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[The Ascendant]

I am aware that many in the community are disheartened to learn that we can't play as a City Elf Inquisitor, especially considering the popularity of the City Elf Origin from Origins. But one question I would like to know is why? Why make the Elf Inquisitor a Dalish? Based on screenshots it is undeniable that we will be exploring the Dales, now located on the border between Oralis and Ferelden, separated by the Frostback Mountains. It is times like these I recall The Witch Hunt DLC. The artefacts known as the lights of Arlathan could only be revealed by the blood of Arianne, a Dalish Elf (The Warden could not do so due to the Darkspawn Taint), perhaps we will encounter a similar racially exclusive options for a Dalish Inquisitor. Considering the only major defect/power in our Inquisitor is the shard of the Fade imbued in our hand I see no reason why any artefacts we discover in the Dales would not respond to us. Of course this is only conjecture and I apologise to anyone who has started a similar topic. 

P.S. Anyone else think of any other racially exclusive encounters? Dwarf Inquisitor dealing with the King of Orzammar? Human Inquisitor dealing with nobles/Chantry/royalty? Qunari Inquisitor dealing with Tal'Vasoth any possible other Qunari.? e.t.c. Your thoughts and comments are appreciated.

[Fiery Knight]

But one question I would like to know is why? Why make the Elf Inquisitor a Dalish?

 

B/c the writers chose to do so with their own reasons.

[EmperorSahlertz]

I don't think there will be much (if any) racially exclusive content. I think there will be racially exclusive solutions to situations. For instance a QUnari having an easier time intimidating a person, but a harder time blending in at a ball, that sort of thing.

[Sifr]

I figure that the Dalish is the perfect choice for the Elf Inquisitor since we'll be travelling through Orlais, which is currently going through a major Elven Uprising, a Civil War and is the location of the Dales, their lost second homeland. This gives the Dalish quite a few story opportunities as they are both an Elf in a land where Elves are currently fighting for their freedom and a Dalish who knows precisely what fighting for freedom means. A Dalish Inquisitor may possibly be able to aid the Elves of Orlais in reclaiming the Dales once more?

 

A City Elf Inquisitor simply has less potential for good story telling, since they'd know nothing or care little about any of the significance of Elven history within Orlais, aside from their being largely indentured servants or serfs. Their lack of knowledge would make them little different than if we played as a Human, Dwarf or Qunari Inquisitor, so there's not particularly any reason to bother including them?

 

Spoiler for TME:

 

Spoiler

The reactivation of the Eluvian network across Thedas in TME is also tied heavily to the Dalish and the Elves of Ancient Arlathan, a plot point that will probably feature major in Inquisition. A City Elf, by virtue of not knowing much about their heritage, would largely be lost on the importance of this, unlike a Dalish Inquisitor who is more aware of the lore and history of their people.

[ladyoflate]

I figure that the Dalish is the perfect choice for the Elf Inquisitor since we'll be travelling through Orlais, which is currently going through a major Elven Uprising, a Civil War and is the location of the Dales, their lost second homeland. This gives the Dalish quite a few story opportunities as they are both an Elf in a land where Elves are currently fighting for their freedom and a Dalish who knows precisely what fighting for freedom means. A Dalish Inquisitor may possibly be able to aid the Elves of Orlais in reclaiming the Dales once more?

 

A City Elf Inquisitor simply has less potential for good story telling, since they'd know nothing or care little about any of the significance of Elven history within Orlais, aside from their being largely indentured servants or serfs. Their lack of knowledge would make them little different than if we played as a Human, Dwarf or Qunari Inquisitor, so there's not particularly any reason to bother including them?

 

Spoiler for TME:

 

Spoiler

The reactivation of the Eluvian network across Thedas in TME is also tied heavily to the Dalish and the Elves of Ancient Arlathan, a plot point that will probably feature major in Inquisition. A City Elf, by virtue of not knowing much about their heritage, would largely be lost on the importance of this, unlike a Dalish Inquisitor who is more aware of the lore and history of their people.

 

I'd argue that the exact opposite is true. Briala goes hard only for the City Elves, and one the reasons she does so is because the Dalish don't care. A City Elf has so much more reason to care about what's going on in Orlais because they can't just leave like a Dalish.

 

I think that may be why they chose for the Inquisitor to be Dalish, actually. A City Elf Inquisitor would be too tangled up in the current plot, so it would be more difficult to have realistic race-neutral plotlines for them, and you can't have a separate game entirely for just one option.

[In Exile]

I figure that the Dalish is the perfect choice for the Elf Inquisitor since we'll be travelling through Orlais, which is currently going through a major Elven Uprising, a Civil War and is the location of the Dales, their lost second homeland. This gives the Dalish quite a few story opportunities as they are both an Elf in a land where Elves are currently fighting for their freedom and a Dalish who knows precisely what fighting for freedom means. A Dalish Inquisitor may possibly be able to aid the Elves of Orlais in reclaiming the Dales once more?

 

A City Elf Inquisitor simply has less potential for good story telling, since they'd know nothing or care little about any of the significance of Elven history within Orlais, aside from their being largely indentured servants or serfs. Their lack of knowledge would make them little different than if we played as a Human, Dwarf or Qunari Inquisitor, so there's not particularly any reason to bother including them?

 

I disagree completely. The Dalish are entitled,, and haven't suffered anywhere near on the scale of of the CEs. There's a major elven uprising, but it's not the Dalish that are doing anything about it. It's the CEs who are fighting to escape from their oppression. It's the CEs whose home is actually the Dales, who lived there all their lives, rather than the Dalish who wander all across Ferelden and have romanticized their land as there.

 

The Dalish certainly have more access to the elven past, but to say that the Dalish have more connection to the elven uprising when (a) It's a CE uprising and ( they are not the group of elves that's exploited and abused by humans is just plain wrong. 

 

The end result - the Dalish Inquisitor helping to eradicate CE culture by conquering the Dales and forcibly converting all CEs, it's pretty much as bleak and ending as Orlais crushing the rebellion. Either way, the CEs just get a new master that looks down at them as serfs. See the bolded language in your own post. 

[Piwi Imytholian]

Excuse me, but how are the dalish guilty for not wanting to simply submit? That's just silly, they just don't want to give up their way of life, their culture and their faith to live as second class citizens. Even so, all current day elves are rightful "dalish" in the sense that all of them descend from those who settled at the Dales, even if none still lives there (I highly doubt there's any elves of any kind living in the Dales, Orlais would probably stand against that for very obvious reasons, orlesian city elves simply happen to live sightly closer)..

[In Exile]

Excuse me, but how are the dalish guilty for not wanting to simply submit? That's just silly, they just don't want to give up their way of life, their culture and their faith to live as second class citizens. Even so, all current day elves are rightful "dalish" in the sense that all of them descend from those who settled at the Dales, even if none still lives there (I highly doubt there's any elves of any kind living in the Dales, Orlais would probably stand against that for very obvious reasons, orlesian city elves simply happen to live sightly closer)..

 

The current Dalish didn't refuse to submit. They had the good fortune of being born free. The current CEs didn't line up holding giant signs that said "Please, enslave me!" - they had the misfortune of being born in poverty in a racist human empire. The only connection the Dalish have to the Dales is that, 700 years ago, they lived there. Just like the CEs. They have the exact same connection, except that the Dalish have build a nomadic way of life that half venerates the Dales and half venerates Arlathan. 

 

We know from the novel that not only do CEs live in the Dales, but in fact the CEs are the majority of the population there. 

 

And it's funny you talk about people giving up their culture and faith to live as second class citizens - because that's the Dalish endgame for every CE: to abandon everything about themselves, including their autonomy to decide their own future, and decide to define their lives the way the Dalish say they should define their lives. That's trading one master for another more benevolent one. We already know from Lanaya the prejudice she had to endure to become First, and she was lucky, because she had ability. What about all those CEs that aren't magical prodigies? 

[Jedi Master of Orion]

People always seem to say Orlais is going through a city elf rebellion but I'm pretty sure it isn't. Celene crushed it with ease.

 

Anyway, I think Bioware chose the Dalish because they will have a much stronger ties to their past and exploring ancient ruins will be more meaningful. City Elves do place some value on remember history but much less so. Most city elves don't take their lost tales of glory that seriously. The rebellion in Halamshiral was more about recent treatment than reclaiming the Dales for City Elf nationalism.

 

Plus, although the Dalish society today is basically a mixture of human and elvhen ways, they are still more distinct from a human Inquisitor's culture than a City Elf would be. So it gives the racial choices in this case more variety.

 

And although this is speculation because we don't know how it will play out, a Dalish Inquisitor may be able to be a more appropriate representation of their clans. Dalish culture is based on defiance of human rule. City Elf culture is based on submission to it. A powerful and influential city elf leader would always be a an extremely atypical example of the mostly helpless people in the alienages. Also the Dalish have their own mages. A city elf mage would just be a Circle Mage, more like a human mage's background than something more unique to city elves.

[Sifr]

The current Dalish didn't refuse to submit. They had the good fortune of being born free. The current CEs didn't line up holding giant signs that said "Please, enslave me!" - they had the misfortune of being born in poverty in a racist human empire. The only connection the Dalish have to the Dales is that, 700 years ago, they lived there. Just like the CEs. They have the exact same connection, except that the Dalish have build a nomadic way of life that half venerates the Dales and half venerates Arlathan. 

 

We know from the novel that not only do CEs live in the Dales, but in fact the CEs are the majority of the population there. 

 

And it's funny you talk about people giving up their culture and faith to live as second class citizens - because that's the Dalish endgame for every CE: to abandon everything about themselves, including their autonomy to decide their own future, and decide to define their lives the way the Dalish say they should define their lives. That's trading one master for another more benevolent one. We already know from Lanaya the prejudice she had to endure to become First, and she was lucky, because she had ability. What about all those CEs that aren't magical prodigies? 

 

While I concede that the City Elves have more connection to the Uprising (I've not gotten around to read TME, just read the cliffnotes), I disagree with the Dalish endgame being to convert the City Elves to their ways.

 

Some Dalish like Paivel say that they simply want to teach their ways to those who had forgotten them and learn from the City Elves the ways of the Humans, so that both cultures can learn to learn to live in peace. While the Dalish don't believe in the Maker, they do respect Andraste for her role in securing her freedom, a fact that is hardly reciprocated by the Chantry, who in addition to launching the Exalted March on the Dales, removed all traces of Shartan and elven involvement in the first Exalted March against Tevinter, stripped his canticle from the Chant of Light and his sole depiction had his pointed ears docked to make him look less elven.

 

As for the City Elves who join the Dalish, Lanaya only says that it was hard for her to become the First and that she embraced the ways of the Dalish, but she never says that she abandoned her old culture completely and is eager to hear news from the outside world.

 

As for Pol, while he he does falter in DA2 and amend "By Andras- er, the Creators", it's likely that he simply does so out of wishing to fit in and respect the culture of the Dalish who took him in, but probably has become polytheistic and still worships both. The Dalish are by their very nature polytheistic, after all.

 

_{(Incidentally, we see a similar thing with Varric, who unlike the rest of his family was not born in Orzammar, but on the surface. Throughout DA2 we hear him displaying polytheistic traits, alternating between invoking Andraste and the Maker's name, as well as that of the Ancestors venerated by the Dwarves)}

 

Although, it's just as true that this acceptance of City Elves culture might depend on clan by clan, with some being accepting and wishing to learn and some more militant Dalish who desire to stamp out the Shemlen ways. Of course, I can't imagine the latter group even wanting to bring the "Flat ears" back into the fold?

[dragondreamer]

 

Although, it's just as true that this acceptance of City Elves culture might depend on clan by clan, with some being accepting and wishing to learn and some more militant Dalish who desire to stamp out the Shemlen ways. Of course, I can't imagine the latter group even wanting to bring the "Flat ears" back into the fold?

 

This.  Especially after TME, I can't see the most xenophobic clans wanting to settle the Dales.  Any Dalish clans that step up to join the rebellion are more likely to be more flexible in their beliefs.  And TME seemed to hint at a significance to the elven Inquisitor being Dalish:

 

Spoiler

"I had something you wanted."  Briala kept smiling.  "And your people are my people, even if they've forgotten it.  I will work with the Dalish, but only if they help all our people.  Pass that on to the next clan you meet."

 

[Former_Fiend]

I don't mind the exclusive dalish thing. While the city elf origin was arguably the best in DAO, I also felt it was the least plausible. For dalish, makes more sense they'd be capable fighters right off the bat.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Dalish elves have a wide variety of views on City Elves.

 

Thelhen: The poor creatures you think of as elves in the alienages but are poor cousins, lost to us forever.

 

Velanna: Why should I respect them if they do not even respect themselves?

 

Paivel: And they will teach us to understand the shemlen at last. It is the only way we will achieve peace.

[In Exile]

People always seem to say Orlais is going through a city elf rebellion but I'm pretty sure it isn't. Celene crushed it with ease.

 

Anyway, I think Bioware chose the Dalish because they will have a much stronger ties to their past and exploring ancient ruins will be more meaningful. City Elves do place some value on remember history but much less so. Most city elves don't take their lost tales of glory that seriously. The rebellion in Halamshiral was more about recent treatment than reclaiming the Dales for City Elf nationalism.

 

Plus, although the Dalish society today is basically a mixture of human and elvhen ways, they are still more distinct from a human Inquisitor's culture than a City Elf would be. So it gives the racial choices in this case more variety.

 

And although this is speculation because we don't know how it will play out, a Dalish Inquisitor may be able to be a more appropriate representation of their clans. Dalish culture is based on defiance of human rule. City Elf culture is based on submission to it. A powerful and influential city elf leader would always be a an extremely atypical example of the mostly helpless people in the alienages. Also the Dalish have their own mages. A city elf mage would just be a Circle Mage, more like a human mage's background than something more unique to city elves.

 

This idea of "stronger ties" is nonsense. 3/4 protagonists will have 0 ties. Do you somehow think that CEs don't have ties to their past as an elven people? The CEs we've seen in DA:O don't know very much about their history, but to say that the Dalish care more or have stronger ties because they've built their racist fantasy about a racially pure utopia is wrong. 

 

The CEs, right now, are the elves actually being abused. They're the ones that suffer. The ones that live in poverty. The ones that are being raped at the whims of powerful human nobles. 

 

Dalish culture is not based on defiance of human rule. They fetichize what they do as defying humans, but they defy them about as much as the CEs do. The only acts of defiance we've ever seen in-game is the murder of a few unarmed peasants and Zathrian's blood curse. We have stories about the Dalish raiding and butchering human caravans, but to say that this is somehow "standing up" to human rule is pretty silly. Their attempts aren't even at the level of "annoying insurrection". 

 

A powerful and influential CE would actually be fighting real oppression. The Dalish don't live in the same opulence that wealthy humans live in, but to suggest that they have it rough compared to the CEs is an insult to what people undergo when they're stripped of power by a racist and uncaring society. 

 

While I concede that the City Elves have more connection to the Uprising (I've not gotten around to read TME, just read the cliffnotes), I disagree with the Dalish endgame being to convert the City Elves to their ways.

 

Some Dalish like Paivel say that they simply want to teach their ways to those who had forgotten them and learn from the City Elves the ways of the Humans, so that both cultures can learn to learn to live in peace. While the Dalish don't believe in the Maker, they do respect Andraste for her role in securing her freedom, a fact that is hardly reciprocated by the Chantry, who in addition to launching the Exalted March on the Dales, removed all traces of Shartan and elven involvement in the first Exalted March against Tevinter, stripped his canticle from the Chant of Light and his sole depiction had his pointed ears docked to make him look less elven.

 

As for the City Elves who join the Dalish, Lanaya only says that it was hard for her to become the First and that she embraced the ways of the Dalish, but she never says that she abandoned her old culture completely and is eager to hear news from the outside world.

 

As for Pol, while he he does falter in DA2 and amend "By Andras- er, the Creators", it's likely that he simply does so out of wishing to fit in and respect the culture of the Dalish who took him in, but probably has become polytheistic and still worships both. The Dalish are by their very nature polytheistic, after all.

 

_{(Incidentally, we see a similar thing with Varric, who unlike the rest of his family was not born in Orzammar, but on the surface. Throughout DA2 we hear him displaying polytheistic traits, alternating between invoking Andraste and the Maker's name, as well as that of the Ancestors venerated by the Dwarves)}

 

Although, it's just as true that this acceptance of City Elves culture might depend on clan by clan, with some being accepting and wishing to learn and some more militant Dalish who desire to stamp out the Shemlen ways. Of course, I can't imagine the latter group even wanting to bring the "Flat ears" back into the fold?

 

Let's do this step by step (I'm just talking about the parts I disagree with; not the parts I agree with you on):

 

1) We have Dalish lore that talks about how the CEs are "naturally" servile because they're the descendants of servants. We have one character who talks about co-existence with humans (Paivel), who seems to express quite the unique opinion since co-existence isn't the formal menu option for the Dalish. 

 

2) Lanaya talks at length how she was discriminated against by the other candidates for First because (i) she wasn't descendant from the proper blue Dalish blood like the other candidates and (ii) that she was fortunate that she was chosen based on her merit. When I used her as an example, I'm not using her as someone who unwillingly gave up her culture. I'm using her as an example of a victim of bullying and abuse by other Dalish just because she happened to be a CE who wanted to rise above her station. 

 

3) I didn't mention Pol, but him catching himself is a pretty big sign that he's faking it. Do you honestly think he'd be allowed standing in the Dalish if he refused to worship their gods, or refused to tattoo his face? They'd tell him to go back to the city if the doesn't want to be Dalish. 

[dragondreamer]

Anyone else remember that humans raped Zathrian's daughter and murdered his son?  Or the templars that tortured a Dalish child hunter in DA2?  Or that a City Elf gassed her own alienage because City Elves were converting to the Qun?

 

Or does that not fit into the narrative of the wonderful City Elves who do no wrong and perfect Dalish who live above it all? 

 

The Dalish have their faults, as do the City Elves.  And they both have it rough in different ways.  

[Sifr]

This idea of "stronger ties" is nonsense. 3/4 protagonists will have 0 ties. Do you somehow think that CEs don't have ties to their past as an elven people? The CEs we've seen in DA:O don't know very much about their history, but to say that the Dalish care more or have stronger ties because they've built their racist fantasy about a racially pure utopia is wrong. 

 

The CEs, right now, are the elves actually being abused. They're the ones that suffer. The ones that live in poverty. The ones that are being raped at the whims of powerful human nobles. 

 

Dalish culture is not based on defiance of human rule. They fetichize what they do as defying humans, but they defy them about as much as the CEs do. The only acts of defiance we've ever seen in-game is the murder of a few unarmed peasants and Zathrian's blood curse. We have stories about the Dalish raiding and butchering human caravans, but to say that this is somehow "standing up" to human rule is pretty silly. Their attempts aren't even at the level of "annoying insurrection". 

 

A powerful and influential CE would actually be fighting real oppression. The Dalish don't live in the same opulence that wealthy humans live in, but to suggest that they have it rough compared to the CEs is an insult to what people undergo when they're stripped of power by a racist and uncaring society.

 

But we're not disagreeing that the City Elves are being abused, which they are being, horrifically as shown by the CE Origin, the Alienage Purge and the Tevinters being allowed to sell them into slavery in Origins, as well as the events of TME.

 

But to say that the Dalish don't have it rough isn't true, as they are constantly forced to be on the move and never able to put down roots, lest they see their people wiped out. In the Dalish Origin, even if you let the three humans go, they still raise the entire village against them and force Marethari's clan to quickly up sticks and leave. They are left with only the fragments of a culture and unable to build a new one, until they have a home once again. It's not the same level of persecution and suffering as the City Elves, I know, but still yet another form of subjugation at the hands of the humans of Thedas.

 

As for the stories of the Dalish raiding, they are at the moment, simply stories that we've not witnessed first hand. While there are militant Dalish to be sure, and some who would probably do raid human and elven caravans, all we have to go on is; Genetivi's codex, but he's an unreliable source since he doesn't even know that they were Dalish until he was told later, Zathrian descending upon Lanaya's abductors, but he did it more because he hates humans for his own reasons, and Velanna, who was tricked into believing humans had abducted her sister, did so against the wishes of her clan and was kicked out over it.

 

I agree that the Dalish have an overly high opinion of themselves at times, but I don't think they believe in a racially pure utopia. Their value on Blue Blood is no different than any other culture in Thedas (barring the Qunari), as well as those individuals descending form the old families being the ones who typically show a strong affinity for magic.

 

The Dalish Warden does not receive any special treatment from the rest of their clan, despite being the child of the previous Keeper and thus likely having some ancient royal elven blood themselves.

 

As for Pol, I doubt they were hanging that sword over his head. He was with them for 4 years before his death at the hands of the Vanterral, so it's not like they demanded he immediately get tattooed and forsake his old beliefs, or risk being kicked out. Same with Feynriel who was with them for 3 years and despite getting some distrust from the others due to being an elf-blooded human, he was accepted with relatively open arms and the clan were even willing to fight the Templars to prevent them taking him.

 

Of course, this is Marethari's clan, who seem to be more enlightened and accepting than most.

[In Exile]

Anyone else remember that humans raped Zathrian's daughter and murdered his son?  Or the templars that tortured a Dalish child hunter in DA2?  Or that a City Elf gassed her own alienage because City Elves were converting to the Qun?

 

Or does that not fit into the narrative of the wonderful City Elves who do no wrong and perfect Dalish who live above it all? 

 

The Dalish have their faults, as do the City Elves.  And they both have it rough in different ways.  

 

Whatever spirits of the ether you're arguing with, they're not posting in this thread. Arguing that the Dalish are not paragons of virtue does not mean elevating the CEs. All I've said is that the CEs are far more the victims in the setting than the Dalish are, and otherwise reject the "closer connections to the past" reason for having a Dalish Inquisitor. 

[Jedi Master of Orion]

This idea of "stronger ties" is nonsense. 3/4 protagonists will have 0 ties. Do you somehow think that CEs don't have ties to their past as an elven people? The CEs we've seen in DA:O don't know very much about their history, but to say that the Dalish care more or have stronger ties because they've built their racist fantasy about a racially pure utopia is wrong.

 

No, remembering their history is objectively more important in Dalish Culture than in City Elf culture. That is what makes them have stronger ties to their past. There is a reason they remember more of it than their city elf cousins. I Think even Dalish hating posters agree because I've constantly seen "they are too obsessed with their past" as an accusation hurled at them. I didn't say City Elves have no ties to their past, I said they have significantly less than the Dalish elves. It is not a controversial opinion. The Dalish do have a stronger tie to their history because they remember more of it. I think even many city elves recognize that, given that we know that some of the venerate the Dalish.

 

The CEs, right now, are the elves actually being abused. They're the ones that suffer. The ones that live in poverty. The ones that are being raped at the whims of powerful human nobles.

 

Yes this is True. And? This has nothing to do with what I said.

 

Dalish culture is not based on defiance of human rule. They fetichize what they do as defying humans, but they defy them about as much as the CEs do. The only acts of defiance we've ever seen in-game is the murder of a few unarmed peasants and Zathrian's blood curse. We have stories about the Dalish raiding and butchering human caravans, but to say that this is somehow "standing up" to human rule is pretty silly. Their attempts aren't even at the level of "annoying insurrection".

 

Dalish culture is based on defiance to human rule. But I'm not suggesting that the Dalish by and large are actively rebelling against or fighting against humanity. They defy human rule based on the fact that they refused to become subjects of said racist and uncaring society that stripped their people of their power. They defy human rule by keeping the religion of their ancestors and being able to practice magic freely and otherwise live their lives in the way they themselves see fit. Most City Elves recognize how their best hopes for survival are by not antagonizing their oppressors. As such they have learned to tolerate much of the indignity they are forced to endure, without pushing back too hard.

 

A powerful and influential CE would actually be fighting real oppression. The Dalish don't live in the same opulence that wealthy humans live in, but to suggest that they have it rough compared to the CEs is an insult to what people undergo when they're stripped of power by a racist and uncaring society.

 

I went back to reread my post and am still baffled by where you think I did suggest that Dalish Elves (in general) have it as bad or worse than as City Elves. Because I said nothing of the sort.

 

I believe I've told people in the past who imagine their Player Character will be the one who finally frees the mages from oppression or reclaims the Dales for the Dalish that the game won't be about fighting whatever pet injustice is most on their mind. The same is true for any City Elf Inquisitor and the plight of the city elves.

[St. Victorious]

Regardless of all the arguments of CE vs Dalish, I'm pretty sure the reason was that the Dalish are more culturally distinct from humans. Simple.

[Sifr]

Regardless of all the arguments of CE vs Dalish, I'm pretty sure the reason was that the Dalish are more culturally distinct from humans. Simple.

 

Exactly, the Dalish are simply more distinct as Elves, rather than the City Elves who aside from the racism and second class citizen treatment, could be easily substituted for any other race in Thedas with very little difference whatsoever.

[dragondreamer]

Whatever spirits of the ether you're arguing with, they're not posting in this thread. Arguing that the Dalish are not paragons of virtue does not mean elevating the CEs. All I've said is that the CEs are far more the victims in the setting than the Dalish are, and otherwise reject the "closer connections to the past" reason for having a Dalish Inquisitor. 

 

Oh, so it's oppression olympics then.  Carry on. 

 

But every time I see someone cry imagined future acts of villainy by the Dalish, it just sounds like a lot of scaremongering of the scapegoat variety.  Especially when the only elf we've seen actively try to commit horrific acts in the name of preserving tradition was a City Elf.  Both the Dalish and the City Elves are generally insular.  Maybe some of the more reasonable of the two groups mixing it up a little would be good for them both. 

 

Spoiler

But Briala has the City Elves, which I think is in part to make sure the elven storyline moves wherever it may with or without an Inquisitor taking an active interest in them.  It also makes sure there's always an elven leader at the head of the rebellion.  That leaves the PC the considerably trickier business of dealing with the Dalish clans, from the sound of one of the recent articles.