starts trying to strongarm any negotiations they will be laughed out of the Talks. A "True alliance of two countries" would result exactly like it Always does when a small weak country marries into a Superpower, The Superpower will dominate the weak one.. Majority of collected trade and general tax revenues will go to the capital which will be in Val Royeaux to be certain, The heir will be raised in Val Royeaux and be part of Orlesian Culture since it is the dominating and "more sophisticated" of the two, the superior one. If Ferelden marries Orlais, Orlais will definitly make Ferelden its ******, The chances of this not happening in such a union are almost nil.

 

A political marriage between the two counttries if done correctly, would only help them both. It's certainly possible it would cause them to become a single nation, or ferelden as a vassal state of the orlesion empire, or just a permanant alliance in trade and warfare. You really don't know. The only time something like this is black and white is when one side has the other over a barrel. With ferelden regaining its stength after the blight and Orlais in a civil war it really looks like Ferelden would have the stronger stance in negotiations. They could very easily make a mutually beneficial trade alliance or mutual protection or w/e in exchange for eachothers help with thier own problems.

Nah, it would only help Orlais, It almost certainly would result in Ferelden being A vassal or Orlais or A single Orlesian nation. Ones A backwater and ones a superpower, its very clear this will be the result - its actually quite black and white. Even without a blight Orlais is vastly stronger than Ferelden, And considering they've had a blight.. 10 years is nowhere near enough time to recover from such an event.. Even with the Civil War Orlais will clearly be the more powerful of the two, Ferelden wont have any stronger A stance in the negotiations than they normally would...Which is itself A weak stance anyway, but since they are nowhere near recovered from the blight it will be even weaker.

Mutually beneficial Alliance is extremely unlikely, after the Fereldens fail trying to dethrone their stupid Monarch for marrying Orlais, they will be pressed into war with Nevarra and helping their overlords expand.


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Don't discount Ferelden so easily. Yes it's weakened from the blight, but what military they do have is battle hardened and well equipped (you did pay for that right?) and can count on allies from close by (The dwarves could potentially hold the frostbacks easily, meaning any intervention from Orlais has to come by sea).

 

I think Ferelden could definitely put a dog in the fight if needed (pun intended).