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[Iakus]

The bolded.

 

You're not telling a story, BioWare is.

 

I'm glad we can finally wrap up this discussion.

 

Then Bioware lied.

[Hadeedak]

As noted, I like ME2 and ME1, but if there's one way they both murder me, it's finding a justification to do those side missions.

 

"We're in a desperate race against time with Saren!" "Better deal with Helena Blake's thug friends first." "They're taking our people!" "Well, I am worried about that, but first we should go to this unexplored planet to see if we can find Jacob's slacker space dad because otherwise he will die."

 

I have an easier time in ME3 because "every bit counts" and "we only get one shot at this."

 

When I called ME2 disjointed, I meant that the narrative is very episodic and bouncy. Personally, I think both sequels maintain the 'spirit of the first game'.

 

And as for mood whiplash, I mean between the games. ME2 (to me) has a different feel from ME1, which has a different feel from ME3. Luckily, I enjoy all of them and can roll with the flaws. I even still have fun! ...Though I do chuckle when Liara's like "Oh, we need to hurry!" and I'm like "NOPE. LET'S GO SEARCH PYJAKS UNTIL WE FIND THE CODES."

 

(As a sidenote -- implying everything I say isn't a sidenote -- yes, my dogs are adorable. And a bit confounding. X3)

[RZIBARA]

Then Bioware lied.

 

[Staff Cdr Alenko]

As noted, I like ME2 and ME1, but if there's one way they both murder me, it's finding a justification to do those side missions.

 

"We're in a desperate race against time with Saren!" "Better deal with Helena Blake's thug friends first." "They're taking our people!" "Well, I am worried about that, but first we should go to this unexplored planet to see if we can find Jacob's slacker space dad because otherwise he will die."

 

I have an easier time in ME3 because "every bit counts" and "we only get one shot at this."

 

When I called ME2 disjointed, I meant that the narrative is very episodic and bouncy. Personally, I think both sequels maintain the 'spirit of the first game'.

 

And as for mood whiplash, I mean between the games. ME2 (to me) has a different feel from ME1, which has a different feel from ME3. Luckily, I enjoy all of them and can roll with the flaws. I even still have fun! ...Though I do chuckle when Liara's like "Oh, we need to hurry!" and I'm like "NOPE. LET'S GO SEARCH PYJAKS UNTIL WE FIND THE CODES."

 

(...)

 

I see what you mean about side missions, but it never bothered me, really.

 

As for the dissonance between ME1&2 and ME3, there is even a song about that. It's called Wish You Were Here. Seriously, it was written in a moment of clairvoyance with that specifically in mind:

 

"So, so you think you can tell

Heaven from hell

Blue skies from pain

Can you tell a green field

From a cold steel rail

 

Did they get you to trade

Your heroes for ghosts

Hot ashes for trees

Hot air for a cool breeze

Cold comfort for change

And did you exchange

A walk-on part in a war

For a lead role in a cage"

 

 

 

Then Bioware lied.

 

One of the many lies they told about Mass Effect 3. Remember though, "ME3" in itself is a lie

[Hadeedak]

The grass was greener
The light was brighter
With friends surrounded
The nights of wonder

Looking beyond the embers of bridges glowing behind us
To a glimpse of how green it was on the other side
Steps taken forwards but sleepwalking back again
Dragged by the force of some inner tide

At a higher altitude with flag unfurled
We reached the dizzy heights of that dreamed of world

Encumbered forever by desire and ambition
There's a hunger still unsatisfied
Our weary eyes still stray to the horizon
Though down this road we've been so many times

[Hadeedak]

<< High Hopes from Division Bell, if anyone missed that.

[Han Shot First]

An hour long?!

 

By Andraste's cvnt that's a long video! Wait, wrong game seriies.

 

*Ahem*

 

So can anyone who actually sat through all of it summarize it for us lazy folk? 

[von uber]

Funnily enough, first time through (although being a tad confused) I was moderately happy with the (EC) ending.. until the breath scene.
That just made me do a complete "Wait, what? She's alive? How.. why.. what... ?!!".

[AlanC9]

As noted, I like ME2 and ME1, but if there's one way they both murder me, it's finding a justification to do those side missions.
 
"We're in a desperate race against time with Saren!" "Better deal with Helena Blake's thug friends first." "They're taking our people!" "Well, I am worried about that, but first we should go to this unexplored planet to see if we can find Jacob's slacker space dad because otherwise he will die."

I find that ME2 works fine as long as you do Reaper IFF the moment it's available.

[ImaginaryMatter]

I actually like the concept of fighting the proto-reaper, but making it look like a human skeleton was a huge design error, I felt. It should simply have looked like the other Sovereign-class reapers, just incomplete.

 

Ya. I think they made the notion that it was a human Reaper a little too heavy handed (as it literally had hands).

 

I also liked the original fight design where you had to use missile platforms to shoot down the Reaper.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Both ME1 and 2 can be blamed for this setup, actually. Sovereign was only defeated because it apparently felt desperate enough to pull the strings on Saren's augmented corpse. Had it not done that, it would probably have completed its hijacking of the Citadel relay and let all its buddies through, and everyone would be dead. Sovereign was overpowered, and victory came through pure luck. And then we have ME2, showing us the reapers approaching the galaxy in ridiculous numbers, promising to be just as powerful as Sovereign was.

 

I think the feedback was only confirmed in ME3, before then they simply happened near each other, which makes sense if Saren was growing desperate. Even then I don't think it makes Sovereign completely dumb. It's original plan was to have the Citadel Wards shield it from fire because despite how powerful it's shields were, they weren't enough to sustain against an entire fleet. Assuming it knew about the feedback thing it was probably stuck between the option of not assuming control but having it's shields deplete anyway as it wouldn't be able to open the Relay in the limited time frame it had, or it had the chance to unto whatever Prothean program from the terminal by having Saren hopper do it which would allow Sovereign to open the Relays before it's shields run out completely.

 

If it could have sustained the entire fleet's barrage it probably would have strolled up to the Citadel much earlier, but as Vigil said, it did fear the collective efforts of the Council's ships.

[CronoDragoon]

Then Bioware lied.

 

It's one of those lies parents tells their kids, like "work hard and you'll get a great job" or "love conquers all!" or "college is for getting a good education"

[Beregar]

I'm not sure this is the ending I wanted either. Not completely. I wanted the whole game to be about ending so to say. I sort of wanted the Sovereign fight repeat for different worlds where we would purge reaper influence world by world on our way to earth while gathering allies and ships until it culminates to earth battle. Actual battle where all races contributed for the success.

 

There would have been so many ways to bring out the racial strengths together. Even to show organics and synthetics can cooperate.

• We had the Geth to disturb reaper communications in the virtual/concept space (virtual war so to say)
• We had the Leviathans with power to disable reapers in battle (granted this is expansion material)
• We had allied teams reserve engineering and putting together ancient and reaper tech (i.e. Thanix cannons)
• We could have had missions to free reapers from indoctrination to have actual reaper allies!
• We could have had allied marines fighting on the reapers themselves and blowing them up from inside
• Crucible could have been actual weapon for disabling reapers in a localized area (not space magic)
• We had a huge fleet of *allied* forces

We went through the effort to secure alliances, to gather forces and to gather resources but in the end they did not win the fight. It should have been an alliance of races that won the fight. Lore pretty heavily implies previous cycles failed because they could not come together and did not have advanced warning. We did have both of those. Even more we had access to reverse engineered tech, ancient allies, and time to set it all up.

 

What troubles me most in the endings that in the end it was not unified effort. It was Shepard who won through space magic in all instances. I'm all for him sacrificing his life but I would rather have had him sacrifice it by blowing up the Harbringer or by disabling some citadel generated shield so allied fleets could jump in.

 

The endings were not horrible but they remind me of regular Hollywood movie endings. Not bad. Not good. Just go with the flow and explosions and don't think about it too much.

[Iakus]

It's one of those lies parents tells their kids, like "work hard and you'll get a great job" or "love conquers all!" or "college is for getting a good education"

Sadly, this wan't that innocent.  More the tale that ends with "just enter your credit card number"

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 So I just skipped around through the epilogue. Not the ending I wanted -- too cheesy for my tastes -- but I'll admit I did enjoy watching this.

 

 

"Rob Iwae" just became a meme in my head, though.

[themikefest]

It would've interesting had Harbinger assumed direct control over the proto-reaper.

[KaiserShep]

It would've interesting had Harbinger assumed direct control over the proto-reaper.

Like Harbinger really being trapped in dark space, and the reapers are using the Collectors to create an avatar in the galactic core might be interesting.

[AlanC9]

Like Harbinger really being trapped in dark space, and the reapers are using the Collectors to create an avatar in the galactic core might be interesting.

Wasn't this a very common speculation right after ME2 was released?

[KaiserShep]

Wasn't this a very common speculation right after ME2 was released?

 

Beats me. I didn't play ME2 for the first time until just last year, around the same time I joined this forum.

[Staff Cdr Alenko]

And if the cloud bursts, thunder in your ear
You shout and no one seems to hear.
And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes
I'll see you on the dark side of the moon.

 

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the
most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."

 

 

I guess we're not getting the band back together.

 

And all you create
And all you destroy
And all that you do
And all that you say
And all that you eat
And everyone you meet
And all that you slight
And everyone you fight
And all that is now
And all that is gone
And all that's to come
And everything under the sun is in tune
But the sun is eclipsed by the moon.

 

***

 

[video plays, showing Reapers attacking a major city on Earth, reducing buildings to rubble one by one]

Anderson: Reverse and hold at 38.5.

[video rewinds and freezes with a clear view of one of the Reapers]

Hackett: It doesn't look good.

Anderson: No, it does not. Have we tested all possible scenarios?

Hackett: All that assume they'll take out the batarians first. And they will, if they pass through Kite's Nest unopposed.

Anderson: Then we need to make sure they don't.

Udina: And how do you propose we do that? After Bahak, we...

Hackett: I'm well aware of the situation, Ambassador.

Udina: Are you? The batarians are gathering fleets against us as we speak!

Hackett: That is what I'm counting on.

[themikefest]

good to see fans who like Pink Floyd. Their best album is The Wall

[Staff Cdr Alenko]

good to see fans who like Pink Floyd. Their best album is The Wall

 

Oh, The Wall absolutely destroys you when you listen to it. It's godly.

 

My favourite one though, I think, is Dark Side.

[BigglesFlysAgain]

I've come up with more "humerous" fanfic endings recently...

 

Flash Gordon ending

 

Perfect substitutions for all characters

 

Shepard can fly the Normandy though the window of the citadel, interrupting TIM's plan to marry your Love interest, and impaling him  on one of the normandy's "tusks".

 

Shepard: "The games lost Illusive man! Stop your attack on the Galaxy and I'll spare your life!"

***TIM holds Shepard in place with reaper power***

Tim: "Pitiful fool My life, is not for any [Background choice] to give or take!"

***Tims grievous wound begins to take its toll, his hold over shepard weakens and he falls to his knees***

 

Shepard: "Your power is fading illusive man!"

 

***Tim slowly collapses and, then fades into pure energy, his cigar falls to the ground***

***Countdown clock for reaper attack counts to zero***

***Garrus runs in (if not LI, in which case he is replaced with Thane)***

Garrus: "The reapers have been destroyed!!!"

***Garrus notices Krogan soldiers have arrived through the breach created by the normandy***

Garrus: "Glad you made it Wrex!"

Wrex: "Better late than never!"

Shepard: (calls out LI name)

***Killer info drone enters the room, heading for shepard, and Wrex looks up in surprise***

Wrex: Look out Shepard!

***Shepard raises weapon to drone, but is transfixed by the sight of it, LI and Garrus run to his side***

LI: "Shepard, Don't move! Stay where you are!"

 

Info drone: "Long live shepard, you've saved your earth! Have a nice day!"

 

***Shepard leaps up in triumph and exclaims***

 

Cheesy celebration

 

Anderson made the new leader, Wrex General of the Galaxies armies.

 

Anderson: From this day on, let every breed of sentient life live together in peace.

 

Tsoni to mordin... "Will we ever get out of here?"

 

Mordin: "I have no data to form conclusion, will certainly attempt"

 

 

 

***At the very end, mysterious hands pick up TIM's cigar... mysterious laughter***

 

The end?

[Hadeedak]

good to see fans who like Pink Floyd. Their best album is The Wall

 

 

I'm a Jethro Tull human myself (there is a nonzero probability I'm a terrible person), but I do love Floyd. I like a lot of bands, but that's neither here nor there.

 

I would have been confusedly okay with an ending that joyfully camp. I do think if ther.e's one big problem Mass Effect 3 has, tonally (to take the discussion back a page), it's that it's much, much funnier than 1 or 2 as far as Shepard's lines go, but it's also a little less campy to my thinking and a bit more brutal.