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[Nightwriter]

Yeah no. Reading Lockett's crimes once was quite enough, thank you.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

And if Elrond had pushed Isildur off the ledge in Mount Doom (movie), the entire second war would have been prevented.

 

Had the Valar not fallen for Melkor's nature when they knew otherwise, the entire series would never have happened.

[von uber]

And if Elrond had pushed Isildur off the ledge in Mount Doom (movie), the entire second war would have been prevented.

And if the Tolkien estate had been smarter, they could have prevented the movies from being made

[KaiserShep]

With no Daleks, there'd be no Time War. With no Time War, there'd be no Tenth Doctor to go to Pete's Universe to stop the Cybermen. There'd be no Tenth Doctor to start Torchwood, thus making the Battle of Canary Wharf an impossible event. 
 
To be frank, I do disagree with the Doctor on that.

This is an unknown. Take the reapers. If Shepard could go back in time and wipe out the intelligence before it creates the reapers, will the galaxy be better or worse off? We can assume a basic chain of events, but we have no way of anticipating all of the little or even other big things that could happen as a result. What if Shepard does this, and humanity ceases to exist because some other race that would have been harvested terraforms earth and claims it? Would that be a victory for Shepard?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

And if the Tolkien estate had been smarter, they could have prevented the movies from being made

 

The movies weren't a bad adaptation. Understandably abridged, but that's not a terrible thing.

 

No Prince Imrahil of Dol Amroth, among other things.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

This is an unknown. Take the reapers. If Shepard could go back in time and wipe out the intelligence before it creates the reapers, will the galaxy be better or worse off? We can assume a basic chain of events, but we have no way of anticipating all of the little or even other big things that could happen as a result. What if Shepard does this, and humanity ceases to exist because some other race that would have been harvested terraforms earth and claims it? Would that be a victory for Shepard?

 

Technically, there'd be no victory as there never was a conflict in the first place. It'd be an impossible action, since it never happened.

[DeinonSlayer]

The movies weren't a bad adaptation. Understandably abridged, but that's not a terrible thing.

No Prince Imrahil of Dol Amroth, among other things.

I'm partial to the HISHE version of "Desolation of Smaug."

[von uber]

The movies weren't a bad adaptation. Understandably abridged, but that's not a terrible thing.

No Prince Imrahil of Dol Amroth, among other things.

I found them a massive disappointment.

[KaiserShep]

Technically, there'd be no victory as there never was a conflict in the first place. It'd be an impossible action, since it never happened.

Point is, what would this be to Shepard? Assuming that his memory of the events are intact, the reaper war being an impossibility is irrelevant. He's still the last of his kind, no matter how he attempts to rationalize what he's done.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Point is, what would this be to Shepard? Assuming that his memory of the events are intact, the reaper war being an impossibility is irrelevant. He's still the last of his kind, no matter how he attempts to rationalize what he's done.

 

How would he still be alive if he altered history to prevent the Leviathans (and thus, billions of years down the line humanity) from forming? How would he be anything more than an incalculably small smidge in the quantum foam?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

I'm partial to the HISHE version of "Desolation of Smaug."

CinemaSins does it better. And honest trailers.

 

Just like Game of Thrones, as interpreted by Bad Lip Reading. 

 

Or Twilight. It'd be the greatest film ever made.

[Nightwriter]

 

2) Morbid curiosity as to how Bioware is going to dig their way out of this mess with MENext.

 

Oh yes definitely this, this as well.

[KaiserShep]

How would he still be alive if he altered history to prevent the Leviathans (and thus, billions of years down the line humanity) from forming? How would he be anything more than an incalculably small smidge in the quantum foam?

How and why doesn't matter. He could blink out of existence, or become a walking paradox. In the position of the latter, how would you consider this? Heck what if you return to the present to a dead galaxy for reasons unknown?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

How and why doesn't matter. He could blink out of existence, or become a walking paradox. In the position of the latter, how would you consider this? Heck what if you return to the present to a dead galaxy for reasons unknown?

 

Then I'll know that I did everything I could to stop a menace threatening me, everything I care about, and the entire galaxy, making the best decision I could've made with the information and capability I had at the time. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

What more could anyone ask for. Seems reasonable enough.
 

But how far would you go to keep that promise? How mamy innocent souls would you scarifice?

 

...and in an entertainment - would you accept being told that YOU had to sacrifice millions of innocents?

 

I'd go as far as I needed to go to achieve my goal. 

 

Absolutely. I'd do whatever I had to do. I'd walk away completely unchanged and unfazed. If that's what my goal requires, then that's what will be done. No guilt, no remorse. What's the point? If I HAD to do it, then there's no reason to be upset. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

I've heard this before - I'm sure.

 

i HAD to do it.

 

Organics and synthetics can't coexist - so i need to cull them.

 

Er..   cobblers.

 

(without involving Nuremberg).

 

That's a strawman argument. Your point is invalid.

[Zjarcal]

Two year old game, four year old game, six and a half year old game... yeah, neither of those are exactly the kind of thing you'd be all super interested about unless you had never played them before.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

When you accept one of it's options you agree with it's logic. That is terrifying.

 

No you don't. And even if you agree with it's logic, it's not terrifying. It's logic, based on what it has, is correct. It's the premise of it's programming and function that is flawed. 

 

Ieldra picks synthesis not because he agrees with the Catalyst, but because he views the consequences from synthesis as desirable (and I think most people here do; I do, I just think the Catalysts method to reaching it is insanity and bad writing, and I find it narratively and thematically repugnant; also bad writing.)

 

Some people choose Control. I personally see Renegade Control as rather appealing, though again, I like the idea but not the actual execution to achieve it.

 

I choose Destroy because I find it to be the most logical choice I have to achieving my own long-term goal. It's basically destroying the Reapers, to enact a society of subtle control through the domination of their technology and backroom 'guiding' of humanity and the galaxy with my neo-Cerberus group to keep humanity at an advantage while working to achieve the singularity akin to synthesis, though not for the same reasons as the Catalyst.

[KaiserShep]

When you accept one of it's options you agree with it's logic. That is terrifying.

Not really. Unless you really believe that refusing will actually turn out well, you have no choice. When I pick destroy, I see it as rejecting the idea that this "problem" needs solving and leave the galaxy to figure things out on its own.

[KaiserShep]

Eh, the worst of them were beaten, and they can be beaten again.

[ShadowLordXII]

Yeah, BW clearly didn't care so why should I?