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[The Sauce of Awesome]

I have a few questions in regards to Qun!Quisitor's interactions with others who are not vashoth. Since a vashoth is a Qunari that was born outside of the Qun, how would Qun!Quisitor be treated by those who were? Would a vashoth be treated like any other bas, or would the Qunari just assume that Qun!Quisitor was in fact tal-vashoth and try to kill him/her on sight? Could Qun!Quisitor, in fact, bluff their way out of a violent situation with the Qunari, by pretending to follow the Qun?

 

And on the flip side, how would s/he be treated by non-Qunari (both of the race and/or who follow the Qun)? Do you think people would assume that Qun!Quisitor follows the Qun? Could there be misunderstandings which might end badly, seeing as you are either a fanatical Qunari heathen or a savage tal-vashoth to the more ignorant of people?

 

Personally, I think that as a vashoth, Qun!Quisitor might actually receive the worst of both worlds when it comes to how others interact with him/her. Maybe, s/he may even get it as bad as, or worse than the Dalish Elf!Quisitor?

 

What are your thoughts?

[In Exile]

To the outside world, you are a qunari. I don't think random Thedas people really keep up to date on the distinctions that the Qun draws. The qunari themselves, I think they wouldn't see you like any other bas, because you're not. You're not part of the Qun because your parents left it. 

[The Sauce of Awesome]

The qunari themselves, I think they wouldn't see you like any other bas, because you're not. You're not part of the Qun because your parents left it. 

That's it, though. To a Qunari, those who are not a part of the Qun are bas, so then is there no distinction between what they see as bas and a vashoth? Or will they just see you and think "Tal-Vashoth! Kill it with fire!" and rush you?

[The Ascendant]

Qunari, both race and religion/philosophy are not fully well known. As most Qunari we encounter in the games are either soldiers or mercenaries we can't fully understand their culture. As both Sten and the Arishok have said it is not their job to tell you how to understand the Qun. But since they are a mostly isolationist people we can't really get a good idea in how we might be treated by our own race. Seeing a Inquisition is focused mostly in Ferelden and Orlais, unless the Qun demands it we won't be seeing any Qunari culturally. The existence of Iron Bull however shows that we won't be the only horn head in the room. As he is the head of a merc company, we might encounter other Tal'Vasoth and they might treat us differently. The other races I am uncertain but it may occur something like this.
Humans; fear, curiosity, politically incorrect insults thrown at us and suspicion.
Elves; curiosity, fear, possibly some racism but otherwise unknown.
Dwarves; curiosity, envy(due to technological advancements) otherwise unknown.

[The Sauce of Awesome]

I think elves might be split between two extremes. Dalish wouldn't like them. And then there's the crazed (city?) elf in DA2 who was pissed her people were becoming converts, and not only lost their culture to humans but now Qunari. Then there's city elves who completely embrace the Qun.

Now there's a thought, would then that mean a Qunari city elf may assume the oxman standing next to them is a fellow Qunari, and if told otherwise then decide to go do the whole "kill it with fire" thing?

[NUM13ER]

Perhaps important Qunari characters might accuse you of having left the Qun, and thus be a Tal-Vashoth, where you can correct them and state you were born outside it. Maybe they'll be less confrontational than assumed and simply just curious about your status.

Though at best you'll be seen as an ignorant bas who should find meaning in the Qun or simply a Tal'Vashoth by default. The former might earn you a degree of derision from your horned kin for not being among your own or the latter assumption may have them attack on sight.

Interactions with the Iron Bull will certainly prove interesting, his being a mercenary and all. Associating with him may provoke negative reactions from Qunari members who would otherwise be less hostile. 

[Altima Darkspells]

I would think Qunari would be able to tell a Vashoth from a Tal'Vashoth.

I would imagine Tal'Vashoth would still move like Qunari, as reflected by a society steeped in discipline. Most Tal'Vashoth we've seen are military too.

So I could see a Qunari being able to tell the difference between a Vashoth and a Tal'Vashoth by movement and demeanor alone. Plus, presumably, a Tal'Vashoth would attack a Qunari on sight.

BioWare has said that the racial choice would be most important in the first part of the game, so presumably, after our Inquisitor because The Inquisitor, it becomes less about them being qunari.

[NUM13ER]

Oh and I think we can all assume a female saarebas has her work cut out not to be attacked on site by any Qunari she meets..

[The Sauce of Awesome]

I would think Qunari would be able to tell a Vashoth from a Tal'Vashoth.

How? What difference is there between the two that a Qunari could tell between them?
 

I would imagine Tal'Vashoth would still move like Qunari, as reflected by a society steeped in discipline. Most Tal'Vashoth we've seen are military too.

So I could see a Qunari being able to tell the difference between a Vashoth and a Tal'Vashoth by movement and demeanor alone. Plus, presumably, a Tal'Vashoth would attack a Qunari on sight.

I always thought most of the Tal-Vashoth we encountered thus far acted more Chaotic Evil than anything else, despite their military background, acting as bandits and mercenaries. Plus, I believe that they generally don't fight against the Qunari as a rule, unless said Qunari are some poor defenseless villagers or some such, since the average band of Tal-Vashoth lack the numbers and organisation to be a match for the antaam. I get the feeling Tal-Vashoth will only fight the antaam if their survival was on the line and they can't run.

[Sifr]

Unless we run across any Arvaraad, who's role is it to actively hunt down Saarebas and Tal-Vashoth, I don't think we have any need to worry, since if we met any other Qunari it would not be their role to do anything to us, regardless of how they might feel about us being an outsider to the Qun.

 

It's a bit bit like Sten being cool with the Mage party members in DAO, despite his firm belief that the Qunari's treatment of mages is correct if you ask him about it in conversations. Since he's a Sten and not an Arvaraad, it's not his job to do anything about Mages, so he's not obliged to do anything.

 

This is why I like the Qunari. "Not my job, not my problem" is pretty much their entire work ethic.

[The Sauce of Awesome]

Oh and I think we can all assume a female saarebas has her work cut out not to be attacked on site by any Qunari she meets..

Wow, I didn't think about that. A vashoth mage could possibly have the the worst of every world when interacting with others.

[In Exile]

That's it, though. To a Qunari, those who are not a part of the Qun are bas, so then is there no distinction between what they see as bas and a vashoth? Or will they just see you and think "Tal-Vashoth! Kill it with fire!" and rush you?

 

I think it's a "sins of your sires" type of situation. For you to exist, your parents had to abandon their role in the Qun. So their attitude toward you would be the same as those who willingly left the Qun. I think it will be quite negative, but not hostile. The Arishok said "we lose nothing when weakness abandons the Qun", so you are more likely to be seen as the product of failure than anything else. More worthy of contempt than hate. IMO 

[The Sauce of Awesome]

There's the merchant in DAA. Isn't he basically Tal Vashoth? Or am I missing something?

 

He doesn't want to hurt anyone. His only concern is profit.. even setting up shop in a darkspawn dungeon. lol

Unless I'm missing someone else, he's the one Tal-Vashoth who wasn't a soldier before leaving the Qun...unless he was, but decided to rob people another way.

[The Sauce of Awesome]

There's also Salit, from MoTA. He's not a soldier, but one of their religious dudes (or something or other. I don't know if they call them priests).

Ben-Hassrath, I think?

[NUM13ER]

Wow, I didn't think about that. A vashoth mage could possibly have the the worst of every world when interacting with others.

Exactly my thinking, a female mage Vashoth would pretty much get suspicion and hate from all sides.

But we can assume above all else she'll be hated the most by those within the Qun. She's a heretic on pretty much every level after all. A female war leader and a saarebas?! They'll be grabbing the pitchforks and torches the second they see you lol.

[Altima Darkspells]

How? What difference is there between the two that a Qunari could tell between them?

By how they move. Val-Vashoth on the mainland would almost certainly have to be deserters from their military caste.

Body-language is very easy to notice if you know what to look for. Since my line of work requires me to watch how people move, I can tell all sorts of interesting things. For example, I can generally tell who's been in the military in the past five years or so. I would imagine qunari, who train together, work as a unit together, could tell the difference between who has been through that same training and who has not.

For example, a Vasthoth trained to be a swordsman would be trained from humans with human technics that would take advantage of human physiology. Comparing the human and qunari physique (look at Iron Bull), and tell me that they'd fight the same way with a sword.

[Altima Darkspells]

There's the merchant in DAA. Isn't he basically Tal Vashoth? Or am I missing something?
 
He doesn't want to hurt anyone. His only concern is profit.. even setting up shop in a darkspawn dungeon. lol

There was also the Tal-Vashoth in DA2 who becomes a mercenary and even warns you about a bunch of other Tal-Vashoth who turned bandit.

All Tal-Vashoth means is a Qunari that has abandoned the Qun. Vashoth is a child of Qunari born outside of the Qun and never educated.

[The Sauce of Awesome]

By how they move. Val-Vashoth on the mainland would almost certainly have to be deserters from their military caste.

Body-language is very easy to notice if you know what to look for. Since my line of work requires me to watch how people move, I can tell all sorts of interesting things. For example, I can generally tell who's been in the military in the past five years or so. I would imagine qunari, who train together, work as a unit together, could tell the difference between who has been through that same training and who has not.

For example, a Vasthoth trained to be a swordsman would be trained from humans with human technics that would take advantage of human physiology. Comparing the human and qunari physique (look at Iron Bull), and tell me that they'd fight the same way with a sword.

This assumes a couple of things:

 

That reading body language is a skill the average Qunari possesses. I see it as being a very useful skill for the ben-hassrath to have, but the rest?

 

That a vashoth would learn swordsmanship only from humans. Why couldn't they learn from their own kind, say from a soldier/mercenary or a tal-vashoth willing to teach? That said, I like to think that any competant swordsman would teach their students to use their own strengths (such as Qunari size and strength) as well as to hone their skills and learn techniques better suited against different kinds of opponents.

 

You make a good argument, but I still can't see a Qunari telling the difference between a vashoth and a tal-vashoth.