Nope in case diplomatic/paragon hawke during battle he says may andraste guide you and another type of stuff also some dialogues are enforced when he wishes maker guide him for example in feynriel in the fade hawke have 2 dialogue options 1 that tranquil second when he wishes maker guide him.
Saying Goodspeed or something similar is not religious. It's like saying bless you after someone sneezes.
I don't think there's an English equivalent to Andraste guide you.
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Merrill is a Pariah for sure even if she she loves the Dalish and holds their traditions. As First to the Keeper, she should preserve the Eluvian sure, but the Keeper also had the right to refuse, imo. I love Merrill but taking back a tainted mirror because of curiosity and history and lore is exactly why Tamlen disappeared and turned into a Ghoul later on. She crossed a line to learn more about what happened to her friends.
Marethari and her clan disagree with all of her actions, where as Merrill says the Dalish NEED this mirror to learn about the past and thrive as a people again. Her clanmates see her as someone who betrayed them and their Keeper. She broke the rules set by her Keeper, and as such her clan turned her away.
Merathari says she would have investigated the mirror herself in the Dalish origin. She doesn't want you to blame yourself or Tamlen too much. She knows what it's like to be in his shoes. That all changes with Duncan. Who says it's Tevinter and destroys it and conscripts my elf.
Funnily, none of this gets brought up in Witch Hunt. We're fairly happy go lucky traveling with Finn and Ariane, doing a little blood magic and fixing the mirror. Duncan's warnings don't even register. Probably because it's a bunch of a bullsh*t.
Saying Goodspeed or something similar is not religious. It's like saying bless you after someone sneezes.
I don't think there's an English equivalent to Andraste guide you.
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lol... saying that god guide you is clearly religious sign peoples don't say may allah guide you unless they belive... same here...
Merathari says she would have investigated the mirror herself in the Dalish origin. She doesn't want you to blame yourself or Tamlen too much. She knows what it's like to be in his shoes. That all changes with Duncan. Who says it's Tevinter and destroys it and conscripts my elf.
Funnily, none of this gets brought up in Witch Hunt. We're fairly happy go lucky traveling with Finn and Ariane. Duncan's warnings don't even register. Probably because it's a bunch of a bullsh*t.
Bioware and their love for retconning. 
And it's true, Duncan is wrong. It's not Tevinter. Whether Duncan messed up and it's a flaw or Bioware messed up, I'm not sure.
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Bioware and their love for retconning.
And it's true, Duncan is wrong. It's not Tevinter. Whether Duncan messed up and it's a flaw or Bioware messed up, I'm not sure.
"He's a Shem. That's all you need to know."
lol... saying that god guide you is clearly religious sign peoples don't say may allah guide you unless they belive... same here...
In the Middle East, "Insha'Allah" (God willing) and Masha'Allah (God wishes it) are common expressions that don't necessarily mean someone is a Muslim.
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If you're Diplo Hawke, then it's a choice. Sarcastic Hawke doesn't do it. And Aggro Hawke, at best, mockingly says "Send the Maker my regards." (that's after saying you like the smell of blood lol).
Besides that, Diplomatic is no different than Elthina. It might as well be Chantry based. Too nice for their own good. There's a reason why Varric calls Diplomatic Hawke "Waffles" in MotA.
If you're Diplo Hawke, then it's a choice. Sarcastic Hawke doesn't do it. And Aggro Hawke, at best, mockingly says "Send the Maker my regards." (that's after saying you like the smell of blood lol).
Besides that, Diplomatic is no different than Elthina. It might as well be Chantry based. Too nice for their own good. There's a reason why Varric calls Diplomatic Hawke "Waffles" in MotA.
I never understood that. Why Waffles. Is it in the context of Dipplo Hawke waffles on the important issues and changes his mind a lot...or is he soft and gooey?
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I never understood that. Why Waffles. Is it in the context of Dipplo Hawke waffles on the important issues and changes his mind a lot...or is he soft and gooey?
The former.
..And I guess someone who did it consistently is just being nice for the sake of it. Not that confrotational.
edit: Then again, you could say Sarcastic Hawke lacks principle too. That's what the Arishok accuses them of.
The former.
..And I guess someone who did it consistently is just being nice for the sake of it. Not that confrotational.
edit: Then again, you could say Sarcastic Hawke lacks principle too. That's what the Arishok accuses them of.
...That was a fun conversation. 
Then I don't get it because I thought the idea of personality sets...if you will...in DA 2 was to be consistent during auto dialogue. It would just make more sense for Varic to call you 'Waffles' if you changed your personality during the course of the game. Went from Sarcastic to Aggressive for instance.
While replaying DA:O as a Dalish Warden, I've noticed that they still given us Chantry views. One particular example is the conversation with Sten about wisdom. Only few other conversations actually give us a slight difference about religion.
As I ask... Will my Dalish be able to confirm his/her belief in their Creator gods? Or will I be part of the Chantry even though I am Dalish who has probably been taught His/Her entire life to believe in the Creators.
I would think there's a choice, although the topic in DA:O was superficial in the sense that you'd be in a near echo-chamber anywhere in Ferelden when it came to hearing or discussing anything regarding The/A Creator or The Maker. Any acceptance or belief in "The Creator" seems to be a moot point considering they removed the City Elf aspect from this as for offering the other perspective. The Dalish already hold their own beliefs, so I don't see why it should change from over a ten year period. From playing DA:O and DA2, I got the sense that City Elves had more of a sense in beliefs with their interactions with different races, than did the Dalish. It seems Bioware is holding back the whole Elven back-story a bit in this by removing the CE aspect. 
In the Middle East, "Insha'Allah" (God willing) and Masha'Allah (God wishes it) are common expressions that don't necessarily mean someone is a Muslim.
It would be pointless if they wouldn't like saying for atheist may god save us...
If you're Diplo Hawke, then it's a choice. Sarcastic Hawke doesn't do it. And Aggro Hawke, at best, mockingly says "Send the Maker my regards." (that's after saying you like the smell of blood lol).
Besides that, Diplomatic is no different than Elthina. It might as well be Chantry based. Too nice for their own good. There's a reason why Varric calls Diplomatic Hawke "Waffles" in MotA.
Not rly diplomatic hawke is only way to play as nice character and what you say that nice person= beliver dick = non-beliver if i desire to be nice it it doesn't because i want play religious cahracter... same if i want play di*** doesn't mean that i want play as atheist pretty much poor rp aspect...
I should decide what views my character have it is like saying you are nice and pro-mage or you are di** and pro-templar you want play nice pro-templar sorry you can't...
Bioware and their love for retconning.
And it's true, Duncan is wrong. It's not Tevinter. Whether Duncan messed up and it's a flaw or Bioware messed up, I'm not sure.
Probably something that was changed later on would be my guess.
Probably something that was changed later on would be my guess.
Agreed. It's possible that all the eluvian lore wasn't hammered out yet at that point.
Tophquisitor would be awesome. And that attitude would make sense for a rebellious First.
I'm totally using Tophquisitor to refer to my Dalish Inquisitor from now on. 
*pats*
lol
And the idea is growing on me the more I develop Tophquisitor.
I'm totally using Tophquisitor to refer to my Dalish Inquisitor from now on.
lol
And the idea is growing on me the more I develop Tophquisitor.
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Probably something that was changed later on would be my guess.
Oh, I don't know about that. You're acting as though Duncan had information on the Eluvians, while it is more likely that he had seen them in Tevinter, used by Tevinter Magisters and put two & two together. Yes, he could have asked, but magical artifacts isn't really his job; Grey Wardening is.
Hawke was terrible rpg proagonist often we didn't controled him and if we could it was only in limited way for example hawke always belive in maker and always care about his family even if i don't and don't want to my protagonist. Crap my pro-templar hawke protected anders from templars rpg aspect sucked in da 2 and i rly hope that neither feeling about someone or something also outlook won't be enforced like in da 2.
Dao was much better when it comes to rp you could choose about who you care and about who you don't same about your views.
Hawke is a product of her world and her culture. Belief in the Maker is a strong part of that culture. You may be role playing, but you're still working within a framework of what a character of that culture would think and believe.
As for caring about your family, I'm not sure why you'd even want a character who doesn't? A lot of the story wouldn't really work if there isn't at least a baseline assumption that Hawke cares about whether they live or die. You can still be a jerk to your family members if you want to be.
It would be pointless if they wouldn't like saying for atheist may god save us...
Many atheists still say "bless you" when people sneeze, and still use phrases like "for god's sake," because it's simply an ingrained social practice that does not necessarily hold any religious meaning for them. That's a lot of what statements like "Maker's breath" are. And I think it has been said by the devs that atheism, as we understand it, doesn't really exist in Thedas. People might choose not to piously follow Andraste or engage in any religious ceremonies, but there isn't some widespread movement to not believe in the Maker or Creators or Ancestors at all. You can be ambivilant about religion (or believe in a different religion), but a hard-line atheist wouldn't fit the culture. So it wouldn't make sense for them to offer your character an option that doesn't fit with the society they live in.
Not rly diplomatic hawke is only way to play as nice character and what you say that nice person= beliver dick = non-beliver if i desire to be nice it it doesn't because i want play religious cahracter... same if i want play di*** doesn't mean that i want play as atheist pretty much poor rp aspect...
You could also say that diplomatic Hawke is playing lipservice to people who obviously do believe in the Maker.
Hawke is a product of her world and her culture. Belief in the Maker is a strong part of that culture. You may be role playing, but you're still working within a framework of what a character of that culture would think and believe.
As for caring about your family, I'm not sure why you'd even want a character who doesn't? A lot of the story wouldn't really work if there isn't at least a baseline assumption that Hawke cares about whether they live or die. You can still be a jerk to your family members if you want to be.
Many atheists still say "bless you" when people sneeze, and still use phrases like "for god's sake," because it's simply an ingrained social practice that does not necessarily hold any religious meaning for them. That's a lot of what statements like "Maker's breath" are. And I think it has been said by the devs that atheism, as we understand it, doesn't really exist in Thedas. People might choose not to piously follow Andraste or engage in any religious ceremonies, but there isn't some widespread movement to not believe in the Maker or Creators or Ancestors at all. You can be ambivilant about religion (or believe in a different religion), but a hard-line atheist wouldn't fit the culture. So it wouldn't make sense for them to offer your character an option that doesn't fit with the society they live in.
You could also say that diplomatic Hawke is playing lipservice to people who obviously do believe in the Maker.
1.LoL that shouldn't be in case this is rpg game and protagonist should be player avatar in it so you want tell me that if i play tevinter i should be enforced to spread slavery and praise it?...
It should be up to player about who they care and about they don't like in dao it is like saying that if i want play rapist you should play it one and you don't have choice because i want play one and it fits to the story... No it should be up to player...
2.It isn't even related to religion more courtesy after all you don't tell "may the god protect you from all evil" second is phrase used when we are annoyed as well like vulgarism used instinctively it isn't "god bless you" or "Allah will guide you" or smiliar which cleary have religious meaning and have sense in use only by belivers.
3.No if i chose diplomatic option it isn't because i support maker , it isn't because i support mages , templars , mercenaries or chantry it is because i want be nice it shouldn't automatically tell me in what my character belive or not i should chose that and it shouldn't be because im nice or mean to others... It is just poor rp aspect that forces me to play in 3 ways that devs prepared to me. So i can't be nice atheist or mean beliver and same in many other things...
"Screw the rules, I have SHOES!!"~My Elfquisitor
Mine won't.
1.LoL that shouldn't be in case this is rpg game and protagonist should be player avatar in it so you want tell me that if i play tevinter i should be enforced to spread slavery and praise it?...
It should be up to player about who they care and about they don't like in dao it is like saying that if i want play rapist you should play it one and you don't have choice because i want play one and it fits to the story... No it should be up to player...
Er... rape and slavery are clear morality issues that involve the harm of another human. No culture would ever have 100% acceptance of those things, even if they are widespread and legal. We know that there are people in Tevinter who oppose slavery. It would not make sense to force our characters to believe in something that is obviously an issue that has been raised for the purpose of us taking a stance on it.
That's completely different from cultural beliefs. And yes, you are role playing, but you are not playing yourself, a human from Earth in 2014. You are playing a person who was born and raised in Thedas.
2.It isn't even related to religion more courtesy after all you don't tell "may the god protect you from all evil" second is phrase used when we are annoyed as well like vulgarism used instinctively it isn't "god bless you" or "Allah will guide you" or smiliar which cleary have religious meaning and have sense in use only by belivers.
But "bless you" was clearly derived from "god bless you." It is religious in origin. But you don't think about it that way, do you? Because it is so ingrained in our culture that most people, even those who are completely atheist, do not think of it as having anything to do with belief in a god. That is my point--Andrastean faith (for humans) in Thedas is a natural part of their life. Every mention of Andraste or the Maker isn't necessarily an expression of deep faith. It is just part of their culture.
3.No if i chose diplomatic option it isn't because i support maker , it isn't because i support mages , templars , mercenaries or chantry it is because i want be nice it shouldn't automatically tell me in what my character belive or not i should chose that and it shouldn't be because im nice or mean to others... It is just poor rp aspect that forces me to play in 3 ways that devs prepared to me. So i can't be nice atheist or mean beliver and same in many other things...
I think you are misunderstanding what I said. Being diplomatic means that you avoid offending people. It doesn't necessarily mean that it is what you genuinely believe. You can interpret the diplomatic option supporting the Maker to mean that Hawke is just saying things to make other people happy, not that she is actually deeply religious.
Er... rape and slavery are clear morality issues that involve the harm of another human. No culture would ever have 100% acceptance of those things, even if they are widespread and legal. We know that there are people in Tevinter who oppose slavery. It would not make sense to force our characters to believe in something that is obviously an issue that has been raised for the purpose of us taking a stance on it.
That's completely different from cultural beliefs. And yes, you are role playing, but you are not playing yourself, a human from Earth in 2014. You are playing a person who was born and raised in Thedas.
But "bless you" was clearly derived from "god bless you." It is religious in origin. But you don't think about it that way, do you? Because it is so ingrained in our culture that most people, even those who are completely atheist, do not think of it as having anything to do with belief in a god. That is my point--Andrastean faith (for humans) in Thedas is a natural part of their life. Every mention of Andraste or the Maker isn't necessarily an expression of deep faith. It is just part of their culture.
I think you are misunderstanding what I said. Being diplomatic means that you avoid offending people. It doesn't necessarily mean that it is what you genuinely believe. You can interpret the diplomatic option supporting the Maker to mean that Hawke is just saying things to make other people happy, not that she is actually deeply religious.
1.And yet tevinter culture accepted that so i guess if porotagonist is tevinter they should accept that and enslave peoples because this is their culture?Same not every person belives in Andraste and Maker i don't see any reason why my protagonist should belive in that as i it should be up to player...
LoL do you know even what you are talking about what disbelief have common with 2014 person disbelief existed exist and will exist and that doesn't have nothing with times...
PC is player avatar and player should decide whether pc belive in something or not... because others belive i should is dumb argument... and i think that you are another person that want force another players to play way that you want...
And yet it isn't god bless you only bless you (already they have other meanings) if you told god bless you it would have religious meaning without it doesn't only politeness . And no peoples who don't belive in god don't say may jesus guide you or may allah guide you.
Doesn't matter being "diplomatic" is only option to be nice in game if they connected that to being religious and having another options they did horrible job in rp as i said being nice should be connected to being nice not to being reigious or not. Simple game shouldn't decide that i belive or not because i take nice responses or mean... i should decide that by saying no i don't belive and yes i belive despite im nice or not i should decide. It would be like pro-templar forced to support slavery in tevinter because they took pro-templars responses...
As i said if should be connected to being nice or not one of my wardens was nice however he didn't belive in maker which pretty much shows how do decent rp aspect... same for companion and characters you could care about them or not it was up to you and thats how it should be done...
1.LoL that shouldn't be in case this is rpg game and protagonist should be player avatar in it so you want tell me that if i play tevinter i should be enforced to spread slavery and praise it?...
It should be up to player about who they care and about they don't like in dao it is like saying that if i want play rapist you should play it one and you don't have choice because i want play one and it fits to the story... No it should be up to player...
2.It isn't even related to religion more courtesy after all you don't tell "may the god protect you from all evil" second is phrase used when we are annoyed as well like vulgarism used instinctively it isn't "god bless you" or "Allah will guide you" or smiliar which cleary have religious meaning and have sense in use only by belivers.
3.No if i chose diplomatic option it isn't because i support maker , it isn't because i support mages , templars , mercenaries or chantry it is because i want be nice it shouldn't automatically tell me in what my character belive or not i should chose that and it shouldn't be because im nice or mean to others... It is just poor rp aspect that forces me to play in 3 ways that devs prepared to me. So i can't be nice atheist or mean beliver and same in many other things...
I don't ever want my protagonist to be a player avatar. I see the appeal but for me its not an absolute or a given and I almost never play my RPG protags that way. I would make a dreadfully dull, boring, incompetent, and slightly lazy protagonist.
I don't ever want my protagonist to be a player avatar. I see the appeal but for me its not an absolute or a given and I almost never play my RPG protags that way. I would make a dreadfully dull, boring, incompetent, and slightly lazy protagonist.
No one forces play you as you however whether you like it or not pc is your avatar as it is you who decide in what they belive or not... so whether you decide belive in maker or not is should be your decision.No one says that protagonist have to be your incarnation ,protagonist should be person created by you (in way that you desire) and his views should be part of it.
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