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Unless he gets assassinated and a radical Chief with Wrex's level of Charisma becomes de facto leader of the Krogan Empire.

 

It's best to have measures in place in case the Krogan go bonkers again, Wrex or no Wrex.

 

 

that is why Wrex will have a plan for the long term. True he has the charisma but he has the intelligence and knowledge how Krogans work. Overall Intelligence, knowledge and Charisma are good assets for a good leader. In which Wrex truly is.



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I also suspect, because the Salarians were also in the early phases of uplifting the Yahg, that they'd pit the two against each other if the Krogan got uppity again. I find it funny how the Dalatras complains about the Turians and humanity being short sighted with curing the genophage, when they're making the same mistake again with uplifting the Yahg. Still, we'd only find the results of that uplift centuries down the road.



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I also suspect, because the Salarians were also in the early phases of uplifting the Yahg, that they'd pit the two against each other if the Krogan got uppity again. I find it funny how the Dalatras complains about the Turians and humanity being short sighted with curing the genophage, when they're making the same mistake again with uplifting the Yahg. Still, we'd only find the results of that uplift centuries down the road.

 

The Yahg homeworld is essentially a Council blacklisted site. There would be hell to pay if the Salarians got caught involved in trying to pull something like that.



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But we don't know that much about the yahg, unless there's a codex entry I haven't read, cuz I'm exceedingly guilty of that. How fast do they reproduce? How many are born at a time? What is their average lifespan? They could be nothing at all like the krogan, and so not as much of a risk to uplift... at least not a danger to overrun the galaxy. 



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But we don't know that much about the yahg, unless there's a codex entry I haven't read, cuz I'm exceedingly guilty of that. How fast do they reproduce? How many are born at a time? What is their average lifespan? They could be nothing at all like the krogan, and so not as much of a risk to uplift... at least not a danger to overrun the galaxy. 

 

Uh. They killed the Council delegation that had been sent to give them an introduction to the galactic community because of a show of mutual respect... Which in turn got their world put on a blacklist due to their savage culture.



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I also suspect, because the Salarians were also in the early phases of uplifting the Yahg, that they'd pit the two against each other if the Krogan got uppity again. I find it funny how the Dalatras complains about the Turians and humanity being short sighted with curing the genophage, when they're making the same mistake again with uplifting the Yahg. Still, we'd only find the results of that uplift centuries down the road.

 

I dunno about centuries. What they lack in redundancies in their physiology and rapid breeding rate, they make up for by being meaner and much more intelligent than the krogan. Aside from that, the yagh are much more cooperative with one another. Among the krogan, newly appointed leaders can be killed by rivals, whereas defeated yagh remain loyal to the victor. I imagine that the other Council races would have a shifty looking cow if they ever found out that they were trying to turn them into troopers. Man I wish BioWare would explore this and have the yagh uplift bite the frogs in the ass. I'd love to see some kind of yagh uprising.



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I dunno about centuries. What they lack in redundancies in their physiology and rapid breeding rate, they make up for by being meaner and much more intelligent than the krogan. Aside from that, the yagh are much more cooperative with one another. Among the krogan, newly appointed leaders can be killed by rivals, whereas defeated yagh remain loyal to the victor. I imagine that the other Council races would have a shifty looking cow if they ever found out that they were trying to turn them into troopers. Man I wish BioWare would explore this and have the yagh uplift bite the frogs in the ass. I'd love to see some kind of yagh uprising.

 

Lets not considering that I see them being space facists or some other form of degenerate form of govt if they tried to organize something like that. I mean dominance is THAT ingrained into their culture that I dont see them bothering with anything else.



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Uh. They killed the Council delegation that had been sent to give them an introduction to the galactic community because of a show of mutual respect... Which in turn got their world put on a blacklist due to their savage culture.

Violence can be bred out over generations. I'd speculate that's something the salarians might have been working towards on Sur'Kesh when we arrived there for Eve. The point attempted to make, not very clearly I guess, is along the lines of if the yahg can't replace their lost armies as quickly as the krogan could, I'm sure they're not as great a risk to uplift. Hell, shep took one on in a fist-fight and lived. 

 

Besides, salarians are pretty smart, they're not going to completely repeat their mistakes.



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Lets not considering that I see them being space facists or some other form of degenerate form of govt if they tried to organize something like that. I mean dominance is THAT ingrained into their culture that I dont see them bothering with anything else.

 

That's precisely why I want it to happen XD Mass Effect just isn't Mass Effect without some chaotic shenanigans happening. Of course, I wouldn't mind some outliers among their group, but for the most part, I'd really like to see the salarians repeat their mistake in the yagh for the sake of whatever shiny new gun BioWare gives us.


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I guess Wrex and Wreav will be in awe that they have to deal with each other now that the Genophage is cured...of course, Wreav's more jelly!

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I can almost hear Vegeta crushing his scouter at that EMS.


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I guess Wrex and Wreav will be in awe that they have to deal with each other now that the Genophage is cured...of course, Wreav's more jelly!

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And Wrex will have Grunt on his side. Biotic Grunt, even.


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And Wrex will have Grunt on his side. Biotic Grunt, even.

Hahaha! Wasn't there a thread about someone wanting ME4 to be about Wrex and Wreav? 



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Hahaha! Wasn't there a thread about someone wanting ME4 to be about Wrex and Wreav? 

I missed it if there was. That would actually be kinda epic... to have at least part of the game take place with the player getting involved in a civil war between Wrex and Wreav. Hmm....


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I can almost hear Vegeta crushing his scouter at that EMS.

I just kinda had to give myself all of the available assets in the game which includes DLC assets if you have them. Of course, even if I did obtain all of the possible assets without using the command, I'd still be in the 9,000's. It doesn't make much of a difference. The thing about it is that GiveAllGAWAssets will give you all of the assets excluding some minor side quests, but it will also remove some assets as well, such as Wrex. To actually give yourself every asset, you have to punch in ResetAllGAWAssets to actually obtain the missing assets that were removed with the previous command or changed with bad assets such as Rachni Breeder.



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I missed it if there was. That would actually be kinda epic... to have at least part of the game take place with the player getting involved in a civil war between Wrex and Wreav. Hmm....

Ah, here it is!


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Thank you  :) 

 

... Okay actually I do remember reading that thread now. 



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Salarians have a huge case of consequentialism thinking, whether they are right or wrong is up to the player to decide, tbh. With Wreav as leader, not curing the genophage is the best solution. He shows no restraint and the fact he can be fooled into thinking the genophage is cured means he really is a bit... well, slow.

 

With Wrex and Eve alive, I fully believe the Krogan could adapt, and under a leader with one unified flag could rise as strong allies. The Council races shouldn't be playing God, sending Krogan to fight then sterilizing them shows how they think nothing more of the Krogan than animals and tools to be used. The Turians and Salarians have shown equal barbarism to Krogan, imo.



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Unless he gets assassinated and a radical Chief with Wrex's level of Charisma becomes de facto leader of the Krogan Empire.

 

It's best to have measures in place in case the Krogan go bonkers again, Wrex or no Wrex.

 

I'm totally pro-Krogan, but I'd be lying if I said that I wouldn't be worried about Krogan birth rate if the genophage is cured. Even having Wrex and Eve around.

 

I just hope Eve puts on some serious convincing on all the females about applying some kind of birth self-control. Also, it wouldn't be a bad idea to teach krogan about ecological means of colonizing a planet, a-la-Eden Prime. The galaxy is pretty big, but it'd be sad that more planets would end up like Garvug.



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They basically developed a fleet of Normandy's.

Well, Dreadnought Normandy's. And you tell me they won't dominate the galaxy after the Reapers are gone.

 they arnt stealthed when they fire their weapons. to much heat...so many frog legs



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In my game with Wreave where Eve survived, I got the impression that Wreave was going to use the credible threat of Korogan revenge to exact favors from the Council. I couldn't really tell how far he would go. Wreave is definitely a thug, but he came across as way more intelligent than the impressions of him I'd gotten on this forum.

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Salarians have a huge case of consequentialism thinking, whether they are right or wrong is up to the player to decide, tbh. With Wreav as leader, not curing the genophage is the best solution. He shows no restraint and the fact he can be fooled into thinking the genophage is cured means he really is a bit... well, slow.

 

His being tricked successfully that the genophage cure was sabotaged doesn't really say much about his intelligence; it only says that he's not as well connected. It could be that Wrex has more contacts due to his more diplomatic nature, whereas more might be more reluctant to share anything with Wreav.



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His being tricked successfully that the genophage cure was sabotaged doesn't really say much about his intelligence; it only says that he's not as well connected. It could be that Wrex has more contacts due to his more diplomatic nature, whereas more might be more reluctant to share anything with Wreav.

I have no idea who Wrex's contacts could possibly be except for Mordin, Wiks and possibly Kirrahe though, If Mordin died in the SM and you have Wiks he tells you that no one at STG agreed with him about curing the Krogan and that he had been frozen out by everyone there, so I have absolutely no idea how Wrex pulls this non-existent pro-Krogan STG contact from his backside if Mordin and Kirrahe are dead. 

 

I'll chuck that on the same pile as the Geth VI being labelled as Legion in the subtitles. 



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In my game with Wreave where Eve survived, I got the impression that Wreave was going to use the credible threat of Korogan revenge to exact favors from the Council. I couldn't really tell how far he would go. Wreave is definitely a thug, but he came across as way more intelligent than the impressions of him I'd gotten on this forum.

 

Its easy to look smarter when the general opinion is that someone is dumber than a jar of mayonnaise. Plus the Krogan portion of the ending showing Wreav going to war against Eve pretty much shows that he intended to do exactly what he said he would, which was something that Eve was against. Wreav only wanted power for the sake of having power, and couldnt care about the political ramifications if he tried. Wrex at least knew how to be diplomatic and and work in the long term for the benefit of his people.



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I also suspect, because the Salarians were also in the early phases of uplifting the Yahg, that they'd pit the two against each other if the Krogan got uppity again. I find it funny how the Dalatras complains about the Turians and humanity being short sighted with curing the genophage, when they're making the same mistake again with uplifting the Yahg. Still, we'd only find the results of that uplift centuries down the road.


The Dalatras is the biggest moron available for the Salaian's. Yeah since she doesn't learn from their mistakes..