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[Hanako Ikezawa]

Don't discount Ferelden so easily. Yes it's weakened from the blight, but what military they do have is battle hardened and well equipped (you did pay for that right?) and can count on allies from close by (The dwarves could potentially hold the frostbacks easily, meaning any intervention from Orlais has to come by sea).

 

I think Ferelden could definitely put a dog in the fight if needed (pun intended).

The Dwarves would more likely side with Orlais since they have the Chantry who buys their lyrium.

[Cobra's_back]

Well, and Alistair leading. An unhardened Alistair at that.

Did you put an unhardened Alistair on the throne? Not everyone left him that way. 

[Cobra's_back]

I'd rather see Ferelden unite with mages and elves (Dalish and otherwise).

same here.

[Cobra's_back]

Ferelden, mages and elves now that is a powerful force.

[Tranter88]

Well that depends on your Warden I suppose, but any Warden still alive and with a vested interest in the fate of the country, probably has a number of chips still to call in from the dwarves. Plus Ferelden also has a chantry and freeish circle of magi depending on your choices.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Did you put an unhardened Alistair on the throne? Not everyone left him that way. 

No, Alistair in the Darkspawn Chronicles was unhardened is what I was saying. 

[Augustei]

Orzammar fufilled a treaty they signed and helped The Hero of Ferelden and the Grey Wardens fight the blight because the hero got the King of Orzammar his throne. They aren't helping Ferelden fight against Orlais, there is no way in hell even A King as stupid as Harrowmont is that dumb. They have nothing to gain and a great deal to lose, since they have a great many trade contracts the majority of which are with Orlais... So no, the Dwarves aren't holding the frostbacks for them.

And yes the sucessful invasion will come by sea, like it did last time and the superior Orlesian navy will crush the Fereldens.
Then the superior Orlesian millitary lands in the coastlands and attacks from there. I "discount" Ferelden easily because its so easy to discount them, They are extremely weak and nowhere near recovered from the blight, 10 years is simply not nearly enough time for a country to recover from a war that bad.
Not to mention Orlais is a superpower and Ferelden is a backwater anyway, so even before the blight Fereldens odds weren't great.

The only way Ferelden can stand against an Orlesian invasion is with Nevarran assistance, and Nevarra would have to do alot of Bitchwork to make it work which really just isnt worth it for them considering the ratio of contribution to the war effort there would be between the two countries.

Ferelden needs to prove itself capable to be able to secure an Alliance with Nevarra. While that could eventually be achived, Theres no indication it will happen anytime soon nor is it likely to happen within the next few years without some development from Ferelden both Internal and External.

And its highly unlikely the Free Marches city states will do anything for Ferelden, in fact they are more likely to advocate Orlesian interests considering the 3 most powerful city states: Kirkwall, Starkhaven and Tantervale are either kowtowing to the Chantry or outright ruled by them in Kirkwalls case, Hawkes actions availing to little considering the Divine sent many more Templar contingents to the city to consolidate Templar authority as mentioned by Varric at the end of DA2.

Ferelden could, if managed properly..Certainly make Orlais bleed for Ferelden, but they couldn't do enough at the moment to stop the invasion.

So come DAI, if you want to advocate Ferelden interests pick Celene for the throne: because while both her and Gaspard want Ferelden, she would rather taking it through Subtler means giving A smart monarch something to work with and make overtures of peace and esentially kiss Orlesian behind while rebuilding Fereldens strength whereas Gaspard would rather take it through much more blunt means leaving little wiggle room for Ferelden =P
Best case scenario for Ferelden would be A Qunari Invasion, then they have a pretext to start building a massive navy without alerting/drawing concern from their neighbours...Like Orlais.

[TheKomandorShepard]

No, Alistair in the Darkspawn Chronicles was unhardened is what I was saying. 

Well i doubt he was as he killed elves and recruited werewolves , saved anvil , spared howe and vaughan and did ritual with morrigan pretty much decisions that u aistair would not take.

 

Best scenario would be if my inq pushed orlais into chaos or pre-long civil war also i guess that orlais will get most problem with veils.

[Mistic]

So come DAI, if you want to advocate Ferelden interests pick Celene for the throne: because while both her and Gaspard want Ferelden, she would rather taking it through Subtler means giving A smart monarch something to work with and make overtures of peace and esentially kiss Orlesian behind while rebuilding Fereldens strength whereas Gaspard would rather take it through much more blunt means leaving little wiggle room for Ferelden =P
Best case scenario for Ferelden would be A Qunari Invasion, then they have a pretext to start building a massive navy without alerting/drawing concern from their neighbours...Like Orlais.

 

You summed up Ferelden's chances and possible actions very nicely. Yes, Ferelden would have a hard time if Orlais decides to attack them. Fortunately, thanks to the new End Of The World As We Know It, Orlais won't be interested in a fight in the near future. That's the "Qunari invasion" you were looking for.

 

Celene's plan to marry the King of Ferelden was interesting. Several powerful countries through history have been born out of dynastic marriages (Crusader Kings II players would understand it perfectly), so it was clever of her to think of it. Loghain wouldn't approve, of course.

[Sylvianus]

 so it was clever of her to think of it. Loghain wouldn't approve, of course.

 

And Eamon.    .

[Sifr]

I wonder what would happen if a m!Cousland who married Anora decided to "pull a Cailan" and attempted to ditch her for Celene?

 

After all, screwing over Alistair's birthright in order to seize the throne for yourself, (no matter how justified the reasons you might have had for wanting to do so), still was kinda a tool move on the m!Cousland's part, since you went behind both Alistair (your comrade-in-arms since Ostagar) and Eamon's (your political backer) back to pull it off.

 

Of course, Hero of Ferelden or not, I can't imagine that nobility in Ferelden would leave much of them for Anora to string up afterwards...

[TheKomandorShepard]

I wonder what would happen if a m!Cousland who married Anora decided to "pull a Cailan" and attempted to ditch her for Celene?

 

After all, screwing over Alistair's birthright in order to seize the throne for yourself, (no matter how justified the reasons you might have had for wanting to do so), still was kinda a tool move on the m!Cousland's part, since you went behind both Alistair (your comrade-in-arms since Ostagar) and Eamon's (your political backer) back to pull it off.

 

Of course, Hero of Ferelden or not, I can't imagine that nobility in Ferelden would leave much of them for Anora to string up afterwards...

 

Well to be honest it wasn't di*** move toward alistair as he didn't wanted to be king in fact he is glad if you won't make him one and angry if you make him king. 

 

Besides they rly shouldn't mess with the warden and just leave him alone as some would do that (well avoiding that it is rather dumb move) others wouldn't do that after all only player know what kind of character they created.

[myahele]

I think it's safe to say that once the Orlaisian civil war is over they wont be invading Ferelden for decades.

[Gervaise]

Orlais want to subsume Ferelden and then use its assets to further its expansionist aims.   Don't kid yourselves that Ferelden could ever have a lead role in relations or even be regarded as an equal partner.   I tend to look at them as Scotland and England.   James 6th of Scotland was offered English throne and the two states were united but governance came from London, not the other way round.   Then when his grandson converted to the "wrong" religion, he was ditched by the English Parliament in favour of a foreigner from Holland.     So if either Alistair or Anora were to "unite" the throne of Ferelden with that of Orlais, you can bet that the seat of power would be Val Royeaux and if their future descendants failed to play the game effectively, the nobles of Orlais would be happy enough to ditch them in favour of someone who met with their approval, whilst still claiming sovereignty over Ferelden.

 

My hope is that Ferelden will use the opportunity of the breathing space provided by the Orlesian civil war to build up their strength so they can effectively resist any attempt at invasion in the future.     As for the Qunari, their previous attempts at invasion have always been focussed far more north.   The reason for this is simple, they need to keep their supply lines open.   Even when they did occupy Kirkwall in the past, they apparently did not wish to continue south into Ferelden, possibly because there is not a great deal there worth going to war over.   Being a cold, damp, muddy country that smells of dog may actually have certain advantages.

[Mike3207]

I wonder what would happen if a m!Cousland who married Anora decided to "pull a Cailan" and attempted to ditch her for Celene?

 

After all, screwing over Alistair's birthright in order to seize the throne for yourself, (no matter how justified the reasons you might have had for wanting to do so), still was kinda a tool move on the m!Cousland's part, since you went behind both Alistair (your comrade-in-arms since Ostagar) and Eamon's (your political backer) back to pull it off.

 

Of course, Hero of Ferelden or not, I can't imagine that nobility in Ferelden would leave much of them for Anora to string up afterwards...

There is no Divine Right of Kings in Ferelden, and Alistair has no more right to the throne than anyone else.

[The Elder King]

There is no Divine Right of Kings in Ferelden, and Alistair has no more right to the throne than anyone else.

If I recall, all Fereldan kings/queens (except when occupied by Orlais) were from the Theirin bloodline up to Cailan. It's true that every Noble strong enough to gather support can be elected king, but before DAO the kings were chosen from the Theirin bloodline.
It doesn't matter much who is king or queen though, since it's unlikely an heir will be born, so Ferelden would likely fall in a civil war. My bet would be on the Couslands and Guerrins fighting over the throne.

[ReallyRue]

I don't really see this happening in the game. There's a possibility, but given that Alistair could be married to each other or a Cousland, there's a few other variables to consider. Given the option, I wouldn't want to lumber Ferelden with Orlais' problems or culture either.

[Black Jimmy]

I'd see a Ferelden-Nevarra alliance more plausible than a Ferelden-Orlais alliance.

Marry Alistair to Cassandra?

Sure she's given up all claims to titles, but then so had Alistair. And Alistair wasn't even a legal candidate having joined the Grey Wardens.

Assuming her giving up those claims was a personal choice and not something that came with being a seeker, it's still a possibility.

Of course, Nevarra have already fought for there independence from Orlais, so I can't see them giving it up to each other. But hey, drastic times and all that.

 

 

EDIT: Also, Orlais is in a mess right now. It seems to be the centre of the Mage/Templar War, the Elven Rebellion AND it's own civil war. Whats to stop Fereldan using the chaos to take a peace of the cheesy Orlesian pie? Nevarra too!

[Cobra's_back]

I'll give part of Orlais to the Elves. A part of Orlais for Ferelden. Have Alistair marry an heir to the Nevarra throne. Send Celene and Gaspard to a deserted island so they could be alone together.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Marry Alistair to Cassandra?

Sure she's given up all claims to titles, but then so had Alistair. And Alistair wasn't even a legal candidate having joined the Grey Wardens.

Assuming her giving up those claims was a personal choice and not something that came with being a seeker, it's still a possibility.

Of course, Nevarra have already fought for there independence from Orlais, so I can't see them giving it up to each other. But hey, drastic times and all that.

 

 

EDIT: Also, Orlais is in a mess right now. It seems to be the centre of the Mage/Templar War, the Elven Rebellion AND it's own civil war. Whats to stop Fereldan using the chaos to take a peace of the cheesy Orlesian pie? Nevarra too!

Or marry Anora to one of the other members of royalty in the nation. 

 

Well, Ferelden had a Blight a decade ago so they aren't in a position to do anything except restore themselves. Nevarra on the other hand...

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Marry Alistair to Cassandra?

Sure she's given up all claims to titles, but then so had Alistair. And Alistair wasn't even a legal candidate having joined the Grey Wardens.

Assuming her giving up those claims was a personal choice and not something that came with being a seeker, it's still a possibility.

Of course, Nevarra have already fought for there independence from Orlais, so I can't see them giving it up to each other. But hey, drastic times and all that.

 

 

EDIT: Also, Orlais is in a mess right now. It seems to be the centre of the Mage/Templar War, the Elven Rebellion AND it's own civil war. Whats to stop Fereldan using the chaos to take a peace of the cheesy Orlesian pie? Nevarra too!

 

The Mage-Templar war should affect Ferelden too and the Elven Rebellion was put down. Ferelden is too weak from their Blight to do anything. Plus Orlais is actually prepared for attacks from Ferelden. Gaspard remarks that the city of Jader near the Ferelden border is built to fight off invasions.

[Maria13]

Marry Alistair to Cassandra?

Sure she's given up all claims to titles, but then so had Alistair. And Alistair wasn't even a legal candidate having joined the Grey Wardens.

Assuming her giving up those claims was a personal choice and not something that came with being a seeker, it's still a possibility.

Of course, Nevarra have already fought for there independence from Orlais, so I can't see them giving it up to each other. But hey, drastic times and all that.

 

 

EDIT: Also, Orlais is in a mess right now. It seems to be the centre of the Mage/Templar War, the Elven Rebellion AND it's own civil war. Whats to stop Fereldan using the chaos to take a peace of the cheesy Orlesian pie? Nevarra too!

 

Great idea!

 

I think they would get on really well... They could discuss combat tactics in bed!

 

[Milan92]

The Masked Empire spoiler:

 

Spoiler

Unification implies that I will ever forgive them for what they did to Bann Teagan.

 

^This!

[Divine Justinia V]

The Masked Empire spoiler:

 

Spoiler

Unification implies that I will ever forgive them for what they did to Bann Teagan.

 

This and,

 

Ferelden is still pretty vulnerable with recovering from the last blight so it would make a great opportunity for Orlais to do this, depending on who the ruler is.

[Milan92]

This and,

 

Ferelden is still pretty vulnerable with recovering from the last blight so it would make a great opportunity for Orlais to do this, depending on who the ruler is.

 

Plus, Orlais is still a very hated name in Ferelden. Even if they do get a sucessful marriage between both rulers - the nobles and common folk will probably not accept it and get another civil war.