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[Eveangaline]

So I've been building up perfect playthroughs for nothing?

Well you can import your playthroughs to the keep to make it a quicker process.

[Tommy6860]

but if I'm playing on an x1 with my saves on a 360???? what does internet have to do with accessing something from my other hard drive that is literally inaccessible for me?

 

unless you're saying you sign on Keep on the 360, add it there and then repeat on the X1??

 

idk unless you've done that in the beta, I doubt it'll be like that

 

I'm think you'd upload your data into The Keep from your 360 saves, then the data goes from there into DA:I. I don't think the platform will matter, but you will have to have internet availability for both of your consoles (not at the same time though). Also, DA:I is coming out on the 360 as well.

[Fiery Phoenix]

but if I'm playing on an x1 with my saves on a 360???? what does internet have to do with accessing something from my other hard drive that is literally inaccessible for me?

 

unless you're saying you sign on Keep on the 360, add it there and then repeat on the X1??

 

idk unless you've done that in the beta, I doubt it'll be like that

As I understand it, the Keep will act like a 'cloud' of sorts, so as to keep your saves online independent of the actual local storage device.

 

So all in all, you have nothing to worry about. But I'd wait until more details are revealed about the process.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

As I understand it, the Keep will act like a 'cloud' of sorts, so as to keep your saves online independent of the actual local storage device.

 

So all in all, you have nothing to worry about. But I'd wait until more details are revealed about the process.

They have said it will be like Cloud, actually. I can't remember where though.

[Fiery Phoenix]

They have said it will be like Cloud, actually. I can't remember where though.

It almost has to considering how many different platforms the game will be released on.

[Tommy6860]

They have said it will be like Cloud, actually. I can't remember where though.

 

If going by the interview with Cameron Lee a few weeks back, saves may not be in the mix anyway. The way he describes The Keep, it is simply a place to make your own starting experience with DA:I through an already set of predetermined choices that you make within The Keep as a save, not that you transfer your save there and then go on into DA:I. But, he is just making an allusion to that kind of functionality. From Ausgamers.com:

 

"AusGamers: At PAX Australia you talked about how you weren't yet talking about importing save games... Have you guys made any progress on that yet?

Cameron: Had we announced the Dragon Age Keep at that point?

AusGamers: Yes.

Cameron: Ok, well, I doubt whether we're going to be able to do direct Save Imports. It's still talked about, so you never know, particularly once we start heading through the finalling process and parts of the team start moving out of the main line of development. That's the part where some of these things can quickly spike up and results can come through.

What we wanted to do with the Keep is have that ability for people to be able to recreate their save -- particularly for Gen 4 platforms -- and that's quite a detailed list. There's hundreds and hundreds of choices in there, and most of it's narrated and there's pictures and text and stuff like that. So they should be able to recreate to the same detail their save file through that Dragon Age Keep online process, and then pull that save game down onto any platform. The thing I love about that is personally, say, I played on PC but I don't want to upgrade my PC so I want to play on Xbox One or PS4, I can still bring my experience across. That was the biggest goal that we wanted to accomplish, and I think the Keep definitely does that. Direct Save Imports... I just don't know. I hope we get there, but right now I'm not too sure. There's so much work still to be done."

[ElitePinecone]

Well you can import your playthroughs to the keep to make it a quicker process.

 

This has never been confirmed, and most dev comments about it make it seem unlikely.

 

I'm seeing a lot of misinformation and inaccurate stuff in this thread.

 

So far, nobody at Bioware has been making positive noises about the possibility of importing saves into the Keep.

 

The most likely scenario at this point is that you'll need to recreate world-states manually.

[ElitePinecone]

I'm think you'd upload your data into The Keep from your 360 saves, then the data goes from there into DA:I. I don't think the platform will matter, but you will have to have internet availability for both of your consoles (not at the same time though). Also, DA:I is coming out on the 360 as well.

 

There are technical and legal issues with uploading saves from the consoles, though. Technical, as in: how are they going to get the save file data from your console onto EA's servers? Would it need some sort of patch for DAO and DA2? Would they need to write a special application on top of the Keep to manage save file uploads? That's all expensive and requires additional testing, and in the end it might not be worth it.

 

The legal issues, as outlined by Fernando Melo a while ago, are that they actually aren't allowed to crack open or modify the contents of save files that are saved to Microsoft or Sony's consoles. The previous games accessed the data right on the same drive, but apparently EA can't do the same if you sent them the data for use in the Keep.

 

Making everyone rebuild the files from scratch in the Keep allows them to guarantee that they're bug-free, too - which can't be said for imports from Origins and DA2. It might be an inconvenience for the super-hardcore people with 20 save games or whatever, but remember half of Origins players never finished it once.

[Maria Caliban]

So I've been building up perfect playthroughs for nothing?

Yep.

[Tommy6860]

Technical, as in: how are they going to get the save file data from your console onto EA's servers? Would it need some sort of patch for DAO and DA2? Would they need to write a special application on top of the Keep to manage save file uploads? That's all expensive and requires additional testing, and in the end it might not be worth it.

 

Transferring the files is easy enough, no different than when you download/upload files on your PC/Tablet/etc, no special patch is needed for a specific game. Ever heard of File Transfer Protocol? Obviously Bioware/EA will be able to transfer data back to one's console from The Keep. Since consoles are connected to the internet, gamers download/upload data regularly on them. The devs know what the numbers relate to when saves are kept and to what elements they are connected with the relevant codes in that game save. If considering whether one has an a connection, that would obviously be a problem no matter the situation. The difficulty of transferring saves and converting that data has already been outlined in my post after the one in which you quoted me. Having said this, yes, Mr Lee made it clear how difficult this would be without elaborating. Anyhow, Mr Lee stated that the team has discussed direct save imports, so obviously it's possible even from a technical aspect..

 

The legal issues, as outlined by Fernando Melo a while ago, are that they actually aren't allowed to crack open or modify the contents of save files that are saved to Microsoft or Sony's consoles. The previous games accessed the data right on the same drive, but apparently EA can't do the same if you sent them the data for use in the Keep.

 

Link?

 

Making everyone rebuild the files from scratch in the Keep allows them to guarantee that they're bug-free, too - which can't be said for imports from Origins and DA2. It might be an inconvenience for the super-hardcore people with 20 save games or whatever, but remember half of Origins players never finished it once.

 

I agree with this, I just want to see how comprehensive this is. If (as it seems it will be the case) they actually defer everything regarding choices being made having to go through The Keep and made into a self made save import, it most certainly relieves BIoware/EA of a difficult task of translating a pre-existing save game file and leaves it to the player somewhat. Reading that one has to browse through what seems to be process of looking at pictures and reading text for every choice  one made in their previous runs through DA:O and DA2, could be tedious, as opposed to just taking the data and converting into an import.

[Iakus]

So I've been building up perfect playthroughs for nothing?

 

Only if you didn't enjoy playing it

[ElitePinecone]

 

Link?

 

This video.

 

He also mentions the difficulty of uploading files to EA from consoles.

 

I don't think it's as easy as you think. Normal file transfers and uploads are possible because that particular game is built to allow that. Clearly, that functionality doesn't exist in DA:O or DA2 at this point.

 

How would someone power up their Xbox 360 and upload a file to EA's server? Which menu would they go to? How would they select the file? How would the game display relevant information about the file so people would know which one to choose?

 

Surely all of those things would require a patch for the existing games, or a module to act as an interface between the save data and players - so players can read and upload relevant files. My point is that this doesn't seem like a trivial amount of work, and for the number of players who would actually use it, it might not even be worth it. 

[JoltDealer]

So I've been building up perfect playthroughs for nothing?

 

Not exactly.  No one can take away your experience and memories of your playthroughs.  I'll admit, it makes the hard work of it all pointless, but that doesn't mean it never happened.  There are technological limitations at play, so there's only so much Bioware can do.  I like to think that something like the Dragon Age Keep is preferable to no save import at all.

[Ricochetmatt]

A choice, my choice? Either way, I've seen no announcement otherwise and in Mark Darrah's blog post late Aug. last year, he made it clear that DA player will be able to import their saves into DA:I. If this changed, I have not heard it. Although this interview with Cameron Lee  la few weeks back with Ausgamers.com makes it seem unlikely to happen, it's not confirmed that transfer won't be part of DA:I. I personally would be saddened by this if it is only The Keep. I did sign up for the beta of The Keep to get a gist of if it will transfer choices I made or if some are left out.

 

I fail to see what the problem is. You act like The Keep will negate everything single "choice" you've made in DA:O and DA:II. I mean, yeah... Some very MINOR choices will be lost - but at the same time would have no effect on Inquisition's plot even through import. Any choice you made in the two games that are of any relevance will be there for you to pick in The Keep. 

 

I honestly hope there ISN'T an import option for DA:I. It's sloppy and unreliable. 

[aTigerslunch]

Id like mine to be detailed as much as possible from DA and DA2 that will be mentioned or relevant in DA:I. If its not going to be mentioned or shown, that's fine then and that wont be necessary if its not referred in DA:I.

[Tielis]

I've been playing through again and keeping detailed notes in case they don't have an import to the Keep option.  What a PITA.  What a letdown from EAWare if they don't have this option.

 

Does anyone know of a program that will read the flags of save games so I don't have to do this?

[EkhidnaDrakaina]

Does anyone know if you have to buy all the DLC to have acess to those choices in The Keep? when I got my copy of DAO it was just the deluxe version that came with Stone Prisoner, Return to Ostsgar and Wardens Keep. I never got Golems, Witch Hunt, Leliana's Song or Darkspawn Chronicles, I also bought my copy of DA2 and it's DLC off Steam- and I don't use Origin. When DA Keep opens up, am I going to have issues/only able to use default options?

[Jawzzus]

You don't have to buy all the DLC, or any of the DLC or the games themselves to have access to the choices