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[Gervaise]

I often wonder if Cailan marrying Celene was entirely his idea or if it was promoted by Eamon as the next stage on from ditching Anora.      Until I got the Return to Ostagar DLC I had very little sympathy for Loghain but knowing what Cailan was up to put everything into a different perspective, although I still think it would have been less wasteful of manpower and a more strategically savvy move for Loghain to have hired the crows to assassinate Cailan.   The sub-plot of the Orlesian marriage was never fleshed out as much as it could have been but there were some interesting hints about who might have been party to it.   Just before my Cousland Warden killed Arl Howe, the latter accused Bryce of being a traitor working for Orlais.   Now if I didn't know about what Cailan was up to I would have just dismissed this as deranged ravings but what I did recall was that during my Origins prologue it was mentioned that Bryce had just returned from a diplomatic visit to Orlais.   So I do wonder if this was implying that he was involved in some way, if only as a trusted messenger on behalf of Cailan, even if he didn't know precisely what was being planned.    Eamon seemed to think keeping the Callenhad bloodline on the throne was more important than the suitability of that person to rule, so if the planned union was being done with his knowledge, he either didn't care about the implications for Ferelden independence or didn't realise the risk.   Either way, I felt that I was right in ensuring that either Alistair didn't take the throne or if he did so, he was married to Anora or Warden, so their influence would be greater than that of Eamon.    Any future union could only be with Alistair and Celene as the epilogue states that Anora, unless married to the Warden, never consider anyone good enough.   Since she idolised her father's memory, she would never marry Gaspard as she would regard this as an insult to her father.   If Loghain makes the ultimate sacrifice, then he is given an honourable memorial and it states that people think he is still guarding them against Orlais, so I doubt if a political marriage would be regarded favourably by either the Landsmeet or the general population.

[myahele]

There's too much bad blood between them to unite, especially if you consider thier culture.

I truly wonder how Olais will be portrayed. As of now I dislike them and thier "game"

[Ajna]

There's too much bad blood between them to unite, especially if you consider thier culture.

I truly wonder how Olais will be portrayed. As of now I dislike them and thier "game"

Totally with you there, I'm currently reading The Masked Empire and all I keep saying to myself is "Oh ffs!" and rolling my eyes...I hate manipulative games, I hate politics, I hate politicians and as a result, I'm really starting to hate Orlais.. Not a culture I admire...

[Cobra's_back]

Totally with you there, I'm currently reading The Masked Empire and all I keep saying to myself is "Oh ffs!" and rolling my eyes...I hate manipulative games, I hate politics, I hate politicians and as a result, I'm really starting to hate Orlais.. Not a culture I admire...

 

I agree 100%. I really don't want Ferelden to unite with Orlais.

[Han Shot First]

Even ignoring the history of conflict between Orlais and Ferelden (and the grudges that go along with that history), I think a unification between Orlais and Ferelden isn't really possible in the long term. The nations are far too different. Orlais is ruled by an absolute monarchy and its nobility does not have to answer to the common folk. In contrast in Ferelden the power of the monarchy is limited by the landsmeet, with the nobility also having quite a bit of say in how the nation is run. They can also overrule the ruling monarch at the landsmeet. Those nobles in turn have to answer to the freeholders that are their power base. Ferelden isn't exactly democratic, but the function of its government is a lot closer to it than Orlais.

 

A unification between Orlais and Ferelden would either have to involve the freeholders and nobility of Ferelden losing their traditional power and influence, or the ruling monarchy and nobility in Orlais losing some of theirs. In either case there is going to be much discontent and the potential for war. I think any unification between the two nations is destined to be short-lived, and sooner or later war and rebellion would tear the two nations apart again.