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[Isabelle]

I love the design of armors and equipment in DA2, do not want to devalue or change the work of the creative team(c'mon, they are very good)   but ... the developers looking more for the feminine side of equipments in Dragon Age Inquisition, when I say ''more feminine'' are small changes to give a less visual "Transformers" of the characters.

Small elements can give beauty and elegance even for a Goblin,  Please I do not talking of bikinis or those kinds of things, if you thought about it then it is a bad person and will not make your Christmas gift. 

 

Boots, Greaves and Shoes:

-Small size (not like the feet of Mega Man) 

-A small heel (as those riding boots or pirate, and not a high heel party)

 

Small Shoulders:

-Because sometimes I think my character looks like the Hulk 

 

Small Hands:

-Because sometimes I think my character looks like the HellBoy 

 

Belts and Middle Armors:

-Tabards (Because they move with the wind, and have cool logo)

-Short Skirts and Short Chainmail Skirts (to a belt so big ? I'm not a power ranger)

 

New Head Gear Equipments:

-Helmets with a Smaller Size

-Circlets (Less Protection than a helmet ... but my hair move with the wind)

-Masks (Flemeth have, so I also want too) 

-Headbands, hats, hooded (As gypsies and nomadic travelers)  

 

And .... nothing ... Because the game seems to be pretty beautifull 

 

Thanks for the suggestions and directions.

 

 

 

 

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EDIT: I removed the pictures because people misunderstand, I apologize because I got random illustrations in a hour of a break in my work, Now the topic is reviewed and tidy with quieter, 

[Mes]

I'm a little confused - are you saying you'd like women's armor to look more feminine?

 

Personally I'd like men and women's armor to be pretty identical in Inquisition. Though I would never be opposed to having the option to look more feminine for anyone who wanted to.

[Andraste_Reborn]

 

• More heels on the shoes, boots, greaves

• Small shoulders, and small hands

• Skirts, chainmail skirts or tabards for the middle armors

• Circlets, tiaras for long hairs

 

 

 

Where's a picture of a Qunari saying 'no' when you need one?

 

There's no reason armour designed to protect you on the battlefield should have high heels or involve skirts.

[Al Foley]

As long as it is not as 'feminine' as the Dalish starting armor in Dragon Age Origins.  I still get nightmares over that *wince*.   

 

But, seriously.  'Feminine' is fine as long as it does not sacrifice itself in the name of being overly sexualized.  I think the N7 armor in ME 2/ 3 is a good example.  I also really like Cassandra's armor we have seen in the trailers.  It still looks good yet looks sturdy and like it can take a few hits rather then leaving her all bare and exposed for the smallest of butter knives. 

[Abraham_uk]

I am not a fan of "feminised" armours.

 

Eech.

 

 

 

I've played a game where the "ONLY" available armours for female characters are chainmail bikinis.

However for men. Yes they do have the skimpy armours too. However they can wear proper armour that protects the upper body. Women don't have this kind of protective armour.

 

So yes that is an issue.

 

 

That said, what the opening poster is suggesting isn't quite that extreme.

 

• More heels on the shoes, boots, greaves
• Small shoulders, and small hands
• Skirts, chainmail skirts or tabards for the middle armors
• Circlets, tiaras for long hairs

 

 

Trouble is that the heels are not very practical.

Not all women have small shoulders and small hands.

Skirts are fine as long as they are optional.

Circlets, tiaras are fine as accessories as long as they are optional. Proper combat headgear should also be available.

 

 

So my issue is with the top two suggestions.

[Spirit Keeper]

(/\ - Best video ever!) I think SWTOR is a great example of armour. It doesn't change design based on gender, as in the armour doesn't suddenly develop massive chest melons.

[Abraham_uk]

Where's a picture of a Qunari saying 'no' when you need one?

 

 

You want "a Qunari" saying no?

How about two?

 

 

[JCFR]

I love the design of armors and equipment in DA2, but ... the developers looking for more feminine side of equipments in Dragon Age Inquisition.

 

 

http://forum.bioware...eator-wishlist/

In this topic the players give good suggestions about character creation, one of then is about a body slider, when you personalize your character using body slider the visual on your char changes too much using a armor.

 

 

  

 

The armor and clothes design in DA2 are awesome, I showed points on this image if bit changed for more feminized, when then a ideia for the Dragon Age Inquisition.

 

• More heels on the shoes, boots, greaves

• Small shoulders, and small hands

• Skirts, chainmail skirts or tabards for the middle armors

• Circlets, tiaras for long hairs

 

 

Give your opinions, and more suggestions, and please developers look more on these suggestions

 

Thanks!

And here i thought only guys go for these chainmail-bikini kind of armors.

 

Well in general it's an old question. Do armors in a fantasy-RPg have to be realistic or not? And do female chars have to be treated like some pinup-models?

I, for my part, am somewhere in the middle. I can understand the wish for armors  which flatter the female body and don't just look clunky and bulky  on them... but there are quite a number of RPGs out there, which go way over the top (especial asia-MMOs like TERA).

 

In the end, it's a matter of taste.  I would welcome if the armors would fit a bit thighter to the torso and point out the waist for example, but not these belly-top leather-armors from origins. 

[Abraham_uk]

Okay I am going to go into more detail for one of the 4 suggestions.

Heck I could do a thread on each of them.

 

"Small shoulders, and small hands"

 

I would like this, but not as a "gender" signifier but rather reflective of body type diversity.

 

What I mean by this is that have various different armours for the different body types.

It seems a bit odd that anyone can pick up any armour and it will magically fit.

 

I would love it if a big armour didn't fit a small person. The smaller person would need to find armour that fits them. Even then it might be tight in some places and wide in others.

 

 

Then we can bring a smithing skill, where you can alter armours you find to make them fit the body type of your characters.

Or you can craft armours from scratch so that they fit nicely.

[Abraham_uk]

And here i thought only guys go for these chainmail-bikini kind of armors.

 

Well in general it's an old question. Do armors in a fantasy-RPg have to be realistic or not? And do female chars have to be treated like some pinup-models?

I, for my part, am somewhere in the middle. I can understand the wish for armors  which flatter the female body and don't just look clunky and bulky  on them... but there are quite a number of RPGs out there, which go way over the top (especial asia-MMOs like TERA).

 

In the end, it's a matter of taste.  I would welcome if the armors would fit a bit thighter to the torso and point out the waist for example, but not these belly-top leather-armors from origins. 

 

 

I was joking about the "Chainmail bikini" type armours.

Just like Marie Antoinette never said "let them eat cake".

The opening post wasn't suggesting this. I was merely satirising his suggestions.

 

 

 

 

Opening Poster is asking for more feminine looking armour as opposed to the no armour extremes of TERA.

 

 

 

My biggest issue is with the heels. Heels in battle is a daft idea.

 

 

Battle skirts are fine. They improve mobility whilst providing minimal protection. Legs are less likely to be hit.

Circlets are fine.

The armour being tailored to the typically smaller body proportions of women (this is a huge generalisation as not all women are "petite"), is fine.

[Abraham_uk]

Just to clear something up.

 

Feminine armour and sexualised feminine outfits are not the same.

 

 

Feminine armour is combat gear with feminine features. They can be "sexy" and are often not very practical.

 

 

Sexualised Feminine Outfits are not armour. They may have an armour rating, but they are not armour.

 

[Isabelle]

No no no no ... you got it all wrong!

I also hate those mmorgps like TERA, Scarlet Blade and etc. ... 

when I say ''more feminine'' are small .... small changes to give a less masculine look of the characters understand ?

 

When I say ''feminine'' would look something like these illustrations:

 

  

 

 

   

 

 

When I mean to be more "feminine" not be vulgar, I hate games with sexualism, I think a lack of respect how women are treated in asians games or MMORPG's, I'm going to repeat again, I like pretty much the design of equipments and characters in Dragon Age, the creativity of developers is amazing, only a few elements to differentiate females figures to male figures.

 

NOT BIKINIS, NOT OPEN REVEAL ARMOR, NOT PIN UPS !!! CAPISCE ?

[Vapaa]

Heels are a NO-NO

As are idiotic boobplates

StenArishockNOchorus.jpg

[smoke and mirrors]

 

No no no no ... you got it all wrong!

I also hate those mmorgps like TERA, Scarlet Blade and etc. ... 

when I say ''more feminine'' are small .... small changes to give a less masculine look of the characters understand ?

 

When I say ''feminine'' would look something like these illustrations:

 

  

 

 

   

 

 

When I mean to be more "feminine" not be vulgar, I hate games with sexualism.

 

 

I see what your saying in these pic`s and i have no problem with the armors you have shown .

[Isabelle]

Yes, smoke and mirrors, you understand   these are only images that randomly picked on the google.

[Isabelle]

Heels are a NO-NO

As are idiotic boobplates

StenArishockNOchorus.jpg

 

Not HIGH heels of course, also not those giant ugly boots ...  

[Vapaa]

Not HIGH heels of course, also not those giant ugly boots ...  

 

NO HEELS AT ALL

 

Why would you even want to upset your balance in battle ? Bad enough that Vivienne has heels...well you can make a point that mages can get a pass...but for warriors and rogues, NO.

[Isabelle]

NO HEELS AT ALL

 

Why would you even want to upset your balance in battle ? Bad enough that Vivienne has heels...well you can make a point that mages can get a pass...but for warriors and rogues, NO.

 

And why not for rogues and warriors ? 

[s17tabris]

If it's just a slider, I wouldn't really mind.  Allow players to make their characters as silly looking as they want, as long as both the male and female versions look equally silly or equally practical-looking.

[Uirebhiril]

This topic makes me a bit nervous, because for so long I have had to endure my characters running around in skimpy leathers or boob-molded plate armor. It actually thrilled me to see my Hawke or Shepard wearing gear that did not feel it necessary to point out that they are a girl, since you could easily tell that by their voice or face. I hope developers do not take this as "proof" that eye candy sexualized clothing is expected and perfectly fine for the breast-wielders.

 

I know that is not what you meant, and the option for some frilly things is fine... just please nothing ridiculous like the days of old. Chainmail makes terrible bikinis.

[Vapaa]

And why not for rogues and warriors ? 

 

Because warriors are always in close combat were a solid balance is vital, same for dagger rogues...and bow rogues need a good balances to fire arrows.

[Isabelle]

This topic makes me a bit nervous, because for so long I have had to endure my characters running around in skimpy leathers or boob-molded plate armor. It actually thrilled me to see my Hawke or Shepard wearing gear that did not feel it necessary to point out that they are a girl, since you could easily tell that by their voice or face. I hope developers do not take this as "proof" that eye candy sexualized clothing is expected and perfectly fine for the breast-wielders.

 

I know that is not what you meant, and the option for some frilly things is fine... just please nothing ridiculous like the days of old. Chainmail makes terrible bikinis.

 

I hate chainmail bikinis and reveal armor too, that's not what I want for my characters and the community too, only a bit more beautiful style for the female characters it seems that every game the male characters are more valued 

[s17tabris]

I hate chainmail bikinis and reveal armor too, that's not what I want for my characters and the community too, only a bit more beautiful style for the female characters it seems that every game the male characters are more valued 

If the male version of the armor looks decent and the female version looks sexed up, in that sense, I agree that male characters are being "more valued".  However, if the male and female versions look almost identical, except for the proportions to fit the smaller frame of the female model, I don't see how male characters are being "more valued".

[naddaya]

Not my thing, but it's a reasonable request. If Vivienne can wear her weird orlesian outfits in battle, I don't see why OP shouldn't be fabulous too 

I just hope they'll include no-frills armor and buffer body types as well. The female qunari warrior I have in mind as my first Inquisitor would be a sad panda otherwise.

[Stormy]

While I don't mind most things and if one looks back at actual, and fantastic, bits of history it was only noble men who actually wore heels.  On the battlefield, though, not at all.  Heels are pretty much spikes on the back of your foot that would dig in to soft ground or slide off of stones beneath one's feet... like having an armored foot wasn't bad enough.  It makes no logical sense but for aesthetics.

 

I've always found, though, that DA graphics do absolutely need for women's hands in armor or gloves to actually be women's hands.  Women don't need to be delicate because not all women have "delicate" hands; and not all male's hands are beefy.   They aught, though, to have hands that aren't as broad as broad as a male's hand on a human female.

 

Otherwise... bikini-aura armor, I can do without. Skirts get caught in stuff and give the infantry/melee opponent something to hold on to and kill you and circlets are good for pre and post combat unless one is going for pure aesthetics.  I, personally, use the hide helmet option because I like looking at the pretties. LOL  If one thinks about it, Joan d'Arc wore a slender but barrel chested armor (no boobs) if half of the paintings can be believed as accurate.  Not a thing wrong with it.