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[Aimi]

I don't blame the Krogan. The genophage was the solution (the only solution) to the Krogan problem. It wasn't a punishment, but a necessary evil.

What a singularly unfortunate choice of words.

[Excella Gionne]

Linron is an ignorant and bigoted ******. I doubt she knows much of anything relevant when it comes to living with any sort of true burden. Makes me glad she has to worry about a bloody coup coming her way once STG stops taking orders from her.

I think STG can overrule her orders as said by Hackett about STG not letting a Dalatrass get in their way just because she didn't get her way.

[Ryriena]

What a singularly unfortunate choice of words.

It was a matter of time this thread would be Goodwin lawd. But yeah can't wait too see how STG would bring down the Dalatrase in the coming game. She alone risked the war being won over her bigoted beliefs and will likely cause them to loose the respect of the elite in Galactic space society. Hell, the Bartians had more reasons not too join in the effort but they helped in the war efforts against the Reapers. She let her bigoted beliefs jeopardize the entire galactic fleet she should be overthrown.

[Excella Gionne]

What a singularly unfortunate choice of words.

Sounds a bit over the top....but I see the relations....:-/ 

[Kabooooom]

What a singularly unfortunate choice of words.

Yes because a fictional virus which affects birth rate of a fictional species is totally reminiscent of the mass murder of millions of people when the words "solution" and "problem" are used in the same sentence. *eyeroll* give me a f*cking break.

[I Tsunayoshi I]

I think STG can overrule her orders as said by Hackett about STG not letting a Dalatrass get in their way just because she didn't get her way.

 

Its usually a bad sign when a Dalatrass loses control of STG. Usually means that they are backing another bloodline, and that someone is going to be dealing with a coup in the near future.

[Excella Gionne]

Its usually a bad sign when a Dalatrass loses control of STG. Usually means that they are backing another bloodline, and that someone is going to be dealing with a coup in the near future.

Probably, but the Dalatrass is mentally unable to order STG due to her hate for the Krogans...

[Deathsaurer]

I think STG can overrule her orders as said by Hackett about STG not letting a Dalatrass get in their way just because she didn't get her way.

More like they just ignored her because she was being stupid. Not a good omen for her political career though.

[I Tsunayoshi I]

Probably, but the Dalatrass is mentally unable to order STG due to her hate for the Krogans...

Or she could order, and they ignore because what she wants isnt going to help.

 

More like they just ignored her because she was being stupid. Not a good omen for her political career though.

See below, as there really is one end for her career when STG stops supporting her, meaning they wont take orders from her unless its stuff that actually needs doing.

 

Its usually a bad sign when a Dalatrass loses control of STG. Usually means that they are backing another bloodline, and that someone is going to be dealing with a coup in the near future.

[guigaccess]

Lot of Linron hate going on here, huh? I am totally pro-curing the genophage, but I can understand her worries.

After the cure, each female can give birth to 1000 krogan in one year. In the blink of an eye the krogan will spread throughout the galaxy. Even if Wrex and Bakara lead the race well, with such huge population there will be some who will act on their own and seek revenge on the salarian.

Even though they will not be a threat on their own, it's easy to see a group of rebellious krogan can cause a lot of damage before being shot down.

 

I don't think Linron is a hateful person, specially because she is not worring about her own safety, but her people (most salarian don't live past 40 years and Linron is not exactly a kid anymore. How much time she still has ahead of her? 20 years? 10? Even if the krogan were to attack, whenever that happens she will not be around anymore).

Also, the genophage itself is not exactly that devastating: one birth out of 1000 still means each female can successfully give birth to one child per year. Seeing as a krogan can live for centuries, the species could survive and flourish even under these conditions. So it's easy to understand why a salarian wouldn't think lifting the genophage was worth the risk of a war, it's not like the genophage alone was leading the krogan to extinction. What was really doing so was the fact the krogan THOUGHT they wouldn't survive the genophage and gave up trying (also easy to understand since from their POV they could only see the insane amount of stillborns, despair would blind them easily).

 

Now add to that the fact the genophage actually just made the birthrate becomes what it was before the krogan were uplift by the salarian and moved to a world without Tutchanka's harsh environment. To the salarian, the genophage was just reverting the effects of what they did: bringing the krogan back to what they were before the uplifting. They don't see that as punishment to the krogan, but it's their way to amend their own mistake (something they seem to be willing to repeat with the yahg, though).

 

 

 

Based on all that, I don't think the Linron hate is deserved.

[Deathsaurer]

I think the fact that the STG went behind her back because she was refusing to support the war effort out of spite says a lot about her. Even Wiks had some... unflattering things to say about her. It gives the impression she is very emotionally unstable. Though some of her concerns are legitimate her attitude, and various Salarian opinions of her, undermine her stance. A bully has few friends when they need them most indeed.

[I Tsunayoshi I]

I think the fact that the STG went behind her back because she was refusing to support the war effort out of spite says a lot about her. Even Wiks had some... unflattering things to say about her. It gives the impression she is very emotionally unstable. Though some of her concerns are legitimate her attitude, and various Salarian opinions of her, undermine her stance. A bully has few friends when they need them most indeed.

 

Well, the blog post that was made when Bioware was setting up for ME3 with their ANN posts made it pretty clear that Linron didnt have a solid power base to start with when she came into power. Considering her current stances and refusal to back any meaningful aid towards the war effort would probably erode what what she had to start with. I would not be surprised to hear about a coup that removed her from power in favor of the previous Dalatrass or someone else mindful of the galactic community at large.

[AlexMBrennan]

After the cure, each female can give birth to 1000 krogan in one year

That seems logistically highly unlikely - you'd either have to fit 1000 krogan inside one female krogan for a year, or have a female go through pregnancy and give birth to one krogan over three times each day every day. 

[guigaccess]

It was said in one instance that's how many babies a female krogan can have in one year, I don't remember when it was said though.

But you should consider the possibility of a krogan laying many eggs at the same time. We know a female salarian can lay dozens of eggs at once, maybe that's how the krogan do as well, but more frequently.

[Excella Gionne]

I think they give birth through the womb, not laying eggs. 

[Deathsaurer]

EDI and Okeer say it off the top of my head.

[guigaccess]

Yes, you are right! Here is EDI explaining it: 

 

"A krogan female of breeding age can produce clutches of up to 1,000 fertilized eggs over the course of a year. There are a billion females on Tuchanka. If even one percent become fully fertile, they can birth ten billion infants."

[KaiserShep]

I can't really say that the Linron hate is ill-founded. She doesn't really lay any hard facts on the table during the conference; she simply mixes her worries with insults toward Wrex/Wreav. All the while, she does not present her case with as much composure as one might like when discussing the fate of an entire species. When you say something like keeping one's "urges in check" when it comes to a bioweapon, it kind of sends the wrong message. It wouldn't have taken long to mirror some of what Mordin said about threat assessment, simulations and the sort. Of course , this could be countered with the fact that the genophage leaves the krogan population unsustainable during any prolonged conflict, making it clear that you are deciding whether or not they deserve to go extinct for what they might do. But, I don't think the conference would have been the best place to make such a decision.

[Kabooooom]

Now add to that the fact the genophage actually just made the birthrate becomes what it was before the krogan were uplift by the salarian and moved to a world without Tutchanka's harsh environment. To the salarian, the genophage was just reverting the effects of what they did: bringing the krogan back to what they were before the uplifting. They don't see that as punishment to the krogan, but it's their way to amend their own mistake (something they seem to be willing to repeat with the yahg, though).



Based on all that, I don't think the Linron hate is deserved.

The Krogan reproductive rate was only that way prior to the uplifting because of post-natal death from various causes. Since it sucks a horrendous amount of ass to live on Tuchanka and all. So mathematically, yes, their population stabilizes to pre-uplifting levels (assuming no further death stemming indirectly from Krogan apathy). But psychologically, seeing the stillborn, the genophage has an undeniably harmful effect.

Not that I'm arguing against it's use - I am 100% pro genophage. But it is not benign and it is not just reverting their population back to a prior state. It's worse than that. But that's the way it goes. It is what it is. There was (and is) no alternative. Or at least not a reasonable one that was presented in the story.

[Excella Gionne]

I'm sure they give birth to babies and not lay eggs until they hatch. Their babies are baby size, so that would mean those eggs are huge! I believe they give birth like mammals. 

[SporkFu]

I'm sure they give birth to babies and not lay eggs until they hatch. Their babies are baby size, so that would mean those eggs are huge! I believe they give birth like mammals. 

It's kind of confusing when they say a "clutch" in reference to krogan births. To me, that means eggs. Then they say, under the genophage one in a thousand survives. Makes you wonder how long they stay inside the eggs before they hatch so the parents can find out... which would suggest live births. 

[Excella Gionne]

It's kind of confusing when they say a "clutch" in reference to krogan births. To me, that means eggs. Then they say, under the genophage one in a thousand survives. Makes you wonder how long they stay inside the eggs before they hatch so the parents can find out... which would suggest live births. 

I think their referencing eggs, and when I say eggs, I mean like in human terms a female's egg or ovum.

[SporkFu]

I think their referencing eggs, and when I say eggs, I mean like in human terms a female's egg or ovum.

You could be right, and another point in favor of live births is them being referred to as stillborn under the genophage, which would kinda be the wrong term for egg births. Hmm... We need an "ask Wrex" sub-section in this forum. 

[Excella Gionne]

Do you think Elcor's lay eggs? Maybe not, dem arms would smash it to bits! I see why Asari are into Elcor too! I remember hearing something about an Asari's father was an Elcor....  

[SporkFu]

Do you think Elcor's lay eggs? Maybe not, dem arms would smash it to bits! I see why Asari are into Elcor too! I remember hearing something about an Asari's father was an Elcor....

I would think elcor have live births... You know in all the time I've been playing and talking the mass effect games, I never really thought about elcor beyond what we see in-game. Now I can't stop, it's like an endless loop subroutine in my mind. Agh.