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[Jedimaster88]

Many people seem to hate Eamon for calling the landsmeet and putting Alistair as a candidate for the throne. Yes I agree that I dont like it much either. Alistair is a good friend and like a brother to my warden and I feel uncomfortable that Alistair is put to this position against his will even though I almost always choose him as a king when hardened and often marry him to Anora.

 

But was there any other way to deal with Loghain? As Eamon tells us, we could wage total war against him but that would cost many lifes from both sides and would make Ferelden too weak to deal with the darkspawn and simply killing Loghain would put us in a very suspicious position.

We know what Loghain has done but we dont have any clear solid evidence before the landsmeet so very few if anyone would believe us. This landsmeet thing seems to be the only way because as Eamons says, it would be something that Loghain cannot afford to ignore and would prevent further bloodshead.

 

Can you think of any other way that wouldnt require much bloodshead or suspicious acts that could be used against you?

 

 

 

[sylvanaerie]

The Landsmeet is essentially a trial, bringing him to justice for his crimes.  Near as I can figure out, it was the only way (outside of besieging Gwaren---something we lacked the manpower to do) we were going to deal with him, and since he was actively fighting the warden's efforts to deal with the Blight, (assassination, slander campaign and bounty hunters throughout the game), the warden couldn't just leave him running amok.

 

I have taken all the different threads for the dialogue and none of them was feasible. 

 

And for the life of me, at this hour of the morning, not sure I can think of anything that would have worked.  Just killing him would have doubtless left Howe at the wheel.  How much more horrid would that have been.  And Loghain's not someone who could have been reasoned with till AFTER you kick the stuffing out of him at the Landsmeet.  His daughter tried, if he won't listen to her, he won't listen to 'an Orlesian spy'.  Because, as everyone knows, all Wardens are Orlesians, even if they are born, bred and never even left Ferelden or Orzammar in their lives.

[Corker]

Sufficiently subtle blood magic ought to do the trick, the way everyone carries on about how it can be used to influence the minds of the powerful.

Make a deal with Caladrius. Loghain has dealt with him and his mages before and considers him a (distasteful) ally. Get him to go to the palace on some pretext and mind-control the regent. Stage a mock meeting between Loghain, Anora and the Warden. (Do not tell Anora that you are doing this. In fact, let Anora think her kidnapping is the thing that is letting her father finally realize things have gone terribly wrong. Now the queen will testify that the meeting and the truce were legitimate. If she figures things out, blood mage!Warden or Morrigan mind controls her, too.) Announce that a truce has been called, until the darkspawn are defeated. Get Loghain killed in the next armed encounter.

If Eamon squawks (because he wanted the Landsmeet for his own reasons), mind control him, too.

Spoilers for DA2 DLC:

Spoiler

Lady Harriman needed demonic assistance to achieve this level of control of her household, so mage!Warden might need to go back to Mouse or Connor's demon and strike a deal there, too.

It'll all come crashing down eventually, but with any luck, it'd be after the Blight was over.

[Corker]

I'LL SHOW YOU WHY MAGES SHOULD BE FEARED!

[Pirate Queen Isabela]

Many people seem to hate Eamon for calling the landsmeet and putting Alistair as a candidate for the throne. Yes I agree that I dont like it much either. Alistair is a good friend and like a brother to my warden and I feel uncomfortable that Alistair is put to this position against his will even though I almost always choose him as a king when hardened and often marry him to Anora.

 

But was there any other way to deal with Loghain? As Eamon tells us, we could wage total war against him but that would cost many lifes from both sides and would make Ferelden too weak to deal with the darkspawn and simply killing Loghain would put us in a very suspicious position.

We know what Loghain has done but we dont have any clear solid evidence before the landsmeet so very few if anyone would believe us. This landsmeet thing seems to be the only way because as Eamons says, it would be something that Loghain cannot afford to ignore and would prevent further bloodshead.

 

Can you think of any other way that wouldnt require much bloodshead or suspicious acts that could be used against you?

 

Exile while people sing "Not one of us" from the Lion King 2 is top on my list.

[Mike3207]

He refused to step down as Regent, you do have to fight him to get him to surrender. Now after he surrenders, you do have some other options. He could have been imprisoned, you could have sent him back to Gwaren under guard, or exiled him. There were plenty of options besides making him a Warden or killing him.

[Xetykins]

Send his assassin back to him and give him Antivan massage to chill him out a bit.

[thats1evildude]

There was no alternative. Eamon mentioned surrendering to Loghain, but that wouldn't have worked either; Loghain was not willing to work with the Wardens and the Archdemon could not be slain without them.

[gottaloveme]

There is evidence to show his treachery but all of it in the hands of suspect people.

 

Berwick's letter in the hands of an elf

anecdotal evidence from Isolde - the wife of a man seen as an enemy

anecdotal evidence from Jowan - an apostate blood mage

anecdotal evidence from Cousland - grey warden and foreign agent(?)

documents from Caladrius - tevinter slaver

 

all of whom Loghain has answers for, and if it isn't against Loghain then it's Howe.

 

If you harden Alistair then he takes to the kingship with diligence if not unbridled joy. Eamon, I don't know, my Cousland girl would probably have a few choice things to say to him no matter how much Alistair would protest. He kept Alistair dangling against just such an eventuality. I feel he would have been quite fond of Alistair but still treated him badly.

 

This is all really off the topic but my head is not where it should be. My biggest hate is Anora. Her mind is as sick as Howe's, playing everyone off against each other. This time when I reach the landsmeet she's getting executed.