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[DeinonSlayer]

First, the scene as written:

*Shepard mopes*
Tevos: "Commander Shepard, are you there? Commander?"
Shepard: "Councilor… the mission…"
Tevos: "We've lost all contact with Thessia. The planet has gone dark. How soon will the Crucible be ready to deploy?"
Shepard: "Councilor, I wish the news was better. We didn't get the information."
Tevos: "What happened?"
Shepard: "Cerberus was there. We were… defeated. We don't know how to finish the Crucible."
Tevos: "I – I don't know what to say... what was the situation on Thessia?"
Shepard: "Deteriorating fast. The Reapers are there in strength."
Tevos: "Then you'll excuse me. There are… preparations to make. The continuity of civilization to consider."
Tevos: "I never thought this day would come..."
Shepard: "None of us did. I'm..."
*Tevos disconnects*
Shepard: "...sorry."

How would your Shepard have reacted during this conversation? If you could add one or two dialogue branches to the above exchange, where would you put them, and what would you have Shepard say? How about during the meeting in the War Room immediately after? Any dialogue on the Normandy, really? I myself avoid talking to James and Joker, and ignore the call from Anderson for the rest of the game to keep Shepard's whining to a minimum.

If I could make changes to the above, I'd add a branch towards the end.

Tevos: "I never thought this day would come."
Shepard (paragon): "None of us did. I'm... sorry."
Shepard (renegade): "You were warned three years ago, Councilor. No one gets to hide anymore."

I'll probably post more alterations later; curious for now how others would handle it, being as it's one of the most frequently-derided parts of the game.

[KaiserShep]

Tevos: I never thought this day would come.

 

Shepard: [renegade] If your government had shared its information with us sooner, it probably wouldn't have.

 

I actually liked the War Room conversation. I agreed with James about kicking Cerberus in the balls just as much as Shepard did.

[von uber]

I would say:

"Tevos, it's not your own personal fault so I am not going to take it all out on you personally. Now, what is the best way forward to salvage as much as we can and focus on beating the Reapers; we can deal with the fallout once we have won."

[DeinonSlayer]

Tevos: I never thought this day would come.

Shepard: [renegade] If your government had shared its information with us sooner, it probably wouldn't have.

I actually liked the War Room conversation. I agreed with James about kicking Cerberus in the balls just as much as Shepard did.

Nice.

What I didn't like about the War Room conversation was how Shepard (potentially after instigating the extinction of at least three species and blowing it off) assumes personal responsibility for and gets all angst-addled over the fall of Thessia - saving the planet was so far outside the scope of the mission there that it isn't even funny.

[cap and gown]

I don't have a problem with the Tevos conversation. I do have a problem with the war room dialogue. I have no idea why Shepard would think she was in any way responsible for what happened. I also have problems with some of the crew dialogue, particularly Garrus and James. And Joker's post-Thessia dialogue is the point where I came to dislike that character. (Never mind the fact that he's the reason I died!)

[Pirate Queen Isabela]

Yeah, Joker's comment was mistimed, it doesn't matter who he lost or joking is his coping mechanism, that really doesn't excuse anything.

 

I honestly felt terrible for the Asari, but every person is different and I think they should have gave us an option to respond to her in different ways. Yes, you lost your homeworld but that doesn't mean my character has to feel sympathy for her or the Asari in general. ME3 limited player control.

[RZIBARA]

I would have told her to go f*ck herself. Useless cow

[Mordokai]

I don't have a problem with the Tevos conversation. I do have a problem with the war room dialogue. I have no idea why Shepard would think she was in any way responsible for what happened. I also have problems with some of the crew dialogue, particularly Garrus and James. And Joker's post-Thessia dialogue is the point where I came to dislike that character. (Never mind the fact that he's the reason I died!)

 

Oh good, glad to see I'm not the only one who wanted to smack the wanker for his comment.

[Cknarf]

Pretty much something along the lines of Joker's comments post-Thessia.  

[ImaginaryMatter]

Oh good, glad to see I'm not the only one who wanted to smack the wanker for his comment.

 

Joker's joke was especially in bad taste; and the notion that he thought it would alleviate Shepard's stress or whatever was even worse. I just avoid that particular encounter from now on.

 

I think It would be like standing at the WTC on 9/11 and go, "Must have been a female pilot, am-I-right?"

[DeinonSlayer]

I think It would be like standing at the WTC on 9/11 and go, "Must have been a female pilot, am-I-right?"

[justafan]

Paragon option:  Pretty much as is

 

Renegade option:

Tevos: We've lost all contact with Thessia, the planet has gone dark, How soon will the Crucible be ready to deploy.

Shepard:  It won't be councilor, you were too late.  You could have told us about this after Sovereign, you could have told us about this when the collectors were attacking Protheans, but you know what, I can almost understand not wanting to believe the reapers were real.  What I can't understand is that once they took Earth, and you could no longer burry your heads in the sand, that you STILL didn't help us until you were in danger.  Thanks to your little secret, you may very well have doomed us all.  *hangs up on councilor for old times sake*

[Daemul]

I think It would be like standing at the WTC on 9/11 and go, "Must have been a female pilot, am-I-right?"

 

I'm sorry but this got me. 

[Mordokai]

Joker's joke was especially in bad taste; and the notion that he thought it would alleviate Shepard's stress or whatever was even worse. I just avoid that particular encounter from now on.

 

I think It would be like standing at the WTC on 9/11 and go, "Must have been a female pilot, am-I-right?"

 

Pretty much. What pisses me even more though is that dude has the nerve to act all pissy and insulted in case you go totally renegade on him. Oh yeah sure Joker, I'm just gonna stand here and eat your **** and take it with a grin, god forbid saying anything bad to you for it.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Well, the problem with blaming the Asari Councilor and the  government about sharing the information sooner is that The Illusive Man got the information about its location from the Mars Archives at the beginning of the game. He just needed you to unlock it. He needed to know when you were going to be there. That's all. So here's my rewrite of the conversation:

 

 

On way down: (P interrupt) *Shepard mopes*  (R interrupt) *Shepard pissed as hell* - if you take the paragon interrupt the renegade interrupt does not appear. The default is Shepard mopes. I just put the paragon interrupt for the illusion.

 

Tevos: "Commander Shepard, are you there? Commander?"

Shepard: (P) "Councilor... The mission..."  (Renegade) "Yes, Councilor, I'm here."

Tevos: "Contact with Thessia has been cut off. When will the Crucible be ready to use?"

 

Paragon conversation:

 

Shepard: (P) "Councilor, I wish the news was better. We didn't get the information."  

Tevos: "Why not?"

Shepard: "Cerberus was there. We were... we were defeated. We don't know how to finish the crucible."

Tevos: "I... don't know what to say... what was the situation on Thessia?"

Shepard: "Deteriorating fast. The Reapers are there in strength."

Tevos: "Then I should be going. Plans must be put in motion. Continuity of civilization has to be considered."

Tevos: "I never imagined this day would come..."

Shepard: "None of us did. I'm..."

*Tevos disconnects*

Shepard: "...sorry."

 

 

Renegade conversation:

 

Shepard: (Renegade) "Cerberus was there. They were inside the temple waiting for us. Without that information we can't finish the Crucible."

Tevos: "What?"

Shepard: "They got the information. They even gloated they got its location from the Mars Archives. Your secret wasn't as safe as you thought."

Tevos: "I – I don't know what to say... 

Shepard: "It's obvious Udina's office was bugged. They just needed me to unlock the beacon. We should have spoken elsewhere."

Tevos: "C-sec said it was clean."

Shepard: "They obviously missed one. We can't do anything about it now. Without that information we're all fucked."

Tevos: "What was the situation on Thessia?"

Shepard: "Just like Earth during the initial attack, deteriorating fast. The Reapers are there in strength."

Tevos: "Then I should be going. Plans must be put in motion. Continuity of civilization has to be considered."

Tevos: "I never imagined this day would come...." 

Shepard: "This isn't over. Cerberus has the information, and I intend to get it back."

Tevos: "Then I wish you luck, Commander."

Shepard: "It's going to take more than that, but thanks."

*Tevos disconnects*

Shepard: *lights a cigarette* "EDI, have everyone assemble in the war room. Now!"

[KaiserShep]

I admit I was amused when he said "too soon?"

[Pirate Queen Isabela]

I admit I was amused when he said "too soon?"

 

Always reminds me of Aveline saying "too soon, too personal, too- everything from you!"

[congokong]

Not sure of the exact words, but my canon renegade Shepard would be pissed that Tevos' replacement (Tevos is dead) and the asari:

 

1. Had kept a prothean beacon for themselves against council law

2. Waited until Thessia was almost plagued by reapers to mention said beacon to Shepard

3. Ignored Shepard's warnings for 3 years

 

She would not be apologizing. This is the same Shepard that hung up on the council at every chance in ME1 and joked to the turian councilor that she enjoys genocide of ...certain species.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Joker's joke was especially in bad taste; and the notion that he thought it would alleviate Shepard's stress or whatever was even worse. I just avoid that particular encounter from now on.

 

I think It would be like standing at the WTC on 9/11 and go, "Must have been a female pilot, am-I-right?"

 

 

I don't see the bad taste in his joke. Or yours, for that matter. I suppose I would if I lost friends or family on that day, but I didn't, Shepard similarly did not in The Fall of Thessia, and I do not feel the need to be offended on behalf of those who did (explains why Liaramancers get more offended by this joke than others, though). That's not to say 9/11 or TFoT are not tragedies, just that I don't find the events off-limits for joking about, especially not within private company.

 

It would only cross that line for me if known victims themselves were being mocked, like if Joker were to say something about the asari lieutenant that died, but a general comment about the situation with his usual snark applied isn't anywhere close to that. 

 

Then again, this is the same game where Shepard auto-dialogues being offended "on behalf" of Liara over Wreav's insult about asari, so go figure.

[Jorji Costava]

The whole Thessia sequence is straight out of Blake Snyder's Save the Cat! beat sheet (if you've ever wondered why a lot of Hollywood blockbusters seem so formulaic, it's because there's actually a literal formula that a lot of screenwriters are following). It's basically the "All is Lost/Dark Night of the Soul" moment of the story, the low point the protagonists are supposed to hit before the main conflict can finally be resolved. I get that you would want to include a moment like this; not every game can be an exhibition on stunningly original plotting, but my questions are:

 

1. Why does it have to be Thessia? The emotional stakes are a bit low for PC's who aren't super-invested in Liara, seeing as Thessia is a place we've never been to before and have little emotional connection with (I can't help but wonder if the choice of Thessia was a symptom of Liara's elevated importance).

 

2. Why is the fall of Thessia immediately juxtaposed with the revelation that the Asari government is complicit in acts that undermined the war effort, only to force the player to be 100% sympathetic to representative of said government only moments later? A little perplexing.

[CrutchCricket]

I think It would be like standing at the WTC on 9/11 and go, "Must have been a female pilot, am-I-right?"

 

Except Joker was right.

 

To the OP:

 

Tevos: "I never thought this day would come..."

 

Paragon
Shepard: "It was inevitable. The Reapers... nothing could've stopped them from coming. Even if we had prepared thousands, millions would've still perished. I know that doesn't make it easier. Our only chance was the Crucible and I let Cerberus stop us from finishing it. I'm...sorry."
*Tevos disconnects*

 

Renegade

Shepard: I'm... no. I'm not sorry. I warned you this day would come. I begged you to prepare. Now maybe the Reapers would still come and maybe our worlds would still burn. But how many could've been saved if we had been ready? I let Cerberus keep us from finishing the Crucible. That's on me. Can you face your mistakes?

*Shepard disconnects*

 

Other than that I'd change every instance of dialogue where Shepard expresses responsibility for Thessia to responsibility for losing to Cerberus. Paragon or renegade, the idea that the Reapers taking Thessia is on Shepard is downright moronic.

[Coming0fShadows]

I think I would have had the war room conversation and come up with a new plan before I talked to Tevos, because that way I wouldnt sound like an idiot. Shepard pretty much crying over it... well that was one of the many times in ME3 i was wondering what happened to being a renegade...

Never felt that bad for Thessia or Earth since I was never there before and hadnt seen any real importance to them in the games.... Well actually I cared more about Thessia than Earth, simply because by that time I was sick of all the Earth First crap being thrown in my face all the time like it was the center of the universe.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

In-universe context, Thessia falling is a bit like New York or London being destroyed, but much bigger. 

Not only is it the center of the galactic economy, but is a symbol, from the codex, as "the crown jewel of the galaxy."

Just wanted to point that out. 

[DeinonSlayer]

In-universe context, Thessia falling is a bit like New York or London being destroyed, but much bigger. 
Not only is it the center of the galactic economy, but is a symbol, from the codex, as "the crown jewel of the galaxy."
Just wanted to point that out.

Noted, but can't really be made to care as much. We've never seen it and have no basis for attachment. "Beating heart of galactic love," yeah, great, whatever - I know we're supposed to be, but not really into the blue stuff.

Same goes for Earth. Shepard, you were born on Mindoir and voiced plans to build a house on Rannoch after the war - Earth isn't "home" in any sense, past, present, or future. Players have no reason to care.

Do the same thing to Illium, on the other hand, and there's more basis for it because we've seen it.