There are many examples of Anders and Fenris. 
Just read the posts and will see the many Anders running about. "Oh woe is me, I hate these LI's, women get too many versus us straight men." 
Yay!! The number of Ander examples will continue on. 
EDIT: Anders whining bit, not burning building bit.
Man, if I had burned down buildings every time my parents had abused me... my entire town would be a smoldering crater.
Here's another opinion piece: Anders if filth.
I hope they retcon Anders back so I can give him a proper public execution at Skyhold
I would like to judge him for destroying the Kirkwall's chantry and kill its chief. Afterwards, the war between mages and templars is not his only fault....
I thought he was already judged by Hawke? I killed him all but once. 
And no, its not all his fault, blood mages are bringing up the problem as well.
There are actually tons of mages that would prefer peace over war.
In an effort to counter all the negativity of Anders in the last few posts I'm just going say:
Anders is a hero.
There are many examples of Anders and Fenris.
Just read the posts and will see the many Anders running about. "Oh woe is me, I hate these LI's, women get too many versus us straight men."
Yay!! The number of Ander examples will continue on.
Yeah.
And oddly enough, on the forum the whiners are ridiculed, in the game they are being gushed over and romanced.
I thought he was already judged by Hawke? I killed him all but once.
There are actually tons of mages that would prefer peace over war.
Prefer peace. You mean those who are afraid of the wrath of slavers, and just sit obediently..
There are actually tons of mages that would prefer peace over war.
Yes ! war war war! I mean..charge charge charge ! 
No, I mean there are those that wish for peace as in not having to kill each other. Hence the talks, where many of those will die. Poor people go...
BOOM!
I don't really like any character in DA 2...
except the whores of the low town. Their dedication to their job was inspirational. Come what may, they were there night after night with deep passion and respect for their profession and customers.
Just bloody brilliant.
1. You sound like Anders; The Circle isn't so bad. Even Bethany wrote home saying that if you behave its actually sort of nice; she doesn't have to run or hide anymore and she is with people like her. Only one Templar scared her.
2. Mages have been protected by the Templars as well as "imprisoned". While imprisoned, they are also given fine food, clothes, shelter, education, and protection. They live better lives than commoners, barring the occasional demonic outbreak like Ferelden.
3. Many mages are evil people. Look at Tevinter; Enough said. If you truly think that allowing mages freedom WON'T create a land where the strong rule the weak and innocents are sacrificed to entertain nobles with Blood Magic then... Look at Tevinter.
4. Wynne had a child. With a Templar. She got to see him again.
5. They are not told that their existence is a sin, and they are close to demons. Where are you even getting that?
6. The Harrowing is performed when they are more than kids. Like it or not; You HAVE to deal with demons as a mage, after training mages to defend themselves they give them a chance to truly defend against a demon in a controlled environment. Do you have a better idea? Like, just expect all mages to be strong enough to resist a demon? That could never go wrong, I'm sure... I'm 17 myself, when I get behind a car I know I am a danger to others and need to control myself otherwise the car loses control and people die. Same thing for mages.
7. Not true... Just like how Anders loves to say "You can't blame one mages actions on all of us!" the same goes for that Ser Alrik dude. He died. And Meredith and the Divine thought he was insane too.
8. They are allowed outside. Anders ruined it for everyone by trying to escape. Finn didn't like going outside anyways. There is a courtyard even in the Gallows where mages can walk around. By comparison, most schools only allow kids 1 hour a day outside anyways. IRL prisoners get more time.
9. The mages quarters have more privacy. Keep in mind, people weren't so squeamish about nudity in medieval times. People bathed together in bath houses since ancient times. The Templars likely live in the same condition. Big deal.
10. Punished for not resisting temptation: Yes, absolutely. Emile was a loser; that's what he didn't do the thing other mages did. Alchohol isn't banned I don't think, since its fermented most people drank wine so they never got sick from diseases in water.
11. Yeah, so? Run away like Anders' and you'll be caught and punished. Behave like Wynne and other mages and you'll be granted tons of extra rights. Wynne traveled the world basically, she asked to leave and the Knight Commander ssaid "Sure."
12. Anders is a liar then; the Ferelden circle was extremely lax. So lax, that the mages rebelled anyways and killed everyone. Whiny emos like Anders might find it difficult, but everyone else doesn't. Or a tleast they didn't until people like Anders force the Templars to become stricter.
As for Ander's sob story, listen to Wynnes; She found it to be a home. She knew she would love it, even if the new place scared her at first. The Templars weren't kind, but they weren't cruel to her. She knew her place and rose to greatness and made the world a better place. Anders whined and kicked and screamed and made the world 100x worse by his actions.
Respect for mages was improving slowly over time. The Divine herself wanted to help them... She was in the process of making a speech trying to aid them when a Blood Mage made an attempt on her life. Thanks to Anders, people hate mages more than ever. Either they'll win the war and create Tevinter 2.0, or they'll lose and it'll be worse than before.
Also, don't forget that Anders turned a spirit into a demon. He isn't a good guy. He can murder an innocent he is so blind.
The Circle in Kirkwall was the worst place to be for a mage, with aggressive Templars and a very thin veil. Fereden's Circle may be lax in comparison, but that doesn't there were some problems.
I love how Iane's posts are dripping with insults despite them saying they want to convince other people that Anders was right.
Like the people who disagree with them are less intelligent or mature than them because they don't agree with their point of view.
All these people excusing what Anders did has made me go from "I feel bad for the guy and let him live in most DAII playthroughs unless I am going for specific achievements" to "I hope he shows up in Inquisition so I can draw and quarter him"
I am happy to count myself among the ones who knows Who is Anders and what a truely inspiring character he is (l).
All of us know who Anders is, we just don't agree with the bolded part
Argh,,,,this shouldnt be the topic for this..but oh well...
1. You sound like Anders; The Circle isn't so bad. Even Bethany wrote home saying that if you behave its actually sort of nice; she doesn't have to run or hide anymore and she is with people like her. Only one Templar scared her.
And you sound like a Templar . Bethany never wanted Magic that is where the difference lie . Bethany wanted a normal life , to be normal and not be a burden on anyone due to her magic . Anders , wanted to be free and still be a mage . It is kinda hypocrite to use Bethany (dont use my sister you!) as an exemple since she is different . One could say : Why can't she teach anyway since she has no desire of using her power ? Thats where the issue reside . The fear the templar/chantry have make one like bethany have no life . Cose she is busy Hiding for something she didn't ask for or want to . It doesn't compare at all..
2. Mages have been protected by the Templars as well as "imprisoned". While imprisoned, they are also given fine food, clothes, shelter, education, and protection. They live better lives than commoners, barring the occasional demonic outbreak like Ferelden.
They may live better life , but they can't go anywhere , have childrens of their owns , see their family or even have relationship . So wait , if I have to choose between all the 'good' you are providing versus my free will ? Hum..I take free will . Thanx . (And plz don't make the trade off as something awesome cose it isn't . Peoples been fighting for their free will for eons , and no amount of goods , food , items , and nothing can make up for losing one free will) .
3. Many mages are evil people. Look at Tevinter; Enough said. If you truly think that allowing mages freedom WON'T create a land where the strong rule the weak and innocents are sacrificed to entertain nobles with Blood Magic then... Look at Tevinter.
Many humans in Thedas are evil . We should just lock everyone up , since when an innocent die...what matter is that an innocent die right ? Or do you measure the worth of an innocent dying ? Aka: Oh innocent dying by hand of a mage is more important then an innocent dying by the hand of a Pirate ?
The Tevinter is a poor exemple . You cannot Judge and condamn new generations of mages because of some evil-doer of the past . That reek fears ! Even if the Tevinter still exist...you still can't . It is not right and not fair . And those who are afraid..shouldn't be in a position of giving order and deciding who should be Judged safe or dangerous .
4. Wynne had a child. With a Templar. She got to see him again.
After he was a grown Adult...yeah right .
7. Not true... Just like how Anders loves to say "You can't blame one mages actions on all of us!" the same goes for that Ser Alrik dude. He died. And Meredith and the Divine thought he was insane too.
Actually you can . Why ? Because the Mage arent the one doing the oppressing . Meredith did some execution of mage in the circle of her own......
And even if they though he was insane , they didnt investigate him. They just turned his idea of a Tranquil solution down . He still was doing horrible things and none bothered to keep an eye on him or see if he would pursue the matter illegaly on his own . They failed their oaths . They shouldnt be in charge or condamn others .
8. They are allowed outside. Anders ruined it for everyone by trying to escape. Finn didn't like going outside anyways. There is a courtyard even in the Gallows where mages can walk around. By comparison, most schools only allow kids 1 hour a day outside anyways. IRL prisoners get more time.
They are allowed outside . In comparison with the 2 exemple you gave : 1)Kid at the end of the day go home to his family . 2)The Prison is for peoples who commited a crime so they are in prison for a reason . 3) Mage don't go home at the end of the day, and commited no crime to be locked up .
Again..free will taken away....on reason cose of..and cose of....
6. The Harrowing is performed when they are more than kids. Like it or not; You HAVE to deal with demons as a mage, after training mages to defend themselves they give them a chance to truly defend against a demon in a controlled environment. Do you have a better idea? Like, just expect all mages to be strong enough to resist a demon? That could never go wrong, I'm sure... I'm 17 myself, when I get behind a car I know I am a danger to others and need to control myself otherwise the car loses control and people die. Same thing for mages.
Uldrine was a mage who did his Harrowing and passed with success , then he stayed in the circle . Didn't stop his magic go wonker when he tried to stage a coup against the templar and he turned into a Pride demon . Therefor that tell me , the whole Harrowing is a joke and doesn't work . So all those mages who 'failed' their harrowing...what that make them ? innocent? hum..no.....cose they are evil right ?
10. Punished for not resisting temptation: Yes, absolutely. Emile was a loser; that's what he didn't do the thing other mages did. Alchohol isn't banned I don't think, since its fermented most people drank wine so they never got sick from diseases in water.
Right.....so why shouldn't that apply to the Templar ? since they can fall to lyrium addiction as well ? Being a zealot is an addiction as well you know that right ? therefor...anyone who preach and preach the maker name is an addict and should be punished . Many things in the world of Thedas can become a tentation and an addiction . Should we start killing peoples or lock them up because of that as well ?
11. Yeah, so? Run away like Anders' and you'll be caught and punished. Behave like Wynne and other mages and you'll be granted tons of extra rights. Wynne traveled the world basically, she asked to leave and the Knight Commander ssaid "Sure."
Sorry , I never abide by that . Peoples are born FREE . And no amount of abomination gonna change my mind about the treatement or this 'circle perfect solution' they are offering .
12. Anders is a liar then; the Ferelden circle was extremely lax. So lax, that the mages rebelled anyways and killed everyone. Whiny emos like Anders might find it difficult, but everyone else doesn't. Or a tleast they didn't until people like Anders force the Templars to become stricter.
Well thats what you get for putting peoples in a cage..and expect them to behave . Serve the Templar right 
Some peoples accept their fates and rise in watever they are given . It doesn't make the whole circle run by templar any perfect . It just mean one person succeeded in this setting . Many do not want it , many will not succeed , and many are killed in the harrowing cose some idiot templar said so .
Ah the Tevinter again...man.....that scare you that much huh ? And of course , you can't think of better then either be imprisoned or be a tevinter ?
I don't know about you ! but when I played my mage in DAO . And I had to ask for a Boon , I sure like hell didn't Ask King Alistair : let me start my Tevinter Empire !! I asked for the circle to have the freedom to be run by mages without chantry and Templar interference . And they said NO . So yeah , controle freak !! If the mages were sooo respected..they would be running the circle themself with rules (maybe less restrictions) and give them the trust they have been trying to earn . But we know that the chantry and Mage are hypocrite . The whole 'behave like Wynn and you may get a cookie' . It is bullshit !! and you know it . The mage dont want respect , they want to be FREE . the first enchanter want to run the damn circle with their own peoples without zealot or pending 'im gonna kill ya cose maker said so' over their heads .
Even this you cant conceive.....so , if the Mages ever turn to Tevinter . Remember this: The Chantry and zealot templar pushed them to be one , not cose they wanted to be .
One Anders who is blind...VS a whole Organisation of Templars who are blind . Take your pick !
In an effort to counter all the negativity of Anders in the last few posts I'm just going say:
Anders is a hero.
lolnope.
Yep, Mages cant have family or see their families. Which a lot wanted to do, some became demon possessed just in order to see loved ones. Stupid idea to keep them from seen family, unless family don't want to see them, they should be allowed to visit each other, they couldn't within the circle.
Yep, Mages cant have family or see their families. Which a lot wanted to do, some became demon possessed just in order to see loved ones. Stupid idea to keep them from seen family, unless family don't want to see them, they should be allowed to visit each other, they couldn't within the circle.
That would one of things I would change in a reformed Circle
Yep, Mages cant have family or see their families. Which a lot wanted to do, some became demon possessed just in order to see loved ones. Stupid idea to keep them from seen family, unless family don't want to see them, they should be allowed to visit each other, they couldn't within the circle.
What about Bethany though? Leandra visited her weekly.
I never have Bethany in a circle, so I guess I not seen that, albeit, nobles probably do have access then? That is one, but more seem to want to see family, which might be the commoners that get rejected. Maybe has to do something with Hawke him/herself too? They do refer that they are taken from families and don't see them again in most cases while a few do, letters seem to come in from families as well.
It isn't good enough just one or two, or just letters. They need other changes in the circle.
Leandra visited her . Not the other way around , add to that...she may have visited her because of their noble status and how much Hawk meddled in Kirkwall affair (you know those hundred sidequest we did) . And also maybe cose the Amell are knowns.....
But you take a setting for a mage from a poor farmer family with no standing in society...no wealth...no big heroic brother/sister . And tell me if the mother would want to see her daughter/son she'll get the right to ?
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