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[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

http://www.rpgcodex....ent.php?id=9453

 

Back in January, esteemed community member felipepepe staged a vote so we could find out what our community's all-time best computer RPGs actually are these days. As a result, we got a hefty list, with graphs and stuff, of 70 titles - or actually a bit more: some games were tied, so you may notice that this Top 70 list features more games than just seventy. Then we asked our users to submit mini-reviews for the games that made it on the list. Around 50 Codexers and one Watch spy took the call, and here's what came out of it.

 

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Interested to see how BSN feels about the list, and of the user reviews. Do you agree/disagree with the rankings and comments made?

[Orian Tabris]

They made Torment #1 did they? Eh, it's an excellent game, but hardly worth number 1 in my opinion.

 

As awesome as Fallout is, Fallout 2 is 10 times better. Should have put them the other way around.

[Susty Randusky]

Terrible list tbh

[Ryzaki]

That list calling BG combat good makes me shudder. I just finished playing BG and BG2 and god the combat. Just *shivers* I'm at least not on the lvl of Ctrl+Ying everything anymore and giving myself the XP later but ugh. UGH. I'd take DA2's combat over BG's anyday.

[Abraham_uk]

Not a single JRPG on that list.

Not one.

 

JRPG's do count as RPG's?

 

I'd argue that FF VI and FFVII are every bit as good as the ones that made it.

No Chrono Trigger either.

[Andraste_Reborn]

Er, it's a list of PC RPGs. While there are indeed many wonderful JRPGs, they're mostly console games. (Barring the odd port.)

[Liamv2]

The list it pretty much what I expected suffers from nostalgia in many cases.

[Aolbain]

The list it pretty much what I expected suffers from nostalgia in many cases.

Nostalgia? The codex is two parts nostalgia and one part militant bitterness.

[Susty Randusky]

Nostalgia? The codex is two parts nostalgia and one part militant bitterness.

And another part rampant racism

[Aolbain]

And another part rampant racism

Wow, really? Well, at least that means I have all the more reason to stay away.

[In Exile]

I find it hilarious they ranked Planescape so high when it's basically the text version of everything RPG Codex hates in a modern video-game. 

 

Edit: VtM:B is another funny choice, because again, a lot of things in terms of the actual gameplay that the Codex would normally hate. 

[Ryzaki]

Terrible list is terrible.

 

 

 

It's just D&D...

 

D&D is terrible then. I have never played a game who's combat system I hated more. Seriously.

 

And at least KOTOR didn't have instant death bullshit. And time stop. Just...*throws hands up*

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

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[Liamv2]

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[Dominus]

Think they released two shorter Top RPGs(one for console, one for PC), and the list hasn't changed too much. Not sure if I'd put Alpha Protocol has one of my top RPGs, though. It had great C&C, the real-time conversational mechanic was very unique, but the combat was a bit of a put-off. You could argue the same for some on that list, but I had a harder time getting into it.

 

Divine Divinity was a nice game and all, but similar to Arcanum, the combat's all over the place. The Ultra-Fast Killer Exploding Bug things were when I eventually uninstalled that one.

 

Outside of those, it's a solid list.

[TheChris92]

KOTOR 2 needs to be higher on that list, I do agree with their verdict though, somehwat -- "Overall, KOTOR2 is the definition of a flawed gem. You might not actually enjoy playing it as much as KOTOR 1, but you'll eviscerate anyone who dares to claim that the first one is a better game." The only real flaw I had with it was the fact that it was cheated out of good content, eventually restored (most of it) in a patch making the game much better than BioWare's first title. I do like seeing Masquerade high on it. Very nice.

Alpha Protocol, well I wouldn't call it their best game, that goes to KOTOR 2 followed slightly by New Vegas & AP, then South Park. Alpha Protocol needs to get props from being an ambitious IP from Obsidian, very original, and actually managed to pull off an engaging spy-story with some cool RPG elements and intriguing written characters. Dat Steven Heck.

[Milan92]

Kotor 2 has beter writing, but I personally enjoy Kotor 1 over Kotor 2.

[Ryzaki]

Kotor 2 has beter writing, but I personally enjoy Kotor 1 over Kotor 2.

 

Yep same. I got pretty damn tired of Kreia by the middle of KOTOR 2. And by god I hated Malacor 5. Felt like a drag.

[TheChris92]

I got tired of most of KOTOR 1's cast by the time of Dantooine. Thank god for Jolee Bindo.

[Ryzaki]

I got tired of most of KOTOR 1's cast by the time of Dantooine. Thank god for Jolee Bindo.

 

XD fair enough.

 

I usually end up sticking with Canderous and HK. Kill everything as badass evil fem Revan? Hellz yes.

 

I could at least ignore Bastila's whining. Kreia freaking mindjacked me to complain.

[Captain Crash]

If they just listed 70 RPGs there wouldn't be much of a problem  (well with the noted exception of JRPGS)

 

Its when they rank them things go nuts...  Oh wait that always happens. Plus wheres the fun if you don't rank them?

[TheChris92]

The lack of JRPGs is a shame. I don't mind this list since it actually put most of my favorite games on it at least and I don't believe a complex opinion can be summed up nummerically. The ranking isn't as important as much as their actual verdict. So I'm okay with it. Got my own list to make on Giantbomb anyway

 

 

XD fair enough.

 

I usually end up sticking with Canderous and HK. Kill everything as badass evil fem Revan? Hellz yes.

 

I could at least ignore Bastila's whining. Kreia freaking mindjacked me to complain.

I was never evil in the game mostly because it made absolutely no sense to me being evil -- it's not the sort of conventional or riskier route that would appeal to weak-willed characters, it's just irrational cartoon villainy, because the moral choice system is bull. But I did love Canderous & HK (though I preferred the droids characterization written by Avellone in KOTOR 2). Kreia talks a lot but I never get tired of what she's talking about given that everything she says serves the plot, the growth of the Exile, and even the occasional backstory on the lore at Korriban. But that's how I view it anyway. 

[Ryzaki]

The lack of JRPGs is a shame. I don't mind this list since it actually put most of my favorite games on it at least and I don't believe a complex opinion can be summed up nummerically. The ranking isn't as important as much as their actual verdict. So I'm okay with it. Got my own list to make on Giantbomb anyway

 

 

I was never evil in the game mostly because it made absolutely no sense to me being evil -- it's not the sort of conventional or riskier route that would appeal to weak-willed characters, it's just irrational cartoon villainy, because the moral choice system is bull. But I did love Canderous & HK (though I preferred the droids characterization written by Avellone in KOTOR 2). Kreia talks a lot but I never get tired of what she's talking about given that everything she says serves the plot, the growth of the Exile, and even the occasional backstory on the lore at Korriban. But that's how I view it anyway. 

 

See I like cartoony evil in some games because yeah sometimes I just want to have a MUWAHAHAHA character that just doesn't give a damn it's entertaining. HK's pretty good in either game though I'm more fond of him in KOTOR 1. I did play it first after all. I got tired of Kreia quick yes she's a great plot device but honestly I could only stand her on neutral characters though I did love touching the graves after she said to leave it alone. To each their own.

[TheChris92]

See I like cartoony evil in some games because yeah sometimes I just want to have a MUWAHAHAHA character that just doesn't give a damn it's entertaining. HK's pretty good in either game though I'm more fond of him in KOTOR 1. I did play it first after all. I got tired of Kreia quick yes she's a great plot device but honestly I could only stand her on neutral characters though I did love touching the graves after she said to leave it alone. To each their own.

Gonna go a bit off-topic here

My opinion of moral choice stems back from games like inFamous, BioShock etc. where the "evil" option is usually so cartoonishly villainous you'd have to be Jeffrey Dahmer, but even he wouldn't have called himself evil. The problem doesn't lie in as much about the villains being pure evil, as it does with how they are characterized or how utterly devoted they are to their own plans, being in control. A villain doesn't need to be sympathetic, or carry some sort of emotional weight to their schemes, they just need to be engaging. Hence why I like a character like say.. Adachi from Persona 4 and dislike a character like Trevor Phillips, and it's not necessarily because the latter is a psychotic (I love Brick Top from Snatch) it's because his actions make no sense at all, and it makes him become a really unlikable character.

Every GTA  & Saints Row game has you play as a complete sociopath-tic a-hole, but the difference being the former demonizes organized crime, and the latter romanticizes it. Despite spending most of the games mowing down people with an ice cream truck, the protagonists, are usually always in control of their actions, they have in their closest allies, they are conventional (Well, the Saints Row protagonist notwithstanding) but they have an overall strong motivation and carries great devotion to it. They do what they do because they want money, so they move up in life, because they believe money is the answer to absolute freedom, and the part about being someone.. Whereas a character like Trevor does what he does because... well, I don't know why he does it at all. The sort of renegade "risky" non goody two-shoes karma path I can get behind.

 

Going back to KOTOR 1 quick -- Had Malak's characterization not been based of the Guide to Generic Villains, then he might have become a credible antagonist. Blowing random **** up is not how you take over a galaxy, Malak ol' boy.

 

In retrospect -- I liked the list and it's made think on going back to work on my own list